Jury Finds in Favor of Apple in Apple vs. Samsung Trial, Awards More than $1 Billion in Damages

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 08-24-2012, 09:35 PM         #61
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Big win for Apple. The bad thing about this are the pinch to zoom and double tap patents being uphold. Freaking juries, I swear. All Android devices are in jeopardy concerning those two patents as they all use those features. Android may have to remove both those features in future updates.

I cannot wait until Google gets granted those notification bar patents. Then maybe we will get cross licensing between IOS and Android devices. Cross licensing deals will be what is best for all consumers.

At least now Samsung has to get rid of that ugly Touchwiz. They should have never used it in the first place. That is the one thing I do agree with the jury on. Touchwiz is a blatant attempt to make Android OS look more like IOS. For that very reason I never liked it. If I wanted my phone to look like IOS I would get an Iphone. Samsung could have done without it.


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 5 years ago '04        #62
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 DEDOS said:
yo i need to somebody to answer this question what does this mean in regards to the samsung s3 ?!?!!?!??!
wasn't included in this lawsuit.
 5 years ago '04        #63
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 DEDOS said:
yo i need to somebody to answer this question what does this mean in regards to the samsung s3 ?!?!!?!??!
it's not directly affected by the lawsuit but like xeduran mentioned the pinch to zoom and double tap to zoom [patents being upheld, it makes them stronger in court. so apple could go after every android phone, BUT this will go through an appeal process where I believe a jury wont be included (someone correct me if I'm wrong on that)
 5 years ago '11        #64
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 DEDOS said:
yo i need to somebody to answer this question what does this mean in regards to the samsung s3 ?!?!!?!??!
Nothing as of yet. These are the devices that were named in the lawsuit that infringed on patents

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 DEDOS said:
ok these fu*ks better give me my money back if this effects it any way
don't worry. There will be another lawsuit for the III, note, and note 2.
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 fat_boyy21 said:
it's not directly affected by the lawsuit but like xeduran mentioned the pinch to zoom and double tap to zoom [patents being upheld, it makes them stronger in court. so apple could go after every android phone, BUT this will go through an appeal process where I believe a jury wont be included (someone correct me if I'm wrong on that)
this could be dangerous since every android phone uses those zoom effects, when apple push for the ban for this and if its allowed that would be crazy, i dont see it happening but these coming days are going to be interesting
 5 years ago '05        #67
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Jury: Samsung violated Apple patents, owes more than $1B

Apple shares rose 1.8% to $675.04 in after-hours trading after the news.

The $1.05 billion in damages is the largest surviving verdict in patent history. Two larger verdicts were reversed, according to Stanford University law professor Mark Lemley.

"It's a huge win for Apple," says Lemley, who specializes in technology. "But this is one lawsuit among 50 in the smartphone market, and Apple's real target may be the Android ecosystem."

Apple's nearly clean sweep is likely to blunt momentum for Samsung which recently passed Apple as the world's largest seller of smartphones and will probably force it to redesign its mobile devices, Lemley says.

The bigger question is whether Apple's resounding victory "scares off" Google-Motorola and others in the smartphone wars, he says.

Jurors found that on the screen bounce-back patent, Samsung infringed on all phones and tablets. On patent 915, pinch and zoom, the jury found Samsung infringed with all but three devices.

Samsung violated the design patent for the front of the iPhone for all but one phone, according to the jury. On the home screen patent, Samsung violated with all phones, the jury found. Samsung did not violate one particular Apple iPad patent that covers its design, the jury found.

Samsung said in a statement: "Today's verdict should not be viewed as a win for Apple, but as a loss for the American consumer."

After the verdicts were read, the judge sent the jury back to deliberate further on two inconsistencies involving about $2.5 million in damages awarded to Apple based on products jurors found didn't infringe Apple's patents. Those deliberations were continuing.

The technology titans battled for more than three weeks in court over allegations that Samsung copied Apple's mobile device designs and software.

"If Apple patents are upheld long-term, it will force the industry toward innovation and differentiation," says Gartner analyst Michael Gartenberg. "That's not a bad thing for the market and for consumers."

U.S. District Court Judge Lucy Koh presided over the San Jose courtroom. Last month, she awarded Apple a preliminary injunction that could force Samsung's Galaxy Tab 10.1 tablet computer from stores pending the outcome of the trial.

"I think she's going to grant an injunction and a fairly broad one," says Lemley, indicating Samsung's Galaxy Tab 10.1 could be yanked from the market.

Apple presented hundreds of pages of documents, as well as the testimony of scientists, executives and engineers, to support its claims that its iPad and iPhone were being copied by Samsung. Apple wanted products pulled and $2.5 billion in damages.

In closing arguments on Tuesday, Apple attorney Harold McElhinny alleged that Samsung documents show that in three months, it was able to copy four years of Apple development. He said they show "hundreds of pages of copying directions" for icon design and functions such as tap-to-zoom that were put into the Galaxy phone and tablet line.

He also said Samsung met with Google, which advised the company to change Galaxy designs, but Samsung declined.

"The damages in this case should be large, because the infringement was massive," McElhinny said.

Samsung lawyer Charles Verhoeven, in closing, shot back that the documents don't show what Apple claims. "It's a shell game for counsel trying to mislead you," he said. "They have to prove to you with their evidence that consumers will be deceived, there's a likelihood of deception. This doesn't meet the burden of proof."

Much is at stake over patents that cover Apple's graphic user interface patents for touch screen functionality. Samsung, in effect, serves as a proxy for Google because the search giant's Android software powers the Samsung devices in question. The outcome could have implications for patent cases worldwide and for other makers of Android-powered devices.

Samsung was seeking royalties for specific wireless technologies used by Apple.

 08-24-2012, 11:16 PM         #68
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 fat_boyy21 said:
it's not directly affected by the lawsuit but like xeduran mentioned the pinch to zoom and double tap to zoom [patents being upheld, it makes them stronger in court. so apple could go after every android phone, BUT this will go through an appeal process where I believe a jury wont be included (someone correct me if I'm wrong on that)
Appeals go through judges only, no jury is involved in an appeal. So depending on the judge, Samsung could win in court or at least get some of the ruling reversed.
 08-24-2012, 11:17 PM         #69
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 jamega2f said:
this could be dangerous since every android phone uses those zoom effects, when apple push for the ban for this and if its allowed that would be crazy, i dont see it happening but these coming days are going to be interesting
Apple is definitely going to push against other Android devices. The jury did not realize the implications of their ruling. They think this case was only about Samsung when in reality it is about Android. Apple will use this case to sue all the other Android phone manufacturers.
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 1ironboy1 said:
good. tired of these iphone copycats
 08-24-2012, 11:34 PM         #72
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Bout to buy myself an Macbook... time to join the winners' circle.
 08-24-2012, 11:43 PM         #73
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 1ironboy1 said:
googles next tired all of all these copycats
speechless.....
 5 years ago '04        #74
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 Kadillac87 said:
Nothing as of yet. These are the devices that were named in the lawsuit that infringed on patents

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 fat_boyy21 said:
it's not directly affected by the lawsuit but like xeduran mentioned the pinch to zoom and double tap to zoom [patents being upheld, it makes them stronger in court. so apple could go after every android phone, BUT this will go through an appeal process where I believe a jury wont be included (someone correct me if I'm wrong on that)
 xeduran said:
Apple is definitely going to push against other Android devices. The jury did not realize the implications of their ruling. They think this case was only about Samsung when in reality it is about Android. Apple will use this case to sue all the other Android phone manufacturers.
they obviously didn't realize what they were doing, you right it is about android from that stand point that effects all android phones
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 PhI|0z0pH3r said:
That fact that the Jury came back so quickly right there should tell you whats really going on.
Yup...
 5 years ago '04        #77
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Samsung's dumbass internal emails on that "WE GOTTA BE LIKE APPLE" fuked everything up

I don't mind Samsung taking a L on this, except even the damn Nexus it seems was dragged into everything else which can be argued was a product of Samsung's "BE LIKE APPLE" stupidity in TouchWiz UI is being marred into this. Meanwhile Nexus is nothing like iOS yet dragged into this $hit.

Samsung's own self snitching in them internal documents done placed a huge target on having even stock Android not safe from Apple with this huge a.ss victory
 5 years ago '07        #78
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real question can they appeal this decision? BTW why we letting a jury of random folks decide patent copyright litigation?
 5 years ago '05        #79
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 JohnDoe said:
real question can they appeal this decision? BTW why we letting a jury of random folks decide patent copyright litigation?
They can and will.

From CNN

What happens now? Does Samsung have to pay up? Before the verdict even came down, industry experts predicted that an appeal would be all but certain in this complex case.
Samsung alluded strongly to that point in a statement e-mailed to CNN after the verdict: "This is not the final word in this case or in battles being waged in courts and tribunals around the world, some of which have already rejected many of Apple's claims."
The statement continued: "It is unfortunate that patent law can be manipulated to give one company a monopoly over rectangles with rounded corners."
Apple, of course, was thrilled with the ruling: "The mountain of evidence presented during the trial showed that Samsung's copying went far deeper than even we knew."
Samsung has to be sorely disappointed, but it has enough cash to handle the $1 billion ruling with relative ease: It earned $12 billion last year and has $14 billion in cash in the bank.
If Samsung does choose to appeal, it's unclear what timeline that move will follow. The case involved 109 pages of instructions, a fact that made headlines, although in a surprise move, the jury came back with a verdict after only three days.


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 08-25-2012, 03:54 AM         #80
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If anything, Jonathan Ive and his UI design team at Apple won. I'm really surprised Samsung hasn't tried to wrestle Ive away from Apple, he wasn't happy working in the Bay Area and wanted to work more from England so I'm sure Samsung would've accommodated that.
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