2012 Presidential Election discussion thread (Obama vs Romney)

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 6 years ago '04        #362
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 foshomoney said:
I'd rather have a president hanging with stars and in touch with reality. Than a racist ego-tripping pompous idoit who writes of 50% of the country.
I got a question for you....When was the last time you heard of Obama going to the hood, and/or a poor/low income town in this Country?

You say that he's in touch with reality, but ever since he's been president, I haven't heard of any instances of him going to these areas reaching out to the poor people, blue collar working people, or even helping out a homeless person that he would see out in the streets.
 6 years ago '11        #363
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 knowughetto said:
I got a question for you....When was the last time you heard of Obama going to the hood, and/or a poor/low income town in this Country?

You say that he's in touch with reality, but ever since he's been president, I haven't heard of any instances of him going to these areas reaching out to the poor people, blue collar working people, or even helping out a homeless person that he would see out in the streets.
He may not be visiting the hoods now that he's President, but it's not like he writing them off as victims either. He's enacting policies to try and help the poor.



 6 years ago '12        #364
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 Kadillac87 said:
The logic is govt can use higher revenue to help with social programs and making colleges more affordable. Investing in education is helping the middle class
The theory is that one can consolidate and rebuild the middle class by redistributing the wealth from an elite and upper middle class held aloft by a crumbling economy, to a growing unemployed demographic sinking under the weight of the same crumbling economy; and correct architectural flaws in educational framework by grabbing funds out of a shrinking bag of money before throwing it at students, who will invariably march straight from graduation right into the unemployment pit like lemmings into quicksand.

So when the economic structure finally collapses in on its weakening foundations and crushes all amongst the lower class, before falling down a giant gateway into the abyss created by an enormous mass of non-productivity which had been sinking further downwards as it grew in volume, finally drawing with it the upper class, who were dependent on the very same economy which once propelled them into privilege but that has left their feet without any solid ground to stand on - those social investments are really going to come in handy, huh?


Socialism.
I bet that most liberals don't consider themselves socialist; don't consider themselves Marxist. What most of those same liberals fail to recognise is that much of the ideology that they propagate is in fact very much of Marxist origin, but that has only been embraced by the Democrats in moderation on account of the luxury of prosperity that has allowed both parties to dabble in ideology to fine degrees.

As the global economy wavers and the American economy suffers with it, however, desperation will be proceeded by abandon and extremes; and as a collective sense of entitlement sweeps across the land and people start clawing desperately at torn up pieces of a shrinking pie, socialist extremes will only act as catalysts for a critical decay which originates in a dysfunctional state of corporatism that has existed for much too long - where socialism has begun to corrupt capitalistic principles; subsidising businesses that should have fallen a long time ago and bloated social programs weighed down by bureaucracy.
Beware of the seeds you water, because the plants that grow might not materialise as you had envisaged.


As for this 'presidential race'; it's a redundant discussion in many respects. I will say this though: The constitution should come first - always. The fundamental rights and principles of a country should always take priority above all else; all ideology that is given oxygen to breath by a fundamental philosophical support system should take a back-seat when the support system itself is under threat.

Americans let down their founders by re-electing George Bush after he passed the single greatest violation of constitutional statute and individual liberty in America's history in the 'Patriot Act'; and by setting a precedent of apathy and careless disregard, we've been rewarded with a subsequent leader who has compounded misery upon misery with multiple acts of constitutional violations and executive power abuse of his own.

This corruptive momentum must be stopped, and the precedents must be undone. Any citizen who seeks the power of office must respect the oath of office; and any president who fails to do so must be confronted with a unanimous vote of rejection by the masses. The NDAA bill that authorises the a.ssassination of American citizens is reason enough to remove the Barack Obama from his position.
If it has to be Mitt Romney, then so be it. What's important is that future presidential candidates will understand their obligations and limitations, and will avoid exploiting their power in fear of losing it.


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 6 years ago '07        #365
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lol @ Obama being a socialist, if Obama is a socialist, he is the worse one in history.
 6 years ago '11        #366
Kadillac87 225 heat pts225
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 noverum said:
The theory is that one can consolidate and rebuild the middle class by redistributing the wealth from an elite and upper middle class held aloft by a crumbling economy, to a growing unemployed demographic sinking under the weight of the same crumbling economy; and correct architectural flaws in educational framework by grabbing funds out of a shrinking bag of money before throwing it at students, who will invariably march straight from graduation right into the unemployment pit like lemmings into quicksand.

So when the economic structure finally collapses in on its weakening foundations and crushes all amongst the lower class, before falling down a giant gateway into the abyss created by an enormous mass of non-productivity which had been sinking further downwards as it grew in volume, finally drawing with it the upper class, who were dependent on the very same economy which once propelled them into privilege but that has left their feet without any solid ground to stand on - those social investments are really going to come in handy, huh?


Socialism.
I bet that most liberals don't consider themselves socialist; don't consider themselves Marxist. What most of those same liberals fail to recognise is that much of the ideology that they propagate is in fact very much of Marxist origin, but that has only been embraced by the democrats in moderation on account of the luxury of prosperity that has allowed both parties to dabble in ideology to fine degrees.

As the global economy wavers and the American economy suffers with it, however, desperation will be proceeded by abandon and extremes; and as a collective sense of entitlement sweeps across the land and people start clawing desperately at torn up pieces of a shrinking pie, socialist extremes will only act as catalysts for a critical decay which originates in a dysfunctional state of corporatism that has existed for much too long - where socialism has begun to corrupt capitalistic principles; subsidising businesses that should have fallen a long time ago and bloated social programs weighed down by bureaucracy.
Beware of the seeds you water, because the plants that grow might not materialise as you had envisaged.


As for this 'presidential race'; it's a redundant discussion in many respects. I will say this though: The constitution should come first - always. The fundamental rights and principles of a country should always take priority above all else; all ideology that is given oxygen to breath by a fundamental philosophical support system should take a back-seat when the support system itself is under threat.

Americans let down their founders by re-electing George Bush after he passed the single greatest violation of constitutional statute and individual liberty in America's history in 'The Patriot Act', and by setting a precedent of apathy and careless disregard, we've been rewarded with a subsequent leader who has compounded misery upon misery with multiple acts of constitutional violations and executive power abuse of his own.

This corruptive momentum must be stopped, and the precedents must be undone. Any citizen who seeks the power of office must respect the oath of office; and any president who fails to do so must be confronted with a unanimous vote of rejection by the masses. The NDAA bill that authorises the a.ssassination of American citizens is reason enough to remove the Barack Obama from his position.
If it has to be Mitt Romney, then so be it. What's important is that future presidential candidates will understand their obligations and limitations, and will avoid exploiting their power in fear of losing it.
Ok Fox News. So it's not redistribution of wealth when tax cuts for the wealthy are paid for on the back of the middle class. Then it's called growing the economy right?

Take from the rich, give to the poor. Socialism

Take from the poor, give to the rich. Capitalism



People have been disrespecting the constitution since it's inception. All men are created equal except for black people right because they were meant for slavery.

So let me guess, you're one of those hypocritical right wingers who only believes in God's word when it comes to marriage, but when it comes to helping the poor, God's word doesn't apply anymore.



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 6 years ago '11        #367
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 NoTitleSince73 said:
lol @ Obama being a socialist, if Obama is a socialist, he is the worse one in history.
They call Obama a socialist and then come back and criticize him because the income gap under him has grown. I guess you can have it both ways.

 6 years ago '12        #368
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 Kadillac87 said:
Ok Fox News. So it's not redistribution of wealth when tax cuts for the wealthy are paid for on the back of the middle class. Then it's called growing the economy right?

Take from the rich, give to the poor. Socialism

Take from the poor, give to the rich. Capitalism



People have been disrespecting the constitution since it's inception. All men are created equal except for black people right because they were meant for slavery.

So let me guess, you're one of those hypocritical right wingers who only believes in God's word when it comes to marriage, but when it comes to helping the poor, we should ignore the Bible?

You didn't read the last part of my post, did you? I'm neither Republican nor Democrat. I'll wait for an independent candidate who shares my views, has the will to carry them and has the capacity to do so.
Capitalism is not a Republican concept, nor is the constitution respected by modern conservatists. On the contrary: As it stands, Republicans are just as much proponents of big government, crony capitalism and crimes against the constitution as the Democrats. Nevertheless, Obama must go.

Edit : Oh yeah, and just to shatter the prejudices and preconceptions of your two-party prism mentality just that little bit more - I don't believe in a God.


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 6 years ago '11        #369
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 noverum said:
You didn't read the last part of my post, did you? I'm neither Republican nor Democrat. I'll wait for an independent candidate who shares my views, has the will to carry them and has the capacity to do so.
Capitalism is not a Republican concept, nor is the constitution respected by modern conservatists. On the contrary: As it stands, Republicans are just as much proponents of big government, crony capitalism and crimes against the constitution as the Democrats. Nevertheless, Obama must go.
I read it. I just quickly deduced you were full of sh*t from your repeating of right wing talking points such as redistribution and socialism.

Again, when was the constitution fully respected? All men are created equal but black people didn't get the right to vote until 1964?


 6 years ago '12        #370
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 Kadillac87 said:
I read it. I just quickly deduced you were full of sh*t from your repeating of right wing talking points such as redistribution and socialism.

Again, when was the constitution fully respected? All men are created equal but black people didn't get the right to vote until 1964?


I understand. Because the constitutional was not always honoured, it should never be honoured. Let tyranny begin.
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 noverum said:
You didn't read the last part of my post, did you? I'm neither Republican nor Democrat. I'll wait for an independent candidate who shares my views, has the will to carry them and has the capacity to do so.
Capitalism is not a Republican concept, nor is the constitution respected by modern conservatists. On the contrary: As it stands, Republicans are just as much proponents of big government, crony capitalism and crimes against the constitution as the Democrats. Nevertheless, Obama must go.

Edit : Oh yeah, and just to shatter the prejudices and preconceptions of your two-party prism mentality just that little bit more - I don't believe in a God.
So they are both just as bad (which is bs but ill play along). But Obama must go? If they are both just as bad, whats the difference?
 6 years ago '11        #373
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 noverum said:
I understand. Because the constitutional was not always honoured, it should never be honoured. Let tyranny begin.
You trying to make it seem as if the constitution was never violated before Bush. Kind of like how some people try to make it seem we were running balanced budgets before Obama. The picking and choosing of when to enact certain standards has to stop.


 6 years ago '12        #374
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 Kadillac87 said:
You trying to make it seem as if the constitution was never violated before Bush. Kind of like how some people try to make it seem we were running balanced budgets before Obama. The picking and choosing of when to enact certain standards has to stop.


You can interpret my words however you like. Your logic has no limits; the very freedom to speak your mind is at threat with the rationale you use in excusing the two greatest abusers of executive power that the United States has ever seen. The principles of the constitution that propelled the USA into becoming one of the greatest nations in human civilisation must be non-negotiable.

Yes, the statutes of the document have been unforgivably ignored in the past, resulting in great crimes of human atrocity; but your argument about black Americans having been failed by the state works in support of honouring the constitution, not against it. When the principles of individual liberty are ignored, the masses suffer. The sad irony is that you are now an apologist for the very crimes that failed and enslaved many.
Not only that, but never before has the document itself been threatened; only ignored. Over the last decade, it has been rewritten and its fundamental protections of individuals, superseded; and crimes against the constitution that were once overlooked are now being legalised.

You would vote for the man who has violated your rights and the constitution that protects them, why? Because he has the physical appearance of those who have suffered at the hands of similar crimes before him?
 6 years ago '11        #375
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 noverum said:
You can interpret my words however you like. Your logic has no limits; the very freedom to speak your mind is at threat with the rationale you use in excusing the two greatest abusers of executive power that the United States has ever seen. The principles of the constitution that propelled the USA into becoming one of the greatest nations in human civilisation must be non-negotiable.

Yes, the statutes of the document have been unforgivably ignored in the past, resulting in great crimes of human atrocity; but your argument about black Americans having been failed by the state works in support of honouring the constitution, not against it. When the principles of individual liberty are ignored, the masses suffer. The sad irony is that you are now an apologist for the very crimes that failed and enslaved many.
Not only that, but never before has the document itself been threatened; only ignored. Over the last decade, it has been rewritten and its fundamental protections of individuals, superseded; and crimes against the constitution that were once overlooked are now being legalised.

You would vote for the man who has violated your rights and the constitution that protects them, why? Because he has the physical appearance of those who have suffered at the hands of similar crimes before him?
The government has three branches of government. If the constitution is threatened, it's through the conjoined acts of the Supreme Court, Congress, and the President, not just one man.

Who introduced the legislation for the Patriot Act? Who upheld the Patriot Act? Bush did it all by himself?

If the constitution is threatened, then the constitution has already failed by failure to enact checks and balance.

Most of the people who voted for Patriot Act in Congress are still there. Most of the judges who upheld the law are still there. But you're trying to make the claim that Obama alone is the threat? As if he can fu*k over the constitution without the willingly consent of others.

So according to you, I shouldn't vote at all because every elected official played a role in violating my rights.
 10-05-2012, 12:03 AM         #376
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Dumb a.ss mofofs college tuiiton is up at all time rate. Obama aint doint shti. Im drunk as fk, obama dumb as fk, what the difference, nada. GO CANESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
 10-05-2012, 12:09 AM         #377
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Anybody else can't stand this Stephanie Cutter chick?

IMO she ain't helpin Obama with her interviews.
 10-05-2012, 12:12 AM         #378
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 illmatix said:
Anybody else can't stand this Stephanie Cutter chick?

IMO she ain't helpin Obama with her interviews.
If that bi*ch aint the devil then who is. I bang her old stuck up azz though. She is a piece of work though. Makes the O camp look bad IMO
 10-05-2012, 12:42 AM         #379
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 Kadillac87 said:
The logic is govt can use higher revenue to help with social programs and making colleges more affordable. Investing in education is helping the middle class
You know I wrote that in my post right? I was guessing that was Obama's answer but here's why that plan has a hole. Where are the jobs after that kid finishes school?... See what I mean? Making millionaires won't help the middle class, period. It helps the government... get richer... and pay extra bonuses to themselves. Y'all getting fooled. They're using jealously to make a cash grab.
 6 years ago '05        #380
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I'm a democrat and I voted for Obama myself but I gotta admit Romney did his thing.
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