Juvenile Talks Leaving Cash Money, How Ice Cube Helped Him, and Claims Lil Wayne Got Ripped Off

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Juvenile Talks Leaving Cash Money, How Ice Cube Helped Him, and Claims Lil Wayne Got Ripped Off
 

 

There have been many interesting collaborations this year but one that caught us off guard was Juvenile teaming up with Lil Wayne and Birdman for "Picture Perfect." To casual fans, this probably seemed like a good lookóa reunion of sorts between three of the original Cash Money Millionaires. But it seemed strange to us because just a few weeks before dropping the song, Juvenile was in the Complex offices talking about his last days at Cash Money.

Although our conversation was supposed mostly about his 25 Essential Songs, we wandered off to a topic that Juve clearly still has very strong feelings about: Cash Money. Although he wasn't angry, Juvenile had plenty of venting to do about how and why he left his label.

His main gripe was that the label refused to pay him what he felt he was owed as a major part of its rise. He also talked about how Ice Cube did him a huge favor in the midst of the drama, found time to dish out advice to younger artists, and revealed that he suspects Lil Wayne isn't getting all of the money he's entitled to.

As told to Insanul Ahmed (@Incilin)
Leaving Cash Money

ďMy reason [to leave Cash Money] is the same reason most artists leave their labelómoney. The music business is like the sports business. We use entertainment agents, entertainment lawyers. The only difference is they play sports. We all try to operate a certain way.

ďWhen you put in that much work, you should be compensated for it. Iím number one on this station, number one on that station so I checked the contracts and went back over the paperwork. I was naÔve in the beginning, I didnít want anybody telling me anything because, hey, you didnít help me get this situation and youíre on the outside. I shouldíve listened because they had me in a contract that Iíd still be in. There was no future for me in the contract.


When I left Cash Money, I left not liking anybody. Iím trying to show y'all where y'all getting ripped out of your money at. Itís all love now. They come to me now, even Mannie Fresh, and heís like, ĎMan, you told me. You tried to tell me.í


ďSo I went, ĎWell, damn. Iím working like a slave and Iím getting nothing.í So I got an entertainment lawyer and found out Cash Money werenít who they said they were with me. One thing led to another and I said, ĎPay me this and weíre coolí. They ainít pay us and we went to court. They lost in court. Simple as that.

ďI wanted $4 million. I didnít want to go to trial, but they felt like they didnít owe me anything. That $4 million wound up going to $11 million. Of course I didnít get all with court fees and lawyer fees, but it put me through the ringer where I didnít want to do anymore business again.

ďI had to do all that to get money that I earned. I kind of paved the way for all that you got going on right now. If you were gonna pay anybody, me and Mannie should be the first two people the check was cut to. Mannie is still trying to get his money right now, itís crazy.

ďWhatís crazy is I got I wise to it and I tried to be a good Samaritan to my group and warn them. ĎHey man, my paperwork not right. Didnít y'all receive the paperwork? What kind of lawyer do you have?í They was like, ĎYeah, I got a lawyer.í Iím like, ĎDo you have an entertainment lawyer [or a criminal lawyer]? Thereís a big difference. Criminal lawyers donít know sh-t about contracts. You might wanna get a real lawyer and backtrack.í

ďOne thing lead to another and somebody repeated what I said because at the time I was the number one person on the label. I guess they wanted to be the number ones. They went back and told [Baby and Slim] everything I said, so that made it even worse. They ainít want me around no more.

ďWhen I left Cash Money, I left not liking anybody. I tried to be good to yaíll and yaíll telling motherfu-kers what I said. Iím trying to show y'all where y'all getting ripped out of your money at. Itís all love now. They come to me now, even Mannie Fresh, and heís like, ĎMan, you told me. You tried to tell me.í

ďAfter I beat them, B.G. pops up, then Mannie pops up and Iím like, ĎOh, now you wanna see my case files?í Iím like thatís cool. This case went on for three years, where were yaíll? I didnít get a phone call. Nobody checked to see if I was okay. Three years of no shows, no nothing. Three years. Iím not saying they owe me anything, but donít expect me to help you out when youíre part of the reason Iím gone. And youíre not who you said you were.

ďWe had made a vow to each that no matter what happens we were gonna stick together, because we didnít have a record company. We donít own a company, so if a finger is going to be pointed, it ainít going be pointed at us because it ainít our fault.Ē

Why Did Lil Wayne Stay?

ďWhen Wayne was trying to leave Cash Money [in the mid 2000s], same thing. He was trying to find out how did I leave, what did I do, he wanted to see my paperwork. I was like you can see it, but youíre gonna have to pay me for it now because now I know you ainít with me. Youíre own your own because Iím definitely on my own. If you want the paperwork and help from my end, I need to be compensated for it. [He never paid for it].

ďStill up to the day, Wayne really got beat out of all his money and took another contract. Thatís part I never understood. I was signed to Atlantic and Jay-Z was excited about that because now we was about to get our own money. Thatís what I really wanted. I wanted him to leave. All of a sudden he signed back Iím like, ĎDamn, what type of deal he got working?í

ďIf you notice the Young Money/Cash Money imprint, some of the stuff that need to say Young Money donít say Young Money. I know Baby and I know Ronald ["Slim" Williams]. They ainít giving up power of their company. They donít care how big Wayne gets, they not giving up. If I didnít getting it, he ainít getting it.


If you notice the Young Money/Cash Money imprint, some of the stuff that need to say Young Money donít say Young Money. I know Baby and I know Ronald. They ainít giving up power of their company. They donít care how big Wayne gets, they not giving up. If I didnít get it, he ainít getting it.


ď[Tha Carter III] album did great. But I donít think Wayne collected a dime on royalty side. I donít think heís gonna be able to because some of the cats he was dealing with wasnít doing straight business on the producer side. Youíre under the impression that the guy you got the beat from was the guy who made the beat. It was situations like that that Wayne got caught in.

ďItís all backfiring on him because you got other cats who made these tracks who stepped in and said, ĎI made that.í It happened with the Deezle record. It happened with three of his songs off that album. Everything is on a standstill because of that.

ďI thought he was scared [thatís why he stayed]. Thatís how I took it. I was like, ĎYou donít have to be scared.í Iím really from the projects. No disrespect to them, but Iím 10 times more street than they are. They would never go to some of the places Iíd go, theyíd never turn some of the corners I turned because theyíre not like that. Itís two different ballgames.

ďSo Iím like, ĎDonít let them n*ggas intimidate you. Donít let that looking hard sh-t intimidate you because n*gga Iím really with it. If you wanna leave, leave. Youíre with me now, not them.í One thing led to another and he signed back, but I took it as he was scared.Ē

ďWayne is doing good right now, but if you go off of capital and off of who made the most money, he still ainít top my numbers yet off one album. Heís still doing good, but he still never topped my numbers. If you go off of who could benefit most at the end of the day, in my book I feel like Iíve lost everything. They won. These n*ggas ate off the house I built.

ďI ainít mad about it, Iím gonna build me another house. But donít make it look like I was the bad guy. Donít make it look like Juve came here and said, ĎAh man, Iím leaving.í The situation will always be, Ďfu-k you. Pay me.íĒ


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 11-03-2012, 02:40 PM         #2
Mwana Ya Lola 
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Interesting.
 5 years ago '08        #3
CarmeloStarks 93 heat pts93
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Juve is probably one of my favorite rappers & I still remember my aunt from the NO giving me her copy of "Soulja rags". It's sad to see Baby do all that because that "Picture perfect" record just teased us with a potential Hot Boy reunion
 5 years ago '08        #4
T2THEONE 859 heat pts859
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Good Read

I'm sure they will bring Turk back on the team since he's out now
 5 years ago '06        #5
Icee 33 heat pts33
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Old NEWS. Everyone already knows this about "Baby" and "Slim."


RIGHT?
 5 years ago '11        #6
Radio Raheem 14 heat pts14
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that explains why bangladesh wasnt gettin paid for the songs he produced and all those producers sued wayne for that lollipop song
 5 years ago '11        #7
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Lil Wayne
Juvenile
BG
Mannie Fresh
Turk
TQ
Bangladesh
Play n skillz

All these cats have had issues with cash money yet they come back to them....it's crazy
 5 years ago '05        #8
TattooedMPsz 50 heat pts50
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good read
 5 years ago '09        #9
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Juvenile I feel your pain


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 5 years ago '07        #10
Playa 70 heat pts70
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Yea Cash Money seems like death Row reincarnated on the business side.
 5 years ago '04        #11
King Kusanagi 36 heat pts36
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Good Read Indeed..

you live & you learn
 5 years ago '11        #12
Dray 1187 heat pts1187
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That was a amazing read..
 5 years ago '07        #13
cankstoochie 48 heat pts48
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baby and sugar slim got the mind state of suge knight
 5 years ago '12        #14
Zoo Blocc Savage 91 heat pts91
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Y'all remember when juve went back in like 2005 why?
 5 years ago '10        #15
Fly Elroy 321 heat pts321
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of course cash money be snaking n*ggas out their money. how you think birdman can afford a platinum football field?

that was kinda lame for them to tell on juve when he was just trying to put them up on game

but where in this article did it say anything about ice cube?
 5 years ago '12        #16
Zoo Blocc Savage 91 heat pts91
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 Moony Jackson said:
of course cash money be snaking n*ggas out their money. how you think birdman can afford a platinum football field?

that was kinda lame for them to tell on juve when he was just trying to put them up on game

but where in this article did it say anything about ice cube?
Click the link And on the second link he mentions it
 5 years ago '08        #17
CarmeloStarks 93 heat pts93
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 SavageMitten said:
Y'all remember when juve went back in like 2005 why?
They paid him for the project up front if i remember correctly....
 5 years ago '11        #18
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 SavageMitten said:
Y'all remember when juve went back in like 2005 why?
He got paid like 2-4 million (could be more) to come back for one album
 5 years ago '11        #19
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dam juvie got 11 million by them being cheap and not paying him before the court case (he most likely earned/deserved more then 11..)
 5 years ago '06        #20
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