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 6 years ago '04        #461
Adwerdz 348 heat pts348
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str8 fu*kery, n*ggas judging a f!ghter by who he hasn't fought and who he's fought and are not judging on his true boxing abilities and skill, you can't say canelo isn't going to be a top f!ghter in his class, can you?
i'm not one of these fake boxing fans hypin the kid up, but any true boxing fan can see this kid has the skill/power to be a potential threat to any one he's in the ring with, not saying he can't be defeated but he's a problem for anyone.
 6 years ago '06        #462
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 r.burgundy said:
he was 158 at tha weigh in.he makes 160 just fine

lol he k!lled himself to make the limit and already said he was moving up soon.

it isnt healthy to k!ll yourself to make weight then balloon 25+ lbs in 1 night.

thats why he had no legs to finish it off. he looked dead the 1st half of the f!ght, roach even said he considered stopping it.

chavez being 20lbs heavier is why he is able to be as successful as he has been. not because of skill, he can walk through everything at this weight. it wont happen at a higher weight. they are going to find that out the hard way.
 6 years ago '07        #463
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 Adwerdz said:
str8 fu*kery, n*ggas judging a f!ghter by who he hasn't fought and who he's fought and are not judging on his true boxing abilities and skill, you can't say canelo isn't going to be a top f!ghter in his class, can you?
i'm not one of these fake boxing fans hypin the kid up, but any true boxing fan can see this kid has the skill/power to be a potential threat to any one he's in the ring with, not saying he can't be defeated but he's a problem for anyone.
yeah.he's tha goods.all thats left to see really is how he can take a punch or deal wit somebody who wants to box him
 6 years ago '07        #464
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 jj01 said:
lol he k!lled himself to make the limit and already said he was moving up soon.

it isnt healthy to k!ll yourself to make weight then balloon 25+ lbs in 1 night.

thats why he had no legs to finish it off. he looked dead the 1st half of the f!ght, roach even said he considered stopping it.

chavez being 20lbs heavier is why he is able to be as successful as he has been. not because of skill, he can walk through everything at this weight. it wont happen at a higher weight. they are going to find that out the hard way.
only guys i can think of who dont do that are ward,hopkins and floyd.majority of top guys come in at 15lbs + on f!ght nite.they need to go back to same day weigh ins

he had no legs cause martinez went to tha body most of tha night and made him move.sh*t was rnd 12 not rnd 3
 6 years ago '06        #465
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 Adwerdz said:
str8 fu*kery, n*ggas judging a f!ghter by who he hasn't fought and who he's fought and are not judging on his true boxing abilities and skill, you can't say canelo isn't going to be a top f!ghter in his class, can you?
i'm not one of these fake boxing fans hypin the kid up, but any true boxing fan can see this kid has the skill/power to be a potential threat to any one he's in the ring with, not saying he can't be defeated but he's a problem for anyone.

so we should be for him because he was handed a belt that he didnt deserve because he just so happened to be hispanic?

f!ghting cans in mexico and then f!ghting shot/smaller f!ghters on hbo/showtime here doesnt get you respect from ppl that can see beyond the name and ethnic background. how hard is it to look good vs his competition? he hasnt had a legit test to properly gauge his abilities, and they want to call out mayweather now beat a legit f!ghter in your weight class first. gbp is stacked at 54 and they refuse to put him in with a legit f!ghter disrespectful.
 6 years ago '06        #466
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 r.burgundy said:
yeah.he's tha goods.all thats left to see really is how he can take a punch or deal wit somebody who wants to box him

with 42 f!ghts shouldnt we already know that by now?
 6 years ago '07        #467
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 jj01 said:
so we should be for him because he was handed a belt that he didnt deserve because he just so happened to be hispanic?

f!ghting cans in mexico and then f!ghting shot/smaller f!ghters on hbo/showtime here doesnt get you respect from ppl that can see beyond the name and ethnic background. how hard is it to look good vs his competition? he hasnt had a legit test to properly gauge his abilities, and they want to call out mayweather now beat a legit f!ghter in your weight class first. gbp is stacked at 54 and they refuse to put him in with a legit f!ghter disrespectful.
he's only 22.most top guys are still amatuers at that age.who should he hav fought by 22 years old?look at any top guy and tell me who they were f!ghtin at that age
 6 years ago '07        #468
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 jj01 said:
with 42 f!ghts shouldnt we already know that by now?
do we know if ward cant take a punch yet?not his fault he doesnt get hit much
 6 years ago '06        #469
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 r.burgundy said:
only guys i can think of who dont do that are ward,hopkins and floyd.majority of top guys come in at 15lbs + on f!ght nite.they need to go back to same day weigh ins

he had no legs cause martinez went to tha body most of tha night and made him move.sh*t was rnd 12 not rnd 3

nobody goes up 20-25+ consistently like he does every f!ght, and he is only allowed to do so because his godfather refuses to drug test this dude

the difference with the other f!ghters u mentioned is that they are usually at or around their f!ghting weight.....jr is nowhere near it and has to cut 20-30 lbs each camp. thats why they were saying he had no legs in the f!ght. we see the same sh*t each f!ght with him, its evident that its affecting him in f!ghts since he has cramps/leg problems so frequently now. his stamina is sh*t, he just is able to get this far by being bigger than everybody else and able to take a punch because of the weight advantage.
 6 years ago '09        #470
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just finished watching both f!ghts, great night in boxing
 6 years ago '06        #471
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 r.burgundy said:
do we know if ward cant take a punch yet?not his fault he doesnt get hit much

you're comparing ward's comp to canelo;s


ward has fought the best f!ghters in the division and some of the hardest punchers in boxing in his run. ward has 10-12 names better than anybody on canelo's resume.

dre took on legit tests and proved his abilities, canelo hasnt done that at all yet and still has ppl gassed.
 6 years ago '07        #472
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 jj01 said:
nobody goes up 20-25+ consistently like he does every f!ght, and he is only allowed to do so because his godfather refuses to drug test this dude

the difference with the other f!ghters u mentioned is that they are usually at or around their f!ghting weight.....jr is nowhere near it and has to cut 20-30 lbs each camp. thats why they were saying he had no legs in the f!ght. we see the same sh*t each f!ght with him, its evident that its affecting him in f!ghts since he has cramps/leg problems so frequently now. his stamina is sh*t, he just is able to get this far by being bigger than everybody else and able to take a punch because of the weight advantage.
miguel cotto,adrien broner,margarito,paul williams,just to name a few.thats tha norm these days.majority of guys are cuttin 20 lbs

his legs looked fine in that andy lee f!ght
 6 years ago '07        #473
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 jj01 said:
you're comparing ward's comp to canelo;s


ward has fought the best f!ghters in the division and some of the hardest punchers in boxing in his run. ward has 10-12 names better than anybody on canelo's resume.

dre took on legit tests and proved his abilities, canelo hasnt done that at all yet and still has ppl gassed.
and has ward shown he can take a punch yet?

who is comparin their comp?1 dude is 29 and 1 dude is 22

and ward has 4 good names on his resume lol
 6 years ago '04        #474
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 jj01 said:
so we should be for him because he was handed a belt that he didnt deserve because he just so happened to be hispanic?

f!ghting cans in mexico and then f!ghting shot/smaller f!ghters on hbo/showtime here doesnt get you respect from ppl that can see beyond the name and ethnic background. how hard is it to look good vs his competition? he hasnt had a legit test to properly gauge his abilities, and they want to call out mayweather now beat a legit f!ghter in your weight class first. gbp is stacked at 54 and they refuse to put him in with a legit f!ghter disrespectful.
are you serious? you expect him to get big f!ghts off the rip without making a name for himself, no top f!ghter is gonna give you a shot and make you a star if you don't have any cred. he beat a couple of legit f!ghters who had a a lil cred for themselves, may have not been big names but they weren't a.ss f!ghters.

what do you mean by gauge his abilities? styles make f!ghts, if he fought mayweather next and lost, that wouldn't make him a sh*tty f!ghter. you only judging him by his opponents weaknesses not by his boxing skills in the ring, that's bias. No one is hyping him up he is puttin that work in and showing and proving that he can be one of the best.
 6 years ago '06        #475
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 r.burgundy said:
miguel cotto,adrien broner,margarito,paul williams,just to name a few.thats tha norm these days.majority of guys are cuttin 20 lbs

his legs looked fine in that andy lee f!ght
:ohhellnonas:

 6 years ago '07        #476
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 jj01 said:
:ohhellnonas:

manny and shane mosley get cramps also and they are 2 of tha best conditioned athletes in tha sport.so whats your point?
 6 years ago '06        #477
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 r.burgundy said:
and has ward shown he can take a punch yet?

who is comparin their comp?1 dude is 29 and 1 dude is 22

and ward has 4 good names on his resume lol


ward has been dropped before, and im sure its by nobody u would know. he came back and did what he needed to do to win the f!ght. he has fought and taken shots from the heaviest hitters in his division and came out on top. dude is the real deal and proved his worth vs that comp and deserves the recognition he gets.

if ward has 4 good names on his resume like u say, even though most were legit/ranked f!ghters in his own weight division......how many would u say canelo has?

just because there are only 4 names you recognize doesnt mean others arent legit.
 6 years ago '06        #478
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 Adwerdz said:
are you serious? you expect him to get big f!ghts off the rip without making a name for himself, no top f!ghter is gonna give you a shot and make you a star if you don't have any cred. he beat a couple of legit f!ghters who had a a lil cred for themselves, may have not been big names but they weren't a.ss f!ghters.

what do you mean by gauge his abilities? styles make f!ghts, if he fought mayweather next and lost, that wouldn't make him a sh*tty f!ghter. you only judging him by his opponents weaknesses not by his boxing skills in the ring, that's bias. No one is hyping him up he is puttin that work in and showing and proving that he can be one of the best.


off the rip? he has 40 f!ghts and as a champion shouldnt be f!ghting cans. champs f!ght the best in the division, legit ranked foes. he has done none of that since he got the belt. shouldnt boxers make a name for themselves and then f!ght for a ship? not the case with this dude, he was handed a belt because he was hispanic, same as chavez and then given a chance to make a name for himself. so he is proving he can be one of the best by f!ghting none of the best? that makes sense
 6 years ago '06        #479
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 r.burgundy said:
manny and shane mosley get cramps also and they are 2 of tha best conditioned athletes in tha sport.so whats your point?

shane gasses out after the first few rounds


manny had the steroid cloud and the talk has lessened and his performances have been gradually worse and the cramp/excuses have increased.
 6 years ago '07        #480
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 jj01 said:
ward has been dropped before, and im sure its by nobody u would know. he came back and did what he needed to do to win the f!ght. he has fought and taken shots from the heaviest hitters in his division and came out on top. dude is the real deal and proved his worth vs that comp and deserves the recognition he gets.

if ward has 4 good names on his resume like u say, even though most were legit/ranked f!ghters in his own weight division......how many would u say canelo has?

just because there are only 4 names you recognize doesnt mean others arent legit.
i seriously doubt u saw tha f!ght ward was down in and tha dude that dropped him lost 19 f!ghts

only real heavy hitter in that division was froch and froch didnt hit ward at all.ive never seen ward take a good shot.not to say he cant,i just havent seen it

at age 22 canelo has fought tougher comp than ward did at that same age lol/again,canelo has alot of f!ghts but he is only 22 years old

i could say tha same thing about canelo's comp
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