Dec 11 - Noah's biblical flood actually happened, suggests new evidence

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 5 years ago '05        #61
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A tremendous change occurred with the industrial revolution: whereas it had taken all of human history until around 1800 for world population to reach one billion, the second billion was achieved in only 130 years (1930), the third billion in less than 30 years (1959), the fourth billion in 15 years (1974), and the fifth billion in only 13 years (1987). During the 20th century alone, the population in the world has grown from 1.65 billion to 6 billion.


Here's something very interesting about this.

The present rate of population increase in the world is more than two per cent per year, and the population is now over four billion. [This figure was correct when Dr. Morris wrote this. The figure is now much higher. — Creation Tips editor.] However, the average rate would only have to be one half of one per cent per year to produce the present world population in 4,300 years.

To put it another way, an average family size of only 2.5 children per family would suffice to develop the present population in just the length of time since Noah, even with an average life-span of only about 40 years per person. These figures are very reasonable, and in fact extremely conservative, showing that the Bible chronology is quite plausible in every way.
What the current world population shows, is that mankind could not have been here for hundreds of thousands of years at all. The population would already be in the trillions. It's in no ways far fetched that man could have went from a population of 8 (Noah, his 3 sons, and their wives) to the 7 billion we have today in a span of 4300 years.

Things to consider.
 5 years ago '12        #62
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 persuazion said:
Don't forget slavery..... The bible tells you everything you need to know about being a slavemaster. And the fact that people call it "The good book"
 5 years ago '12        #63
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What the current world population shows, is that mankind could not have been here for hundreds of thousands of years at all. The population would already be in the trillions. It's in no ways far fetched that man could have went from a population of 8 (Noah, his 3 sons, and their wives) to the 7 billion we have today in a span of 4300 years.

Things to consider.

That argument is genetically ridiculous.
 5 years ago '05        #64
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 Dos-effect said:
People heard Noah, Flood, True and just ran with it.......completley abandoing the actual thing that supposedly caused the flood.........that being the rain............
You have absolutely no idea what you are saying. See when you take someone's word for it instead of reading it yourself, it shows a lot.

Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
Gen 8:2 The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained;
One could easily a.ssume that majority of the water from the flood came from inside the earth. There's a tremendous amount of water still flowing up into the oceans from underneath it. Where does this water come from? Did you really hear it was only rain? Thats probably why you think it was only local.
 12-12-2012, 07:17 PM         #65
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 Games Addict said:
this doesn't prove anything

Floods happen all the time, and this certainly doesn't say anything about a world wide flood.
of course there was a worldwide flood, evidence is all over the world of the previous ice age glaciers melting and changing the layer of the lands. Sea levels rose all around the world, some places were left intact some were put 100s of feet under the ocean, and new locations popped up as a result of the rising sea levels. This is a natural phenomena that is a recurring cycle, one worrying thing is that currently our glaciers are melting rapidly, and the water gotta go somewhere. Imagine the fact that we are due another ice age type cataclysm around now and also that at any moment it could happen

All you gotta do is look a few hundred feat off of coasts for the evidence that this happened previously
 5 years ago '12        #66
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 m-f said:
it's not about the fairy tales, you simple minded fu*k.

I don't believe in the God Christians do, but when it comes to the Bible, you don't take the stories for fact, you take them to make yourself a better person, and learn about the meaning in life...

The Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth - GZA .. now fu*k outta here with some ignorance like that.
think about it.... look in the bible and u will find that God APPROVED of slavery, even says that you can pass them down to your children, sell them for 30 sheckles and EVEN says u can beat them, yes beat them, as long as you dont k!ll them!! wow. so what are we blacks mad about slavery for if GOD says its ok?? hell, the whites were doing what God said it was ok to do. right?? or answer this, God doesnt want to expose himself cuz he feels it will take away our free will to believe....why did he show the holes in his hand to thomas to PROVE he was real? why did he part the sea? why the burning bush? why the whole moses thing with the plagues and k!lling of first born and changing the staff into a snake to PROVE HE WAS REAL TO PHAROAH??? OH, he cant do any of that in these days now huh? it was only done when no one living then can tell about it now huh?

1. God good to all, or just a few?

PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.

JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.

2. Who is the father of Joseph?

MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.

3. Jesus' last words

MAT 27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

LUK 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

JOH 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

SHALL I CONTINUE??? SO WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES ABOUT SLAVERY? MAKING US A BETTER PERSON???
 5 years ago '05        #67
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 Ez the Don said:
It doesn't matter if you take it literally or allegorically, if you've actually read the bible and weren't disgusted by some of the stories (or "historical accounts" as Bible literalists would call them) then you honestly needa commit that.

And I'm being serious. If you cannot say that the Bible has some seriously immoral and downright destructive messages within, then society will be better off without you.

If you're not down with misogyny, genocide, racism, child abuse, etc. then you can't be down for the Bible as a whole.



And a theist calling atheists or agnostics "sheep-like" is too ridiculous to ridicule.
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i really dont feel like getting into this right now
 5 years ago '05        #68
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 Ez the Don said:
That argument is genetically ridiculous.
Actually no. It's genetically accurate. You see there's a reason why all men's Y chromosomes are similar.

It turns out that Y chromosomes are similar worldwide. According to the evolutionists, no “ancient” (i.e., highly mutated or highly divergent) Y chromosomes have been found.5 This serves as a bit of a puzzle to the evolutionist, and they have had to resort to calling for a higher “reproductive variance” among men than women, high rates of “gene conversion” in the Y chromosome, or perhaps a “selective sweep” that wiped out the other male lines.6 For the biblical model, it is a beautiful correlation and we can take it as is.

The evidence from mitochondrial DNA fits our model just as neatly as the Y chromosome data. As it turns out, there are three main mitochondrial DNA lineages found across the world. The evolutionists have labeled these lines “M”, “N”, and “R”, so we’ll refer to them by the same names. They would not say these came off the Ark. They claim they were derived from older lines found in Africa, but this is based on a suite of a.ssumptions (I discussed these in detail in a recent article in the Journal of Creation7). It also turns out that M, N, and R differ by only a few mutations. This gives us some indication of the amount of mutation that occurred in the generations prior to the Flood.


You have to really consider the story. If it weren't true, genetics would have easily falsified the story. Yet our genetics line up perfectly.
 5 years ago '04        #69
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 Nyse03 said:


Here's something very interesting about this.



What the current world population shows, is that mankind could not have been here for hundreds of thousands of years at all. The population would already be in the trillions. It's in no ways far fetched that man could have went from a population of 8 (Noah, his 3 sons, and their wives) to the 7 billion we have today in a span of 4300 years.

Things to consider.
this is not accurate. because this isnt accounting for the difference in lifestyle that took place during agriculture. this is a.ssuming a steady climb from the time of early man, negating the fact that there was high mortality in early man as compared to civilized man. plus with steady food sources due to agriculture, you could see a steady climb, as opposed to feasting heavily on moving herds and such which would have controlled population growth on its own, not to mention greater efficiency in birth too overtime. none of that sh*t validates anything. i wish ppl stopped trying.

in addition to this fu*kery, culture is something that also plays a big part in evolving man. rates fluctuate and people dont necessarily produce at rates similar to other species. for example, the us does not have a population control problem like say india does, places like great britain and japan actually have declining birth rates along with low mortality so their popuations are actually getting smaller and some of those things are culturally induced. there are far more factors than you are accounting for with that argument


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 12-12-2012, 07:31 PM         #70
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Maybe its the lost city of Atlantis...OH EM GEE!!!



People find some sh*t underwater and automatically try to say it's got sh*t to do with the Bible.

If you're a scientist, claiming your findings are of the Bible is the most contradictory thing you can do.


Do you people REALLY think there was an ark that could carry EVERY species of ANIMAL on this planet? Do you even take into account how many different animals would have to be accounted for? Do you take into account all the different types of one animal on different continents? Do you take into account how much time it takes for species to evolve and become what they look like now?

You dumbasses are the same people that pretty much think the world is only 10.000 years old.

This guy needs his a.ss beat and stripped of his title because he lost ALL credibility when he made this goofy a.ss suggestion.



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 5 years ago '04        #71
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 Nyse03 said:
Actually no. It's genetically accurate. You see there's a reason why all men's Y chromosomes are similar.




You have to really consider the story. If it weren't true, genetics would have easily falsified the story. Yet our genetics line up perfectly.
this sh*t is extremely inaccurate dude. dude the mDNA from 50 ppl across the globe was retroanalyzed to a coalease point of over 200000 years ago, around the time of the second migration out of africa. this sh*t you are posting is absurd. not to mention, we also know that people who moved east also mated with neanderthals, who are extinct btw, because in lineages that are NON AFRICAN as predicted, particularly in european and asian races, there is about 1-4 percent neanderthal dna. all of this demonstrates, amongst any other common sense evidence, that there was no noah and no worldwide flood
 12-12-2012, 07:33 PM         #72
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 Nyse03 said:
You have absolutely no idea what you are saying. See when you take someone's word for it instead of reading it yourself, it shows a lot.




One could easily a.ssume that majority of the water from the flood came from inside the earth. There's a tremendous amount of water still flowing up into the oceans from underneath it. Where does this water come from? Did you really hear it was only rain? Thats probably why you think it was only local.
Do you honestly think this article is proof of the story of Noah?.....
 5 years ago '10        #73
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 Nyse03 said:
Theres wayyyyyy more plausible evidence for a GLOBAL flood. The huge fossil record we have, seashells atop the highest mountains, pockets of oil and coal indicating massive plant and animal deaths, salt water lakes, the Grand Canyon, over 200 different accounts of a flood, layers of strata that appear to be rapidly laid down...and much muuuuuch more.

But the most plausible to me, is because Yah told my forefathers exactly what happened.

And to the uninformed dude talkin about it only rained 40 days and nights must be ignoring the part that said, "the fountains of the deep broke open." And you do know water from the fountains of the deep are still flowing. Where is all this water from UNDER the ocean coming from?
there are three distinct interpretations of the bible. The people who take it literally are classed in the lowest tier of the three....


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 5 years ago '12        #74
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 critiQue said:
u dont wanna get into a debate with me.. ill eat you alive b
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i really dont feel like getting into this right now

Don't cop out with silly gifs. Come with it or concede. Or just ignore my valid points, which is the same as conceding.


 Nyse03 said:
Actually no. It's genetically accurate. You see there's a reason why all men's Y chromosomes are similar.




You have to really consider the story. If it weren't true, genetics would have easily falsified the story. Yet our genetics line up perfectly.
I was gonna respond to this laughable argument and your citing of your Young Earth Creationists articles (not scientific by any means, btw), but dude below did it already.

 jplaydadon said:
this sh*t is extremely inaccurate dude. dude the mDNA from 50 ppl across the globe was retroanalyzed to a coalease point of over 200000 years ago, around the time of the second migration out of africa. this sh*t you are posting is absurd. not to mention, we also know that people who moved east also mated with neanderthals, who are extinct btw, because in lineages that are NON AFRICAN as predicted, particularly in european and asian races, there is about 1-4 percent neanderthal dna. all of this demonstrates, amongst any other common sense evidence, that there was no noah and no worldwide flood
 5 years ago '05        #75
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 jplaydadon said:
this is not accurate. because this isnt accounting for the difference in lifestyle that took place during agriculture. this is a.ssuming a steady climb from the time of early man, negating the fact that there was high mortality in early man as compared to civilized man. plus with steady food sources due to agriculture, you could see a steady climb, as opposed to feasting heavily on moving herds and such which would have controlled population growth on its own, not to mention greater efficiency in birth too overtime. none of that sh*t validates anything. i wish ppl stopped trying.

in addition to this fu*kery, culture is something that also plays a big part in evolving man. rates fluctuate and people dont necessarily produce at rates similar to other species. for example, the us does not have a population control problem like say india does, places like great britain and japan actually have declining birth rates along with low mortality so their popuations are actually getting smaller and some of those things are culturally induced. there are far more factors than you are accounting for with that argument
You are a.ssuming early man was primitive because of your preconceived notion towards evolution. You ignore things like ancient writings, pyramids, astronomers, etc. that say otherwise. Where's your evidence that the mortality rate was so drastically high? Why do you a.ssume all of early man were nomadic? And why do you a.ssume they weren't very skilled in delivering children (ancient Egypt says otherwise).
 5 years ago '05        #76
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 Dos-effect said:
Do you honestly think this article is proof of the story of Noah?.....
To be honest bro...absolutely not. It's kinda misleading to me. Theres way more evidence than this sad attempt. But hey it sparked a good debate so it's cool.
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 slimdogg3325 said:
people still dispute this?
so you're saying you all knew it came from melting ice and not non-stop showers as the bible said?
 5 years ago '12        #78
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 Nyse03 said:
You are a.ssuming early man was primitive because of your preconceived notion towards evolution. You ignore things like ancient writings, pyramids, astronomers, etc. that say otherwise. Where's your evidence that the mortality rate was so drastically high? Why do you a.ssume all of early man were nomadic? And why do you a.ssume they weren't very skilled in delivering children (ancient Egypt says otherwise).
The time of Ancient Egyptians and the time of Early Man are two COMPLETELY different eras. Unless of course you believe the earth is only 6,000 yrs old and that ALL Geologists and Biologists are just making up their findings to defy God and do the devil's work.
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 Alixix said:
there are three distinct interpretations of the bible. The people who take it literally are classed in the lowest tier of the three....
By who? You? Thats okay with me. Doesn't change anything. At least the other brothers are replying with actual information.
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 Ez the Don said:
The time of Ancient Egyptians and the time of Early Man are two COMPLETELY different eras. Unless of course you believe the earth is only 6,000 yrs old and that ALL Geologists and Biologists are just making up their findings to defy God and do the devil's work.
Why do you a.ssume "ALL" geologists and biologist say the world is billions of years old? Thats just what they teach you in public institutions. "ALL" though...wow you reached kinda hard with that one.
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