2012 Presidential Election discussion thread (Obama vs Romney)

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 5 years ago '05        #341
bi0 5 heat pts
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Ronmey flip flopping as usual yeah he is a impressive speaker but he is a business man all business man/con artist sound good to get your money then thats when sh*t hits the fan and he is no longer accepting your phone calls.

Ronmey ain't even standing up for the polices his party is supporting in the debate he just swindling the american people in to thinking big business has the peoples best interest when they don't.

Yeah Obama drained 90 billion in clean energy but thats only cause he was some what elected to find alternative energy and OIL tycoons aren't gonna let that happen.

Yeah people wanted to see Obama wash Ronmey in the debate and make this one sided but Ronmey is a Educated Rich Yuppie who already thinks low of poor and people of color so i knew for a fact obama wasn't gonna just take the debate that easy.

He needs to really start calling Ronmey on his Lies and Policies
And Ronmey which i know he won't do is stand up for his Polices in which his party endorsed him for!
 5 years ago '05        #342
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 canesin2099 said:
Geezus, I give up with you people. So, what happened when that bubble crashed and people dealt with high taxes? You really prove my point, when things are good, you raise taxes, that spurs growth sure, because the growth is already there and people don't mind paying the extra tax, but when that bubble busted, people were left with losses and taxes on top of that.

Obama talks math. Yeah lets do that. Take 10 million new jobs, multiply that by that 40000, and divide it by 40%. How much revenue does that create?
homie...none of what you said changes the fact that taxes is revenue.

you said

 canesin2099 said:
It was the revenue created by the business that created wealth, not the taxes. We still had a deficit just so you know.
well thats simple isnt true, taxes clearly have something to do with it because its money coming in

and let me say, im not one to say raise the taxes on the rich, but what you said is an inaccuracy no matter how you try to word it
 10-04-2012, 06:29 PM         #343
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Romney was impressive.

IMO he had a better understanding of exactly what is going on and had ideas for how to fix it.

Obama seemed to generalize way too much. The status quo isn't good enough. You can't just say "i'm going to continue to work hard." Especially when you're hard work hasn't gotten us anywhere as of yet.

Looking forward to the next debate.
 10-04-2012, 06:59 PM         #344
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 foshomoney said:
I just think Obama was calm and collected and Mitt was acting like gunplay at the hiphop awards. He ethered Romney at the end and no one speaks on it.




this is what I saw at the debate too
Mind posting the vid of that ether because I might have interpreted it wrong but I don't think it was an ether.
 5 years ago '07        #345
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 illmatix said:
Romney was impressive.

IMO he had a better understanding of exactly what is going on and had ideas for how to fix it.

Obama seemed to generalize way too much. The status quo isn't good enough. You can't just say "i'm going to continue to work hard." Especially when you're hard work hasn't gotten us anywhere as of yet.

Looking forward to the next debate.
lol @ obama was the one who generalized. Obama was specific, Romney was the one speaking with Abstract ideas.
 10-04-2012, 08:17 PM         #346
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Ha damn there was a debate ehh whatever...none of em gonna change sh*t any way so not watching and no fu*ks given except to comment then keep it moving
 5 years ago '11        #347
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 NoTitleSince73 said:
lol @ obama was the one who generalized. Obama was specific, Romney was the one speaking with Abstract ideas.
"I'm going to repeal Obamacare"

"Which parts"


"I'm going to keep the good stuff"



 5 years ago '04        #348
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Romney basically just told everyone what they wanted to hear. You want free money. Everyone gets free money. You want all the good stuff in OBAMACARE. I will take all the bad stuff out and give you the good stuff.
 5 years ago '11        #349
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 thatruest said:
Elections will matter once we have an educated voters system.

You're right, elections don't matter. Even Al Gore would have invaded Iraq on falsified documents.
 5 years ago '11        #350
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 thatruest said:
Hence, until we have an educated voters system. Smartass.
What yo want them to be educated on? Is there a way to predict who will ignore terrorist threats in order to invade a country that didn't have anything to do with it? Are you proposing a crystal ball?




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 5 years ago '08        #351
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whether you agree or disagree with his stances, romney won this 1st debate.

round 2...
 5 years ago '11        #352
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I think the Obama campaign has seen Romney make himself look stupid the past 2 months, and they were expecting him to do the same here so they did not go on the attack in hopes that he'd tear himself down. Didn't work out.

Also, Romney has been debating all year, Obama has not been in a debate in 4 years...By the 3rd debate, Obama will be back to form and Romney will have been fact checked to death....
 5 years ago '11        #353
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 thatruest said:
It controls biases. Have a multiple choice screening the potential voter as to what the actual policies the candidate represents. Honestly, this has gotten far too ridiculous. Do you know how many people are going to do the whole skin color crap again?


It's 2012, & we're still on that. As if the biggest battle on this planet isn't Upper class vs Lower class. They keep giving us reasons to distrust one another. You may want to read into the Bacon's Rebellion, 100 years prior to the American Revolution. They don't want a sequel to that action.
Again, how would an educated system have prevented the invasion of Iraq?
 5 years ago '11        #354
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 thatruest said:
Not having one didn't. What would it hurt?
The fact is, you said elections won't matter without educated voters system. That is false. As we see in 2000, no educated voters system and that election mattered very much. Not saying that the terrorist attacks wouldn't have happen under Gore, but we know for a fact that Gore wasn't looking for a reason to invade Iraq prior to the attacks.

An educated voter system sounds nice, but you're still left with the same problem. How are you're going to ensure that those policies are enacted?
 10-04-2012, 09:33 PM         #355
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 Kadillac87 said:
The fact is, you said elections won't matter without educated voters system. That is false. As we see in 2000, no educated voters system and that election mattered very much. Not saying that the terrorist attacks wouldn't have happen under Gore, but we know for a fact that Gore wasn't looking for a reason to invade Iraq prior to the attacks.

An educated voter system sounds nice, but you're still left with the same problem. How are you're going to ensure that those policies are enacted?
Voting in individuals that the public believe will coincide with their beliefs. A more educated populace will know about the hidden agenda and the undercover corruption that the government tries to envoke with this dumb down population. A lot more political riots, massive fundamental changes within the construct of society and complete change of how the media portrays its material will allow politicians to up their act and follow the rights of the people.
 10-04-2012, 09:35 PM         #356
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 NoTitleSince73 said:
lol @ obama was the one who generalized. Obama was specific, Romney was the one speaking with Abstract ideas.
I've heard that opinion, but I didn't see it that way.
 5 years ago '11        #357
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 Darkdrone said:
Voting in individuals that the public believe will coincide with their beliefs. A more educated populace will know about the hidden agenda and the undercover corruption that the government tries to envoke with this dumb down population. A lot more political riots, massive fundamental changes within the construct of society and complete change of how the media portrays its material will allow politicians to up their act and follow the rights of the people.
That's how the Tea Party movement started. That's working out well. We're not going to compromise because the people voted us here.


And the media is controlled by corporation buying ads. None of that will change how they cover stories.


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 5 years ago '11        #358
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 illmatix said:
I've heard that opinion, but I didn't see it that way.
What loopholes will Romney close?


What will Romney replace Obamacare with after he repeals?
 5 years ago '07        #359
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 illmatix said:
I've heard that opinion, but I didn't see it that way.
These are facts, not opinions. Romney attacks specifics in Obama's record (Obamacare, Dodd Frank etc) and then says this week "Oh i'll repeal and replace them". Whats he gonna replace them with? No one knows since this is the first time hes said much of this. Cause before it was "dodd-frank and obamacare are big gov! and ill repeal them the first day!" Now its a very, very different tune. He spent his entire campaign going to the right, now at the first debate we get to see Moderate Mitt from Mass again.
Remember this?

[video - click to view]

Seems like we saw the etch a sketch shaken last night

Here is he saying he will repeal it (followed by a few minutes of flat out lies)

[video - click to view]


and here is a few weeks later

[video - click to view]

oh well we'll replace it.
You show me a key issue to Romney, and I'll show you him taking both sides of the argument. And his line about the "biggest kiss to the banks" is also hilarious, considering his top 8 donors. are all BANKS.

heres a video for sh*ts and giggles

[video - click to view]



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 5 years ago '07        #360
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 NoTitleSince73 said:
yeah the PBS budget will save SOOO much money.
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