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 5 years ago '09        #141
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 RaptorsLost said:
funny how ariza and odom went to sh*t as soon as they left
odom just aint wanna play for the mavs he was always a good player every where else and ariza only could shoot and play defense same player it's just teams don't use him as a specialist now and he don't get open looks that he had when kobe gasol and bynum were on the floor
 5 years ago '09        #142
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 EnlightenMe said:
you took my statment "before international players were balling out in the nba" and took it as me saying there were no international players or that they were no good. maybe i should've been more clear. my statement was meaning that international players weren't as good as they are now, and there weren't nearly as many of them. all the international players you mentioned were role players with the exception of petrovic. i don't consider role players as guys who ball out. how many teams in the jordan era could you say their best player was an international player at one point? can only think of two teams really. in the kobe era, you had yao, dirk, nash, pau when he was in memphis, marc gasol, parker, bogut, horford (arguable, either him or josh smith is the best player for the hawks), dragic or gortat both international are the best players for phx now that nash is in LA, and so many other players on the come up, like rubio, batum, ibaka, etc. collectively the international talent pool is much larger and better today than it was in jordan's day. it's not close. don't know how or why anyone could or would argue this. it's taken as common knowledge now.

when you have that many expansion drafts in such a short time, the talent doesn't keep up with the number of teams. so collectively teams weren't as deep as they were in prior decades. jordan played with the best roster of his era. no team had a better number 2 man than pippen. and in the second three peat they added rodman. and all the great role players like kerr, paxson, grant. jordan's teams weren't as talented compared to kobe's teams and lebron's heat, but the teams he played against weren't as talented either.

and if you read my entire post, i already went over the all star teammate argument you pose as your last point so i don't think you read the entire post or understood it.
Plenty teams had multiple allstars players just did certain things different and were used different just could not stop the bulls they were determined but were beatable jordan just put them over the top when it mattered most he just elevated them even more just like kobe did there are actually more terrible teams now then back before
 5 years ago '07        #143
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 EnlightenMe said:
you took my statment "before international players were balling out in the nba" and took it as me saying there were no international players or that they were no good. maybe i should've been more clear. my statement was meaning that international players weren't as good as they are now, and there weren't nearly as many of them. all the international players you mentioned were role players with the exception of petrovic. i don't consider role players as guys who ball out. how many teams in the jordan era could you say their best player was an international player at one point? can only think of two teams really. in the kobe era, you had yao, dirk, nash, pau when he was in memphis, marc gasol, parker, bogut, horford (arguable, either him or josh smith is the best player for the hawks), dragic or gortat both international are the best players for phx now that nash is in LA, and so many other players on the come up like rubio, batum, ibaka, etc. collectively the international talent pool is much larger and better today than it was in jordan's day. it's not close. don't know how or why anyone could or would argue this. it's taken as common knowledge now.

when you have that many expansion drafts in such a short time, the talent doesn't keep up with the number of teams. so collectively teams weren't as deep as they were in prior decades. just a quick comparison of championship team rosters in the 90's compared to decades prior that point becomes quite obvious. jordan played with the best roster of his era. no team had a better number 2 man than pippen. and in the second three peat they added rodman. and all the great role players like kerr, paxson, grant. jordan's teams weren't as talented compared to kobe's teams and lebron's heat, but the teams he played against weren't as talented either.

and if you read my entire post, i already went over the all star teammate argument you pose as your last point so i don't think you read the entire post or understood it.
i read it,understood it,and your statement was completely false.if your gonna count nash,bogut and horford,then i might as well count ewing,olajuwon,and i also clearly state,past decade and elite.guys like dragic and gortat arent elite players.and either way it sill doesnt have much to do wit anything.majority of top foreign guys drafted have been busts.

as far as talent goes,bball is 1 - 5,not just 2 positions.mj and pip might be tha most talented 2 some,but that doesnt mean teams werent more talented top to bottom
lakers had magic,worthy,scott,divac,green,perkins,teagle and your gonna try and tell me thats not more talented than paxson,armstrong,hodges,mj,pip,grant,cartwright,pe rdue,livingston

dont try and discredit an era that u clearly didnt watch play.

and please dont say they were old.they are all well younger than what cryant is now.and where do u get this notion that teams are more talented today.expansion drafts dont weaken anything as it usually fringe guys who get taken.teams get diluted through actual drafts moreso than expansion drafts.more teams k!lls tha talent base.there is not enough franchise talent for 30 teams.talent is sh*t compared to back in tha day.i'll say wing guys may be more talented in this era,but thats it

tha fact that good teams in this day and age are called super teams should tell u all u need to know about todays talent level


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 5 years ago '07        #144
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 faceoffizhere said:
Plenty teams had multiple allstars players just did certain things different and were used different just could not stop the bulls they were determined but were beatable jordan just put them over the top when it mattered most he just elevated them even more just like kobe did there are actually more terrible teams now then back before
exactly lol
 5 years ago '12        #145
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 r.burgundy said:
i read it,understood it,and your statement was completely false.if your gonna count nash,bogut and horford,then i might as well count ewing,olajuwon,and i also clearly state,past decade and elite.guys like dragic and gortat arent elite players.and either way it sill doesnt have much to do wit anything.majority of top foreign guys drafted have been busts.

as far as talent goes,bball is 1 - 5,not just 2 positions.mj and pip might be tha most talented 2 some,but that doesnt mean teams werent more talented top to bottom
lakers had magic,worthy,scott,divac,green,perkins,teagle and your gonna try and tell me thats not more talented than paxson,armstrong,hodges,mj,pip,grant,cartwright,pe rdue,livingston

dont try and discredit an era that u clearly didnt watch play.

and please dont say they were old.they are all well younger than what cryant is now.and where do u get this notion that teams are more talented today.expansion drafts dont weaken anything as it usually fringe guys who get taken.teams get diluted through actual drafts moreso than expansion drafts.more teams k!lls tha talent base.there is not enough franchise talent for 30 teams.talent is sh*t compared to back in tha day.i'll say wing guys may be more talented in this era,but thats it

tha fact that good teams in this day and age are called super teams should tell u all u need to know about todays talent level
 faceoffizhere said:
there are actually more terrible teams now then back before
we're just going to have to agree to disagree




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 10-15-2012, 08:55 AM         #146
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Still making hateful comments? Wow, some of you can't stand seeing people on top of you huh? Instead you make long a.ss arguments to prove your worthless point that nobody cares about.
 5 years ago '07        #147
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 EnlightenMe said:
we're just going to have to agree to disagree
lakers had magic,worthy,scott,divac,green,perkins,teagle and your gonna try and tell me thats not more talented than paxson,armstrong,hodges,mj,pip,grant,cartwright,pe rdue,livingston

so u honestly feel bulls were more talented despite tha fact that magic was tha oldest laker at 31??

like i said earlier,this idea that jordan played against less talented teams is completely a.ssinine and it comes from a generation that just looks at stats and highlights
 10-15-2012, 09:09 AM         #148
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well he's not waiting until he retires to say whatever....

word to Jordan.
 5 years ago '06        #149
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 5 years ago '06        #150
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 SeaJaiye said:
nobody remembers those playoff games vs jazz/suns/spurs etc. he doesn't have historic games or moments in the playoffs, thats jus how it is. jordan and bron have those moments, kobe doesn't.......................

kobe's prime was like 05-08 and he didn't win sh*t. 05, missed playoffs. 06, lost in first round. 07, lost in first round. 08, got to the finals but had one of the worst performances ever.

he blew a 3-1 series lead in his prime at age 27, stop making excuses

lebron and jordan at age 27-28 in their prime was winning finals mvp's
alvin gentry tapping him on butt after double pump fake 19ft jumper that iced the game.

you just choose to not remember any of this prolific play.

Also, kobe did most of his work in the Western Conference playoffs, not so much the finals. And the west was so much stronger the eventual champ was definitely coming out the west, so his elevated play before the finals could be argued as more important.
 5 years ago '04        #151
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take a spoonful of that tough love. I would bet the people complaining in here are those one's who won't amount to anything
 5 years ago '10        #152
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 r.burgundy said:

jordan all stars are pippen,grant x1,bj x1,rodman,parish,and thats it lol

king james had jamison,big z ,szerbiak x1,williams x1,shaq,wade,bosh

cryant had shaq,gasol,bynum,butler,payton,malone,artest,nash, howard,divac,jamison,grant,richmond,rice,jones,rod man,van excel
so your gonna give count Horace Grant against Kobe but not against MJ huh ? Caron Butler has never been considered an All-Star level player at any point in his career and in fact the Lakers TRADED HIM FOR KWAME BROWN so that speaks on how highly the LA front office thought of him. you might as well take off Mitch Richmond when he was on the Lakers he averaged 4 and in the playoffs he played a whopping 4 minutes, some All-Star player there . Vlade Divac as Kobes teammate huh ? just a lil fun fact for you, Kobe Bryant was in fact traded for you guesed it, Vlade Divac and only returned briefly for the 2004-05 season as a stop gap. did you know how many PPG or games he played in that year ? well just so happens i do since he only played 15 games and only scored 2.3 PPG to go with 2.1 RPG. yet another All-Star player you tabbed for KB24. you cant really say Eddie Jones helped Kobe cause he was traded to open up the spot for him. Van Exel was traded away cause he was becoming a cancer to the team. as for Glen Rice, Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Dennis Rodman those guys were no where near the All-Star players that they once was. Jamison and Nash are also in their late 30's so we can see this season if they will be just like the players i just mentioned. im starting to think that you are the infamous SeaJaiye making ridiculous statements without doing some research first. here this will help u out some:

 5 years ago '07        #153
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Adam morrison says Kobe is a good teammate
 5 years ago '08        #154
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 authentics said:
Adam morrison says Kobe is a good teammate
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 5 years ago '07        #155
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 BEASTMODE863 said:
so your gonna give count Horace Grant against Kobe but not against MJ huh ? Caron Butler has never been considered an All-Star level player at any point in his career and in fact the Lakers TRADED HIM FOR KWAME BROWN so that speaks on how highly the LA front office thought of him. you might as well take off Mitch Richmond when he was on the Lakers he averaged 4 and in the playoffs he played a whopping 4 minutes, some All-Star player there . Vlade Divac as Kobes teammate huh ? just a lil fun fact for you, Kobe Bryant was in fact traded for you guesed it, Vlade Divac and only returned briefly for the 2004-05 season as a stop gap. did you know how many PPG or games he played in that year ? well just so happens i do since he only played 15 games and only scored 2.3 PPG to go with 2.1 RPG. yet another All-Star player you tabbed for KB24. you cant really say Eddie Jones helped Kobe cause he was traded to open up the spot for him. Van Exel was traded away cause he was becoming a cancer to the team. as for Glen Rice, Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Dennis Rodman those guys were no where near the All-Star players that they once was. Jamison and Nash are also in their late 30's so we can see this season if they will be just like the players i just mentioned. im starting to think that you are the infamous SeaJaiye making ridiculous statements without doing some research first. here this will help u out some:

when u fail that hard in tha 1st sentence its usually no point in readin tha rest,but u put some effort so i'll reply.

did u miss caron in washington?

rodmans only 2 all stars years were in detroit,not chicago

it doesnt matter how many minutes or points they played.did u not see i included robert parish wit jordans group???

tha fact is,neither james,nor jordan have played alongside anywhere near as much talent as kobe cryant.period end of discussion.doesnt mater how u try an spin it.
 10-15-2012, 12:46 PM         #156
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 SeaJaiye said:
what's kobe's greatest playoff game? his best finals performance?? cuz he talkin like he's the ultimate winner that carries everyone and never makes excuses

his legacy is a creation of phil jackson.......................lebron will overwrite his name when u look back on this era in 20 years or so.

dude couldnt even win a ring in his prime
really dude?
 5 years ago '04        #157
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 SeaJaiye said:
jordan or russell never fu*ked up??

magic lost 4 times in the finals, jerry west lost 9 times. ppl forget ur losses once u win.

bron had his failures, it's time for the success.


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LOL you cant be fu*kin serious with this graphic? try years in the league not AGE you fu*k boy f*ggot. only a real d!ck rider would just overlook the fact that MJ did his time at UNC and that lebron been in the league 9 years before his first title
 10-15-2012, 12:52 PM         #158
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 ddubb21 said:
LOL you cant be fu*kin serious with this graphic? try years in the league not AGE you fu*k boy f*ggot. only a real d!ck rider would just overlook the fact that MJ did his time at UNC and that lebron been in the league 9 years before his first title
so ignore the first 2 years of bron's career and compare them both from age 21-27, that pic would be exactly the same...........

or you acting like jordan would be winning MVPs/titles from age 18-21?
 10-15-2012, 05:57 PM         #159
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I came in to shutdown Enlighten Me once again, but it looks like that was done the past few pages.

 SeaJaiye said:
so ignore the first 2 years of bron's career and compare them both from age 21-27, that pic would be exactly the same...........

or you acting like jordan would be winning MVPs/titles from age 18-21?
That pic wouldn't be the exact same, I'd tell you that, especially if Jordan went straight into the pros and especially if he played in LeBron's era. LeBron would still be ringless. And MJ would make it a point to embarrass his a.ss.
 10-15-2012, 06:42 PM         #160
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 The Dark Knight said:
That pic wouldn't be the exact same, I'd tell you that, especially if Jordan went straight into the pros and especially if he played in LeBron's era. LeBron would still be ringless. And MJ would make it a point to embarrass his a.ss.

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lets be real.........................
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