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 11-01-2012, 10:16 AM         #21
the synthesis 
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I always find it funny people complaining about samples, this isnt rock and roll, this isnt jazz, this isnt classical, this is Hip Hop, nobody cares about ur gripes with sampling, as long as it sounds good, why the fu*k wud u care if a producer has used a sample, it boils down to the finished song

people try to be complicated for no reason, if u dont like it go listen to some fu*kin rock or country music, u cant change hip hop, sampling is a foundation, always will be, weather it is loop or a chop or a replayed...

stop crying u gay bi*ches , lifes to short, enjoy the music, stop being a bi*ch
 6 years ago '05        #22
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 the synthesis said:
I always find it funny people complaining about samples, this isnt rock and roll, this isnt jazz, this isnt classical, this is Hip Hop, nobody cares about ur gripes with sampling, as long as it sounds good, why the fu*k wud u care if a producer has used a sample, it boils down to the finished song

people try to be complicated for no reason, if u dont like it go listen to some fu*kin rock or country music, u cant change hip hop, sampling is a foundation, always will be, weather it is loop or a chop or a replayed...

stop crying u gay bi*ches , lifes to short, enjoy the music, stop being a bi*ch
lol, harsh and tough words but......


President Obama approves this message lol.
 6 years ago '04        #23
pocketchange 160 heat pts160
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 ronin said:
naw it's not only Pete Rock getting mad, he's just more recent and did it to Lupe which no one understood because it's fu*king Lupe, n*ggas usually be happy Lupe took a beat, but any-hoo

the anonymity of sampling isn't like it was back in the 90's, example, the n*gga ?uestlove said he put together an entire team of individuals to search and dig records all day just to find out which samples J-Dilla used, not so he could tell the world but just for his own piece of mind and knowledge.

J-Dilla was a sampling kat, HEAVY, but how and what he sampled was done in a way that you either had to be there or know the cut's he was sampling to ID em, now n*gga's got an entire site to exposing the sample you used. is it good or bad??? it's both, but DJ Premo touched on it on "The Owners" lp where he talks about n*ggas snitching and revealing what he was sampling.

it's all pre-madonna sh*t really.
It's crazy, sampling keep evolving and I like it. And I like the fact that producers try to get away with the samples.

People say sampling is dying and that's ridiculous. Whether you have the funds to do it or not you can still do it. I say rappers who are already on have the most to lose because the worst thing that can happen is they don't get a sample cleared.

People underground don't have to worry about much, it cost money just to go to court and sue. The artist really have to be up on their sh*t if these artist are using their music.
 6 years ago '05        #24
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 pocketchange said:
It's crazy, sampling keep evolving and I like it. And I like the fact that producers try to get away with the samples.

People say sampling is dying and that's ridiculous. Whether you have the funds to do it or not you can still do it. I say rappers who are already on have the most to lose because the worst thing that can happen is they don't get a sample cleared.

People underground don't have to worry about much, it cost money just to go to court and sue. The artist really have to be up on their sh*t if these artist are using their music.
I feel you
 6 years ago '11        #25
VicDutch 122 heat pts122
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Premier's the best producer.. forever.. period..

Top Producers of all time:
Premo
Timbo
Pete Rock
Dre
Alchemist

yeah, i said it. get mad.

2 producers that play or get instruments played.. Kanye & Ryan Leslie... Leslie's actually a beast, and pretty talented..


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 11-01-2012, 10:52 AM         #26
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 Vin Steezel said:
has Martel heard ANY of the rap in the past 3 or 4 years?















































ANYWAY, MADLIB>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Any living producer
I can somewhat dig it
 6 years ago '07        #27
Damagegadget 493 heat pts493
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funny thing too is a lot of these producers have instruments..they might actually play out songs and resample what they played... bottom line...if you not playing the actual instrument its all electronic based production so STFU

 6 years ago '07        #28
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 the synthesis said:
the greatest rap albums have samples

composed beats are cool, but they sound lifeless synty
sampling is composition btw.. i mean unless you just str8 loopin and rappin over isht with out adding any instrumentation than thats another story
 6 years ago '04        #29
Adwerdz 348 heat pts348
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sampling is not "easier" you still have to be creative and know how to compose and lay it down right.. it's the same as using any other source to compose a beat. it actually might take more time and work to sample in most cases

and almost all of these famous hit songs have used a sampled drum loop or bass loop of some sort..ijs
 6 years ago '07        #30
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 Adwerdz said:
sampling is not "easier" you still have to be creative and know how to compose and lay it down right.. it's the same as using any other source to compose a beat. it actually might take more time and work to sample in most cases

and almost all of these famous hit songs have used a sampled drum loop or bass loop of some sort..ijs
yea see these cats who don't sample can't arrange them if their life depended on it... the ones who do know the deal... As I always say do not speak on something you can;t do or haven't

all those sayin its easy please make a beat from samples and post asap
 6 years ago '04        #31
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Yo, OP.. if sampling is so easy.. take your favorite track and sample it for a beat and see how fu*king good it sounds... i hope you realize youre offending any producer who uses samples... i sample any and everything, but i also use additional production with midi or live instruments.. hip hop isnt rock, it isnt country, it isnt even r&b.. it's HIP HOP if you dont like it then youre in the wrong place dun
 6 years ago '05        #32
Martel 21 heat pts21 OP
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man nobody mad at sampling. I do agree if the beats hot, it's hot. But c'mon y'all dont wanna see growth? Ronin you know what sampling I'm talkin about. Even so most of those guys you named sounds come from Synthesizers. There are synthesized pianos and synthesized brass/bass. I don't know about Timbo sampling Finnish guys but I'm sure he didn't sample songs like One In A Million (besides the cricket which isn't the type of sampling i have a problem with).

I do not have a problem with guys like Premier. Premier composes. He'll take a small sample and make his own melody out of it. I have no problem with people doing it for the love of hip hop. Shout outs to the crate diggers, thanks for keeping vinyl alive and our record stores alive. BUT let's be honest a lot of producers out here ain't on that tip. They sample mp3, whatever Adele or whatever song is current. Throw some drums over it. And get praised like they did something.

I love this beat to death (mostly because of the original song)


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why would y'all give cats like Harry Fraud (cool and all but his original beats suck) more credit than


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Man come on arranging samples don't take no extra talent. You can say the same for sample based producers. that they can't come up with something without sounds from somebody else's songs. Lex Luger samples and yall were bashin him about having no talent so it don't take nothing extra to sample. I know y'all love the art and all but it isn't some hard/complicated sh*t most of the time.
 6 years ago '09        #33
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I would give the producers who "don't sample" more credit if their music was good. You say its more original but it all sounds alike heavy synths, 808s, and sh*tty fake sound kits. I respect Neptunes because they can actually play real music. I bet young chop, or mike will couldnt do sh*t if you put them in front of a real instrument. Dilla played several instruments, but used a sh*t load of samples.
 6 years ago '04        #34
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 Martel said:
man nobody mad at sampling. I do agree if the beats hot, it's hot. But c'mon y'all dont wanna see growth? Ronin you know what sampling I'm talkin about. Even so most of those guys you named sounds come from Synthesizers. There are synthesized pianos and synthesized brass/bass. I don't know about Timbo sampling Finnish guys but I'm sure he didn't sample songs like One In A Million (besides the cricket which isn't the type of sampling i have a problem with).

I do not have a problem with guys like Premier. Premier composes. He'll take a small sample and make his own melody out of it. I have no problem with people doing it for the love of hip hop. Shout outs to the crate diggers, thanks for keeping vinyl alive and our record stores alive. BUT let's be honest a lot of producers out here ain't on that tip. They sample mp3, whatever Adele or whatever song is current. Throw some drums over it. And get praised like they did something.

I love this beat to death (mostly because of the original song)



why would y'all give cats like Harry Fraud (cool and all but his original beats suck) more credit than



Man come on arranging samples don't take no extra talent. You can say the same for sample based producers. that they can't come up with something without sounds from somebody else's songs. Lex Luger samples and yall were bashin him about having no talent so it don't take nothing extra to sample. I know y'all love the art and all but it isn't some hard/complicated sh*t most of the time.

Clams Casino samples are more complex because he's not looping.


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 6 years ago '05        #35
Martel 21 heat pts21 OP
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 bony said:
Yo, OP.. if sampling is so easy.. take your favorite track and sample it for a beat and see how fu*king good it sounds... i hope you realize youre offending any producer who uses samples... i sample any and everything, but i also use additional production with midi or live instruments.. hip hop isnt rock, it isnt country, it isnt even r&b.. it's HIP HOP if you dont like it then youre in the wrong place dun
i produce, sampling is easy and it isn't an achievement. you can't call it your own song. I compose and have sampled and I make way more wack composed beats than sampled. Pick a great song to sample from, chop it up a little and most likely it'll be dope because the original song was dope. Hip hop isn't rock or jazz but it can be as skillful. I dont understand how any person with a musical background would not want better. We need more creativeness and more interacting with musicians. If we can have


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over taking somebody elses art and reusing it over and over you're telling me you'd pick sampling? Producers are being lazy. Can you imagine how great this music would sound if we had more bands like the Roots?
 6 years ago '04        #36
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But producers are diversifying. Just because a producer take a sample and throw some drums over it doesn't mean he can't make a trap beat. When it come to producing producers are getting bilingual (if I should call it that). They are experimenting doing different styles, but at the same time doing current styles to stay relevant. I know I am.
 6 years ago '09        #37
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 Martel said:
i produce, sampling is easy and it isn't an achievement. you can't call it your own song. I compose and have sampled and I make way more wack composed beats than sampled. Pick a great song to sample from, chop it up a little and most likely it'll be dope because the original song was dope. Hip hop isn't rock or jazz but it can be as skillful. I dont understand how any person with a musical background would not want better. We need more creativeness and more interacting with musicians. If we can have



over taking somebody elses art and reusing it over and over you're telling me you'd pick sampling? Producers are being lazy. Can you imagine how great this music would sound if we had more bands like the Roots?
You do know that the Roots use samples, quite a bit actually.
 6 years ago '04        #38
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 Martel said:
i produce, sampling is easy and it isn't an achievement. you can't call it your own song. I compose and have sampled and I make way more wack composed beats than sampled. Pick a great song to sample from, chop it up a little and most likely it'll be dope because the original song was dope. Hip hop isn't rock or jazz but it can be as skillful. I dont understand how any person with a musical background would not want better. We need more creativeness and more interacting with musicians. If we can have



over taking somebody elses art and reusing it over and over you're telling me you'd pick sampling? Producers are being lazy. Can you imagine how great this music would sound if we had more bands like the Roots?
You aren't challenging yourself. If the sample is easy to sample I won't even touch it. I hate doing looped samples unless I can find a contemporary song that's not popular and I can make it popular by sampling it and advertising it as a beat.

I only touch a sample if it's challenging and I have to find the keys and add a new bass line, and instruments over it. Trap beats are just as easy to make, why do you think everyone has that sound now?
 6 years ago '05        #39
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 pocketchange said:
But producers are diversifying. Just because a producer take a sample and throw some drums over it doesn't mean he can't make a trap beat. When it come to producing producers are getting bilingual (if I should call it that). They are experimenting doing different styles, but at the same time doing current styles to stay relevant. I know I am.
that's cool then you know how to compose so im not dissing you. i like clams casino he uses crazy effects on his samples and he's actually an original sample-based producer when i hear his sh*t. i have not studied a lot of his stuff so i can't speak on the complexity but he does his thing.
 6 years ago '04        #40
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Playing an apprigator, that's just about as worse as sampling.
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