Why do sample-based producers get more credit?

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 5 years ago '09        #61
thegoldenhero 3 heat pts
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 Damagegadget said:
thats pete rock B only dude I heard say somethin..and he is notoriously a batch... dude tried to hate on mad villain cause they was callin madlib a better producer than he was
Madlib that dude
 5 years ago '04        #62
pocketchange 149 heat pts149
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I mean I got much respect to anyone who can build everything from the ground up, but if they can't make something that people want to hear then that's as far as it goes. I'll give them their technical respect. The only thing that matter is the record catching and becoming a hit.
 5 years ago '05        #63
OG T Gutta N|M 9 heat pts
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 Damagegadget said:
cant normally you have good reasoning and knowledge... but you know you can chop samples up too right? People think sampling is all looping and isht..


do you make beats?

and these ninjas again are not composing symphony's they are generally using the same cords... but while we here lets take a look at vids...post a non sample producer and Ill post some jeremy ellis isht



real easy right

things are what ya make them..I used to joke people for writing in notes in fruity loops..but it is not easy to make beats that sound good in any fashion..

furthermore lets define composition

1. the act of combining parts or elements to form a whole.
2. the resulting state or product.
3. manner of being composed; structure: This painting has an orderly composition.
4. makeup; constitution: His moral composition was impeccable.
5. an aggregate material formed from two or more substances: a composition of silver and tin.



/threadly
For about 3 months Already spoke on that from the get go though.

It takes more skill to compose music from scratch , than using chops of music that contain various melodies , sounds , that otherwise , would take the producer , 2 tracks to produce ( your original , then sampling ).
Not to mention , even as you post Jeremy Ellis , you don't think a maschine makes sampling even more easy? Hell , using a DAW would be harder to get that combination of chops. At the end of the day , whether its' a chop or loop , it contains a mixture of instruments , producing a sound that other wise , would take additional skill to make.

When you consider the ability it takes to even find a nice chop , or loop , have you recognize the variation of instruments it took just to get that certain sound.

How many sample producers , make their own? Casino Clams finds a dope sample in reverse , and now he has a beat. Can he produce the ambient sounds using pads , and synths? Probably not.


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 5 years ago '05        #64
Martel 18 heat pts18 OP
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jeremy ellis seems cool but i doubt anything he does is more impressive than what ryan leslie does.. somebody posted a video of his earlier in the thread that sh*ts all over that maschine video
 5 years ago '04        #65
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Seriously, we could ponder on what's ethical or not all day, but the masses of people who are consuming this music do not care about the complexities of music.

You guys think everyone who's buying those iPhone's know the technical side of engineering one?

Like the one guy said, you have to make music that's affordable. Just like Apple made the personal computer affordable. If an artist actually had to pay to have a track engineered from scratch that would cost him a lot of money. Instead of doing that, they are now treating these "bedroom producers" like the low wage Chinese works.

Technology is suppose to make life easier.


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 5 years ago '10        #66
TheMindOf 21 heat pts21
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Because their beats don't suck.

And they don't ALL sound the same (for the most part)


Heard on Lex Luger beat, heard them all. Same with Young Chop.
 5 years ago '11        #67
Sinamatik CFR 6 heat pts
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I do both,

I got a great respect for those who make trap beats as well as sample heavy cats...

Sampling ain't as easy as some think, just to be able to manipulate a track that has already been created and make it ya own, looped, chopped, whateva takes more talent than most would think. It's a lot of work that goes into that. It takes time finding the loop, chopping if it's needed, tempo/time alterations, pitch changing, and etc... its not just no OK slice a loop, lay some drums and hats and its a wrap type thing.

Sampling brings out the mad scientist in a truly skilled cat, sometimes the original song is obvious, other times its not, it still doesn't mean one is better than the others because if ya finished product is weak, its weak, regardless of.the approach, n*ggas who produce/make beats/whateva should feel me. Once again this is Hip-Hop, it ain't no holy grail of a formula when it comes to making it, I also MC sometimes I might do a traditional 16 with an 8 bar hook, others I might go 24 and no hook with a 2 bar breather and back to another verse, or 32 bars an be out.

Bottom line, this sh*t is about expression, regardless of content, my beats cone in the mood I'm in, sometimes I be on some chill sh*t, most times rugged by preference, sometimes I get bored with sampling and go str8 from scratch. When you format yaself, you limiting yaself in a game where possibilities are endless... Of course any artist should find their signature sound, but that doesn't mean everything you do should remain in that box, you lay ya foundation and build on it based on ya own individual direction regardless of ya inspirations and motivationas.

I done made beats based off samples from video games to the illest of movie Scorsese, from progressive rock, to fu*kin Russian joints, soul to orchestral sh*t. Because I know and understand the only limitations one has is the one he places on himself.

My link in my sig is my beat page, a nice amount of quick mixes that get my point across from am instrumental side of things... and I only been doing this for two years, but my sh*t don't come off as lame by far.

SALUTE to all the talent on thus board, its a lot of underrated producers and MC's here as a whol that deserve support and y'all got mines to the fullest, PEACE!
 5 years ago '07        #68
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I still say it would be dope to have more hip hop bands that compose original music complete with various vocalists. It would be crazy to hear something, think about what sample was used and then find out it's all original.
 5 years ago '11        #69
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 Nyuzi said:
I still say it would be dope to have more hip hop bands that compose original music complete with various vocalists. It would be crazy to hear something, think about what sample was used and then find out it's all original.
I know cormega did it with "Raw Forever " and Elzhi dis it with "elmatic" both using live bands... not sure who omegas was interpolated by but I know Elzhis was done by Will Sessions...
 5 years ago '12        #70
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heres why martel, when u sample people have a certain expectation of you to use that sample to a great ability, it makes for great discussion too, comparing the original to the sampled version. they dont get more credit, just more attention
 5 years ago '11        #71
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 DreamChasers said:
heres why martel, when u sample people have a certain expectation of you to use that sample to a great ability, it makes for great discussion too, comparing the original to the sampled version. they dont get more credit, just more attention
Agreed 100%, its not the fact it was sampled, but how ill it was flipped... the same praise would be garnered for an original beat that was able to.
be distinguished from the traditional sound of a random trap styled beat...

Its not the fact its sampled vs original, but how much of a "wow factor" it provided vs the generic cookie cutter overabundance...
 5 years ago '12        #72
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 Martel said:
i produce, sampling is easy



It's way easier to steal a style like the Sonny Digital's, and Young Chop's of the world than it is to actually flip a sound to make it your own. Young Chop literally uses the same snare on every track. Using arps and throwing on 808's gets no credit from me. Not to say that some of it isn't dope, sampling is just way more of an intricate process.
 5 years ago '11        #73
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a lot of these so call non sampling producers t/s stated in his post,actually do use samples. They are using samples from loop packs. Any producers that post here can recognize the loops. They are just not soul sample chops. Every hiphop producer samples.
 5 years ago '05        #74
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 JonNYBlake said:



It's way easier to steal a style like the Sonny Digital's, and Young Chop's of the world than it is to actually flip a sound to make it your own. Young Chop literally uses the same snare on every track. Using arps and throwing on 808's gets no credit from me. Not to say that some of it isn't dope, sampling is just way more of an intricate process.
9th wonder used to use the same snare. Sonny Digital beats are full and not easy to copy. He has more than one style. I would love to see somebody remake Birthday or


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I'm not the biggest Young Chop fan but at least he tries he comes up with his own sh*t. Young Chop knows his way around a keyboard.


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idk how y'all can say sampling is more intricate. I would love to hear you sample-based producers sampled beats then beats with 0 samples.
 11-02-2012, 02:21 AM         #75
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Sampling easy as hell to do. Whats so hard about looping a sample and throwing your own lil drums and etc to it?

Yall bois really hate these trap producers though. Hahaaaa
 5 years ago '11        #76
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the argument that what mike will and madlib do is the same because they are both technically sampling is stupid.

mike will has no original song to take a loop from. everything that goes into a song is his creation. which to someone who doesn't make rap beats that seems way harder. if i had a loop from an old song i liked i would have an easy start.
 5 years ago '11        #77
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 Damagegadget said:
I mean isht half these fruity loop cats write in the notes anyways..they are not playing out the sounds so...


some people will never get it though...mainly those who can't sample..or do not make beats...all who don't sample and/or make beats in here

raise your hand




















now sit down and stfu do not speak on what you do not have experience in :chucklol


secondly if your not playin the instrument...your still playin a sample
 5 years ago '05        #78
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 ChiCity Fingaz said:
People who say sampling is easy are dumb as sh*t. Sampling is more than just cutting a loop out of a song. It's the process of actually finding a record, chopping a part out, and sequencing as the backbone of a beat. Producers filter the sh*t out of a sample a lot too.

Sampling isn't more difficult than original production though. I would say both are equally tough, but sampling definitely isn't easy
idk man. with DAW's these days there's sh*t that chops it up automatically and everything. that's the only thing I could say was time consuming but that's about as time consuming as picking a right sound. maybe it's cause ive been doing this for 5+ years but the sh*t doesn't take any time for me.

 Walkerboy86 said:
Sampling easy as hell to do. Whats so hard about looping a sample and throwing your own lil drums and etc to it?

Yall bois really hate these trap producers though. Hahaaaa
some of em do seem to be against trap producers hard. i want to hear these guys unsampled vs sampled beats. Guys like Harry Frauds unsampled beats are terrible. I know trap producers that can sample pretty easily but I don't know too many sample based producers who can move onto all original beats.
 5 years ago '11        #79
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I wanna hear one of y'all make a beat using a sample since its so easy...


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 5 years ago '04        #80
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 dejordan said:
the argument that what mike will and madlib do is the same because they are both technically sampling is stupid.

mike will has no original song to take a loop from. everything that goes into a song is his creation. which to someone who doesn't make rap beats that seems way harder. if i had a loop from an old song i liked i would have an easy start.
Man, if you think you can just make hit after hit after hit just looping then go ahead, what's holding you back?


Boxden just had a beat battle and everyone flipped the sample differently. You're acting like there is no competition when you are flipping samples. The competition is heavy and producers know this.

What are we really getting at here? Are we focused on what the listener like? Most of the consumers are ignorant to the technicalities if they weren't then we'd see a spike in good music but then the bar would only be raised higher, but for a short period of time we'd see a moment where the music people are making is considered good.

So, if this is just a conversation between producers, what do you mean you'll have an "easy start"? Every producer would know your a.ss just looped the sample. Which any skilled producer can do, but the listener doesn't know that.

The producers with the ears will see you aren't doing much, but to a listener you're Mozart.


Last edited by pocketchange; 11-02-2012 at 09:30 AM..
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