I thought wii U was next gen? Wii U Memory Bandwidth: 17.5GB/s...360: 22.4 GB/s PS3: 22.6 GB/s

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 6 years ago '08        #1
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Arson 84 heat pts84
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I thought wii U was next gen? Wii U Memory Bandwidth: 17.5GB/s...360: 22.4 GB/s PS3: 22.6 GB/s
 

 
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PCPer did a teardown. Great stuff... they actually read off the RAM chip (SMRT!). There's only 4 chips.

Samsung K4W4G1646B -> DDR3 4Gbit, 1.5V, 800/933/1066 speed bins -> I'm pretty sure that means "DDR3-1600/1866/2133" data rate.

256Mx16 would imply 16-bit I/O per DRAM... So... 17GB/s at most for main memory bandwidth. They didn't mention the rest of the numbers on the DRAM, but they ought to have high res photos later.

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 Beyond3D Forum - View Single Post - B3D: A speculative look on the Wii U GPU


Comparison:

360: 22.4 GB/s + eDRAM for framebuffer
PS3: 25.6 GB/s main memory BW + 22.4 GB/s graphics memory BW, no eDRAM

GTX 680: 192.2 GB/s :P

you can watch them open up the system here

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sh-t is the bare minimum of current gen

117 comments for "I thought wii U was next gen? Wii U Memory Bandwidth: 17.5GB/s...360: 22.4 GB/s PS3: 22.6 GB/s"

 6 years ago '06        #2
Soraci7 34 heat pts34
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Substance wise it's a current gen console. It's 2012, they needed an HD system.

There's nothing next gen about it besides it being Nintendo's main console on the market when the 720 and PS4 release in the coming years. By the time they do, Wii U will seem like a dated thing of the past like the PS3 and 360 and people will put it back in that class where it belongs.

I'll give it to them though, they've mastered the art of gimmicks and blowing smoke up people's a.sses with their branding now that they've show up to the game 6-7 years into the cycle.

If it was a real next gen console, I'd be owning one. Just a bunch of knee jerking around here really.


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 6 years ago '09        #3
Acid Rap 78 heat pts78
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This sh*t is like the Diet Coke of next gen.
 6 years ago '04        #4
One-O-One 14 heat pts14
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It all about how you personally define "next-gen". I believe next-gen is defined by not only graphical power but also technological innovation.

Wii is weaker than Xbox360/PS3 power-wise, but its innovation revolutionized the videogame industry.

WiiU will be weaker than Xbox720/PS4, but its innovation that drives the system, not horsepower.
 6 years ago '04        #5
KURUPTION!!! 541 heat pts541
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 Soraci7 said:
Substance wise it's a current gen console. It's 2012, they needed an HD system.

There's nothing next gen about it besides it being Nintendo's main console on the market when the 720 and PS4 release in the coming years. By the time they do, Wii U will seem like a dated thing of the past like the PS3 and 360 and people will put it back in that class where it belongs.

I'll give it to them though, they've mastered the art of gimmicks and blowing smoke up people's a.sses with their branding now that they've show up to the game 6-7 years into the cycle.

If it was a real next gen console, I'd be owning one. Just a bunch of knee jerking around here really.
 6 years ago '04        #6
K1 68 heat pts68
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I think this has been known wiiu ram speeds are slower but slower ram means sh*t in consoles.

2 GB ram > 512 MB ram any way you look at it.

The U is next-gen its a system that is capable of running games in 1080p @ 60fps while streaming content to a tablet controller with no hiccups, no other console can state that as of now.

Ubisoft already let it slip that a next gen title that nobody expected from a major developer is coming to the Wii U next year and they said it will "shock you" when you see what it is. They seem to know what they are talking about. They have been boasting about the Wii U's power for months and months.


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 6 years ago '07        #7
TH35 105 heat pts105
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Its next gen for the Nintendo Arson. /thread
 6 years ago '07        #8
TH35 105 heat pts105
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I will say though given the price it's probably not worth it (right now)... if its for yourself. As a gift though its whatever .
 6 years ago '08        #9
Arson 84 heat pts84 OP
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 TH35 said:
Its next gen for the Nintendo Arson. /thread
true but there are two definitions of next gen(next generation of graphics and next generation for the manufacturer, and my definition of next gen is specific to horsepower. Every time I've ever even said the word next gen its been in reference to power. When I say "I can't wait for next gen" it aint because I can't wait for sony's next entry to home console gaming, its because I can't wait for dem graphics


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 6 years ago '08        #10
Arson 84 heat pts84 OP
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 Higgins said:
Get a pc if you care about graphics. And you should read One-O-One and K1Entertainments posts
already have one but we already know devs target console so weak console hardware isnt just bad for console gamers its bad for pc too. 1080p 60fps is great and all but I want more. And 2012 hardware meeting 2005 standards is unacceptable
 6 years ago '04        #11
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Still coppin...
 6 years ago '04        #12
TheProtege9020 55 heat pts55
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Look at what Nintendo did with Mario Galaxy, Metriod Prime 3, DKC, and Zelda on the weak Wii. Those all looked very good. Now just imagine what the can do now. Im not worried about how the gfx will look. They will look just fine.
 6 years ago '04        #13
One-O-One 14 heat pts14
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 Arson said:
already have one but we already know devs target console so weak console hardware isnt just bad for console gamers its bad for pc too. 1080p 60fps is great and all but I want more. And 2012 hardware meeting 2005 standards is unacceptable
Again.. next-gen = a leap graphics AND/OR innovation

Nintendo can come out with another 8-bit system low-res as hell, but if it somehow revolutionizes how we play videogames (like Nintendo Wii) then its next generation.
 6 years ago '07        #14
r.burgundy 16 heat pts16
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 One-O-One said:
It all about how you personally define "next-gen". I believe next-gen is defined by not only graphical power but also technological innovation.

Wii is weaker than Xbox360/PS3 power-wise, but its innovation revolutionized the videogame industry.

WiiU will be weaker than Xbox720/PS4, but its innovation that drives the system, not horsepower.
innovation in this case is a fancy word for bad gimmick
 6 years ago '05        #15
kaseemromani 41 heat pts41
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Without knowing more about the eDRAM, this bit of information is moot.



Think of how Intel CPU's are clocked slower than AMD CPU's yet are still more powerful. You can't judge based on just 1 number. You really need to see the overall design and all the numbers to truly understand how powerful a system is.
 6 years ago '04        #16
One-O-One 14 heat pts14
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 r.burgundy said:
innovation in this case is a fancy word for bad gimmick

Considering their track record for real innovation in the videogame industry, i wouldn't count Nintendo out one bit.



Im not copping a WiiU, but im watching.
 11-18-2012, 09:59 AM         #17
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 One-O-One said:
It all about how you personally define "next-gen". I believe next-gen is defined by not only graphical power but also technological innovation.

Wii is weaker than Xbox360/PS3 power-wise, but its innovation revolutionized the videogame industry.

WiiU will be weaker than Xbox720/PS4, but its innovation that drives the system, not horsepower.
you can define next gen as the amount of tomatoes you buy on thursdays, it's irrelevant. there's one definition. it's the next set of consoles. period. that's what it is. technology wise, for the most part, it's basically last gen....but it IS "next gen" (or this gen now) period.


at the guy who said "two types, next gen of graphics". so when the PS4 etc comes out, that will be last gen? because it's not going to be better than PC graphics much like PS3, 360, and every other console ever wasn't. so there's only ever been one gen basically? and if graphics were what would matter, there would be like 50 PC gens....there isn't.
 6 years ago '11        #18
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 One Gud Cide said:
you can define next gen as the amount of tomatoes you buy on thursdays, it's irrelevant. there's one definition. it's the next set of consoles. period. that's what it is. technology wise, for the most part, it's basically last gen....but it IS "next gen" (or this gen now) period.


at the guy who said "two types, next gen of graphics". so when the PS4 etc comes out, that will be last gen? because it's not going to be better than PC graphics much like PS3, 360, and every other console ever wasn't. so there's only ever been one gen basically? and if graphics were what would matter, there would be like 50 PC gens....there isn't.
this n*gga hit it on the head
 6 years ago '12        #19
ThePainkiller 356 heat pts356
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jokes on you
 6 years ago '08        #20
Arson 84 heat pts84 OP
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 One Gud Cide said:

at the guy who said "two types, next gen of graphics". so when the PS4 etc comes out, that will be last gen? because it's not going to be better than PC graphics much like PS3, 360, and every other console ever wasn't. so there's only ever been one gen basically? and if graphics were what would matter, there would be like 50 PC gens....there isn't.
it goes without saying that pc isn't apart of all this next gen/last gen/current gen talk so why even bring it up. There's not a 5+ year gap between new hardware like in the console space.
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