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 5 years ago '06        #481
jj01 
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 Adwerdz said:
are you serious? you expect him to get big f!ghts off the rip without making a name for himself, no top f!ghter is gonna give you a shot and make you a star if you don't have any cred. he beat a couple of legit f!ghters who had a a lil cred for themselves, may have not been big names but they weren't a.ss f!ghters.

what do you mean by gauge his abilities? styles make f!ghts, if he fought mayweather next and lost, that wouldn't make him a sh*tty f!ghter. you only judging him by his opponents weaknesses not by his boxing skills in the ring, that's bias. No one is hyping him up he is puttin that work in and showing and proving that he can be one of the best.


off the rip? he has 40 f!ghts and as a champion shouldnt be f!ghting cans. champs f!ght the best in the division, legit ranked foes. he has done none of that since he got the belt. shouldnt boxers make a name for themselves and then f!ght for a ship? not the case with this dude, he was handed a belt because he was hispanic, same as chavez and then given a chance to make a name for himself. so he is proving he can be one of the best by f!ghting none of the best? that makes sense
 5 years ago '06        #482
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 r.burgundy said:
manny and shane mosley get cramps also and they are 2 of tha best conditioned athletes in tha sport.so whats your point?

shane gasses out after the first few rounds


manny had the steroid cloud and the talk has lessened and his performances have been gradually worse and the cramp/excuses have increased.
 5 years ago '07        #483
r.burgundy 16 heat pts16
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 jj01 said:
ward has been dropped before, and im sure its by nobody u would know. he came back and did what he needed to do to win the f!ght. he has fought and taken shots from the heaviest hitters in his division and came out on top. dude is the real deal and proved his worth vs that comp and deserves the recognition he gets.

if ward has 4 good names on his resume like u say, even though most were legit/ranked f!ghters in his own weight division......how many would u say canelo has?

just because there are only 4 names you recognize doesnt mean others arent legit.
i seriously doubt u saw tha f!ght ward was down in and tha dude that dropped him lost 19 f!ghts

only real heavy hitter in that division was froch and froch didnt hit ward at all.ive never seen ward take a good shot.not to say he cant,i just havent seen it

at age 22 canelo has fought tougher comp than ward did at that same age lol/again,canelo has alot of f!ghts but he is only 22 years old

i could say tha same thing about canelo's comp
 5 years ago '06        #484
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 r.burgundy said:
i seriously doubt u saw tha f!ght ward was down in and tha dude that dropped him lost 19 f!ghts

only real heavy hitter in that division was froch and froch didnt hit ward at all.ive never seen ward take a good shot.not to say he cant,i just havent seen it

at age 22 canelo has fought tougher comp than ward did at that same age lol/again,canelo has alot of f!ghts but he is only 22 years old

i could say tha same thing about canelo's comp

so because the opponent lost several f!ghts, that doesnt make it legit that he hurt ward? u say u wanted to see him take a punch, how does that not qualify?

miranda, abe, kess werent heavy hitters? they have over 90 kos between them.

what tough comp has canelo fought again?
 5 years ago '07        #485
r.burgundy 16 heat pts16
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 jj01 said:
so because the opponent lost several f!ghts, that doesnt make it legit that he hurt ward? u say u wanted to see him take a punch, how does that not qualify?

miranda, abe, kess werent heavy hitters? they have over 90 kos between them.

what tough comp has canelo fought again?
it was his 6th f!ght and he was still at mw,likely weight drained and he fought a smaller guy.

at 168 no,and miranda was shot to sh*t.thats like callin shane a heavy hitter when canelo fought him.abe has been a bum at 168 which is why he moved back down,and kess has neva been known as a power puncher

and again,what was ward doin at 22?
 09-16-2012, 02:49 AM         #486
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sergio is a fu*king warrior yo. he didnt try to hold or anything after that knockdown.
He fought back. Holy fu*k im watching this again tomorrow
lol hbo commentary brain wash yall fair weather dudes
 5 years ago '09        #487
TriniSoldier 64 heat pts64
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 DrX said:
lol hbo commentary brain wash yall fair weather dudes
don't be disrespecting martinez son
 5 years ago '09        #488
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it's only so long that fake boxers can pretend...rematch would be the same result
 5 years ago '09        #489
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 r.burgundy said:
yeah.he's tha goods.all thats left to see really is how he can take a punch or deal wit somebody who wants to box him
Alfonso Gomez was giving him real trouble, but he's improved drastically since then.
 5 years ago '09        #490
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 jj01 said:
nobody goes up 20-25+ consistently like he does every f!ght, and he is only allowed to do so because his godfather refuses to drug test this dude

the difference with the other f!ghters u mentioned is that they are usually at or around their f!ghting weight.....jr is nowhere near it and has to cut 20-30 lbs each camp. thats why they were saying he had no legs in the f!ght. we see the same sh*t each f!ght with him, its evident that its affecting him in f!ghts since he has cramps/leg problems so frequently now. his stamina is sh*t, he just is able to get this far by being bigger than everybody else and able to take a punch because of the weight advantage.
Chavez superhydrates, and it is as big a detriment as it is an advantage. His face busts up far easier, and he can't throw nearly as many punches as he needs to. You have to understand that being 180 doesn't mean sh*t if it isn't natural strength. It's water weight and nutrients.
 5 years ago '09        #491
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Anyone who missed Troy Ross/Yoan Pablo Hernandez, go fu*k yourselves. Best cruiserweight f!ght of the year.
 5 years ago '10        #492
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 thegoldenhero said:
it's only so long that fake boxers can pretend...rematch would be the same result
Nah, I think Chavez can beat him. He just has to cut the ring off and let his hands go.
 5 years ago '05        #493
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 r.burgundy said:
it was his 6th f!ght and he was still at mw,likely weight drained and he fought a smaller guy.

at 168 no,and miranda was shot to sh*t.thats like callin shane a heavy hitter when canelo fought him.abe has been a bum at 168 which is why he moved back down,and kess has neva been known as a power puncher

and again,what was ward doin at 22?
ward was coming off winning a gold medal in the olympics 2 years earlier and starting his pro career.

Also miranda is a heavy hitter shot or not..dont forget eh recently Ko'd dawson in camp with 10 oz gloves and head gear....dont forget ward just outclassed and ko'd the top light heavyweight in the world..canelo has faced no where near the comp ward has..ward has cleaned out his division. canelo may only be 22 an dhave alot of f!ghts ..but their still getting him experience since he has no amatuer background like ward....once canelo cleans out his division you can call him on wards level
 5 years ago '06        #494
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 xRapHeadx said:
Chavez superhydrates, and it is as big a detriment as it is an advantage. His face busts up far easier, and he can't throw nearly as many punches as he needs to. You have to understand that being 180 doesn't mean sh*t if it isn't natural strength. It's water weight and nutrients.

its important because he is able to walk through shots from legit mw because of the weight, whereas most ppl would fall. and i know its dangerous and he is playing with fire doing it, thats why he always tires so quickly and takes forever to get off.

he thinks he can half a.ss his training and overcome it because he is bigger. tonight it caught up with him, lets see if he starts taking training camp seriously now.....i doubt it tho.
 5 years ago '09        #495
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 jj01 said:
its important because he is able to walk through shots from legit mw because of the weight, whereas most ppl would fall. and i know its dangerous and he is playing with fire doing it, thats why he always tires so quickly and takes forever to get off.

he thinks he can half a.ss his training and overcome it because he is bigger. tonight it caught up with him, lets see if he starts taking training camp seriously now.....i doubt it tho.
The weight doesn't allow you to walk through shots.

On the undercard, Marroquin outweighed Rigondeaux by 6 lbs(which is huge for 122 lbers) Rigo got his respect and hurt him numerous times.

Chavez has a damn good chin, and Sergio was committed off the back foot.
 5 years ago '09        #496
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 Afnorth123 said:
ward was coming off winning a gold medal in the olympics 2 years earlier and starting his pro career.

Also miranda is a heavy hitter shot or not..dont forget eh recently Ko'd dawson in camp with 10 oz gloves and head gear....dont forget ward just outclassed and ko'd the top light heavyweight in the world..canelo has faced no where near the comp ward has..ward has cleaned out his division. canelo may only be 22 an dhave alot of f!ghts ..but their still getting him experience since he has no amatuer background like ward....once canelo cleans out his division you can call him on wards level
Ward hadn't fought anyone before the Super Six.

Ward took some solid shots from Miranda, so I don't think his chin is particularly weak. The times he got hurt early in his career, he made some mistakes and got caught with stuff he didn't see. Either way, he responded perfectly when hurt. He spoiled and bought time.
 5 years ago '06        #497
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 Afnorth123 said:
ward was coming off winning a gold medal in the olympics 2 years earlier and starting his pro career.

Also miranda is a heavy hitter shot or not..dont forget eh recently Ko'd dawson in camp with 10 oz gloves and head gear....dont forget ward just outclassed and ko'd the top light heavyweight in the world..canelo has faced no where near the comp ward has..ward has cleaned out his division. canelo may only be 22 an dhave alot of f!ghts ..but their still getting him experience since he has no amatuer background like ward....once canelo cleans out his division you can call him on wards level


this. and ppl act like miranda didnt have bute, abe and others in serious trouble. also funny how ppl forget that most ppl thought abe was the fav in the tourney. kessler has over 30 kos and was a big fav vs ward and dre walked right through him.

downplaying ward to big up canelo

spare me the bullsh*t, dude hasnt done sh*t at 54.
 5 years ago '12        #498
44wade 289 heat pts289
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Martinez, 37, suffered a broken left hand which he fractured from punching the 26-year-old Chavez Jr. in the head so many times in the mostly one-sided f!ght.

Additionally, Martinez tore ligaments in his right knee while falling down during a 12th round knockdown at the hands of Chavez Jr. The knee reportedly may require surgery to repair the damage, according to RingTV. Martinez also needed 8 stitches to close a large cut over his left eye, and he also needed a couple of staples in his head.

As you can see the f!ght was a little tougher than it appeared to be despite the fact that Martinez completely dominated Chavez Jr. for the first 11 rounds of the f!ght with his speed, power and amazing boxing skills.

There’s no word about the extent of Chavez Jr’s injuries but he’s probably not feeling too good today, as his face was badly marked up around the eyes and cheeks from Martinez’s heavy shots. I’ve never seen Chavez Jr. take so much punishment before in any of his previous f!ghts, and he’s lucky that he had a huge weight advantage over Martinez. It might have been much, much worse had Martinez been weighing around same as Chavez Jr. in this f!ght.


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 5 years ago '09        #499
xRapHeadx 17 heat pts17
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Martinez wasn't outweighed by more than 10 lbs. I guarantee it.
 5 years ago '07        #500
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 xRapHeadx said:
Anyone who missed Troy Ross/Yoan Pablo Hernandez, go fu*k yourselves. Best cruiserweight f!ght of the year.
who tha hell watches cruisers lol
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