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 5 years ago '05        #1921
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 Jacc Blacc said:
1. it took bobby 20 years to get disgusted with clay and only 12 months to get disgusted with jax

2. the feds made it look like opie was snitching on the club and even taking money from the feds to dip out with his family, clay had no choice but to k!ll opie, it just so happen opie and his wife switched cars and opie's wife got bodied.....that was purely an accident...not clay's fault

3. jax dad died because peggy bundy s3x game had clay befuddled.......dont blame clay, blame gemma for that sh*t....clay was just a pawn and gemma was playing chess

4. clay didnt k!ll opie...pope had that done


at the end of the day, jax is still a snitch and a rat, he's working for the fukking feds and he's blackmailing his own people

You trying hard

So lemme ask you this. Did Clay call a vote to k!ll Opie? & for every action is a reaction, Opie is dead because of Clay
 12-06-2012, 10:31 PM         #1922
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Somebody really defending Clay?

Bobby has just NEVER been in a position of power at that table where he was actually able to express his disgust out in the open with what Clay has done. And now that Jax has done some dirt partnered by all his preaching, he's clearly just disappointed in the lack of direction that he's going on about.
 5 years ago '09        #1923
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 Hu$tLa said:
You trying hard

So lemme ask you this. Did Clay call a vote to k!ll Opie? & for every action is a reaction, Opie is dead because of Clay
did jax plan on calling a vote to k!ll clay better yet did he call a vote to blackmail juice

my problem with jax is he pretebnds he;s doing everything on the books while he make back door deals and malicious acts, atleast everyone knew clay was about that life, jax opretends he's something different, a new cleaner more lawfgul leader, its more so the hypocrisy and arrogance in jax i dislike add the fact the crown was giving to him damn near inherited while clay took that sh*t like a man
 12-07-2012, 12:28 AM         #1924
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Clay took it like a man? Is that what you call hiring 3 Nomads to do home invasions, accidentally k!ll the Sheriff's wife all in an attempt to ruffle some weathers and put heat on the club so that Jax loses his crown thus regaining the gavel? I call that being mad salty.

He only acted the way he did because he knew that he got caught and made a deal with Bobby.
 5 years ago '05        #1925
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 Jacc Blacc said:
did jax plan on calling a vote to k!ll clay better yet did he call a vote to blackmail juice

my problem with jax is he pretebnds he;s doing everything on the books while he make back door deals and malicious acts, atleast everyone knew clay was about that life, jax opretends he's something different, a new cleaner more lawfgul leader, its more so the hypocrisy and arrogance in jax i dislike add the fact the crown was giving to him damn near inherited while clay took that sh*t like a man


So you gone act like Jax didn't call Clays fate to the table? And let numerous members know what he was doing? Juice got "blackmailed" cuz he set his damn self up. And you're forgetting Clay got them into coke muling without letting noone know before it was called to the table.

Like I said before Clay does sh*t for Clay, Jax is actually tryna look out for the club in the most legit ways
 5 years ago '06        #1926
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 Jacc Blacc said:
did jax plan on calling a vote to k!ll clay:
He did a call a vote for that u halfwit.
 5 years ago '09        #1927
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 DOOMage said:
Clay took it like a man? Is that what you call hiring 3 Nomads to do home invasions, accidentally k!ll the Sheriff's wife all in an attempt to ruffle some weathers and put heat on the club so that Jax loses his crown thus regaining the gavel? I call that being mad salty.

He only acted the way he did because he knew that he got caught and made a deal with Bobby.
when i say clay took the crown like a man i mean him k!lling jax's dad and saving the club from jax's dad who fell the fukk off and was on some hippie mission
 5 years ago '11        #1928
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 Jacc Blacc said:
when i say clay took the crown like a man i mean him k!lling jax's dad and saving the club from jax's dad who fell the fukk off and was on some hippie mission
So Clay k!lling JT because he wanted out of guns and drugs and wanted to run legit stuff is ok.

But Jax wanting to k!ll clay because he k!lled his dad, piney, Donna, beat the sh*t out his mom, and damn near crippled his baby's moms hand is not ok?
 5 years ago '06        #1929
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I was watching this episode in awe on Tuesday. It was great the way they did pretty much everything. I thought my homie Tig was bout to be done for. Juice is a bi*ch sometimes but, I still like him. I'm gonna go with Clay being the one who snitched on Tara maybe even use it as leverage to get out of jail.
 5 years ago '05        #1930
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Came across this interview


TV Fanatic It's been very interesting watching Jax's scenes with Pope because they may be not as far removed as we thought in the beginning of the season.

Kurt Sutter: I always said that in a weird way that Pope would become this odd mentor for him and that perhaps Jax is closer to Pope than he is to Nero. He's more of a guy who can navigate within the life than he is a guy who's destined to get out.

TVF: Let's talk about Nero because I love Jimmy Smits. What's the longevity of that character? Is he going to be around next season?

KS: I'd love for him to be around. My sense is that we finished this season with it sort of open-ended because quite honestly some of it is just Jimmy's availability and we're trying to figure that out for next season... I just like the energy of Smits in terms of being a badass but sort of being a badass that's perhaps has a better perspective on things. To me, he's a little bit more of the embodiment of JT, that he's got a lot of those qualities that his dad has, which I think is why Jax is whether consciously or unconsciously drawn to Nero.

TVF: And then there's Clay. After last week's episode, he's out of the group, but he's definitely not gone. I know a lot of viewers are not happy that he hasn't been k!lled off.

KS: I joke with Ron [Perlman] all the time that most viewers show up week to week because they think maybe this is the episode that Clay gets a bullet and Ron jokes with me every time he gets a script, 'Do I make it out alive?'

And, yeah, to me first of all, Clay is deeply embedded in the mythology of the show and I'm not done telling stories about him. Yes, I felt like it was time for him to get his comeuppance in terms of the betrayal that he's done to the club. That reached the breaking point this season and there's no way, as you saw in episode 12, obviously Jax wanted it to go a little bit deeper but I don't think that storytelling is up with Clay. I think Clay is not a guy who is going to lick his wounds and disappear. There's machinations happening for him to basically do what he's been doing for his own gain and we see him trying to reach out to the people that perhaps may not have all that much faith and trust in Jax. So I think in the finale we'll see where all that leads and then we sort of see where we set up Clay for season six.

TVF: Things are not looking good for Tara. Is she going to be saved?

KS: Yeah. My struggle with Tara is always trying to keep her real and trying to keep her believable. This season there was this sense of her being committed to the club and that her struggle wasn't so much, 'Am I in or am I out?' It was more about, 'Okay, I'm in but how do I define myself within the club?' But I think we see her attempt to do that all season long and I think the result of the end of this season, what happened with Otto and with that cross, is that I think she sees that perhaps it can't be done. That she's given it a try, she's really tried to make it work, and she's really trying to find her place in here, but that ultimately perhaps she can't beat Gemma.

Perhaps she's not cut out to be the queen and so you find her sort of calling back all those promises that Jax made to her in [Sons of Anarchy Season 4] in terms of getting married and getting out and calling back that scene where she says, 'This is what you promised me, Baby, and we tried and now it's time for you to come through on your promise and let's do the right thing here.'

TVF: Your scenes as Otto were phenomenal. Do you like watching yourself when you go back and watch dailies and the episodes? KS: I really don't. It's very difficult for me and, not to sound hokey, I joke I'm the only one who will employ me as an actor, but it's difficult. I have to do it because I have to edit it. I have to cut it and put it together but it's fine. I love the process. I started out as an actor, so for me it's always fun to sort of jump back in there and especially it was so much fun working with somebody as solid and talented as Maggie. That was so much fun.

TVF: Is poor Juice ever going to catch a break?

KS: I know. It was never my plan, but I think if I follow the reality of the narrative and I follow the reality of that character, to me Juice is just the guy who's probably a little too simple and a little too vulnerable for this life. So consequently he always finds himself in these circumstances again and again and again.

Quite honestly it's sort of the same dynamic that happened with Opie, with Ryan Hurst's character, it's like I created that character and you write that character and then you have an actor who gives you his interpretation and Ryan's interpretation was too soulful and so tragic... that informed me in terms of where to go with that character. So at the end there is just no way that I felt I could every bring Opie back to that table as just one of the guys.

That's the same thing with Juice. Theo brings such an innocence... in sort of an idiot savant kind of way and that's Theo's interpretation of that character so I write to it and yet when I'm trying to find a way out for him I'm like, 'No. He's just too naïve and stupid. It's just not going to happen.' But you'll see. I do feel like that perhaps at the end of this season, not that the secrets won't still be out there, but I think you do maybe get a sense that he is at least initially paid the toll.

TVF: You've said that Season 7 will be the last. Is that solid or are you leaving the door open a little bit just in case?

KS: It might get halfway through Season 6 and I go to [FX President John Landgraf] and I say, 'Look. I don't think I can do it in another thirteen episodes.' My sense is one of two things would happen: They would either give me a couple more episodes into the six and seven to do it, or then we discuss the possibility of a Season 8.

What I don't want to do, quite honestly, is just stretch out stories and do a bunch of filler episodes just to get an eighth season in terms of prolonging the product. Do you know what I mean? So I feel like where we're going now that I'll be able to write to those seven seasons, but if suddenly the story takes a left turn in the middle of Season 6 and I go to them and say, 'Look. I need another season,' my sense is that they'd be open to try to find a solution... I say seven seasons just because I know I can write to that and also just because I know the nature of the beast and the nature of the model that I know that's realistic.


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 5 years ago '09        #1931
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 wolfpack32 said:
So Clay k!lling JT because he wanted out of guns and drugs and wanted to run legit stuff is ok.
yeah...its a motorcycle gang not the boyscouts
 12-08-2012, 09:04 PM         #1932
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just saw pope on that new show wedding band or whatever.. pretty sure it was him
 5 years ago '05        #1933
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 WMYakballzWM said:
just saw pope on that new show wedding band or whatever.. pretty sure it was him
yea you didn't know he was gonna be on that show?
 12-09-2012, 08:04 AM         #1934
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 Hu$tLa said:
yea you didn't know he was gonna be on that show?
no sirrrrr
 5 years ago '07        #1935
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Question: Do you know if Jimmy Smits will be returning to Sons of Anarchy next season? I hope so. I really like him and Katey Sagal together. —Beth
Ausiello: There’s no deal currently in place for Smits to appear in Season 6, but as series creator Kurt Sutter told Meg Masters last week, “Nothing would make me happier than to bring him back… but he’s a busy guy. We’ll probably get into that soon with Jimmy.” Should he return, Sutter has big plans for Nero/Gemma. “I dig [them],” says the boss. “In the finale, when he’s all twisted up about being back in the life, that’s the thing that makes Gemma the most comfortable. She knows what to do with those kinds of men; she knows how to be strong for those kinds of men. So, what does that look like? It’s a culture clash that we haven’t explored yet. To plug her into that world, which is traditionally somewhat misogynistic, could be interesting to see played out a little bit and to see what that looks like. I’d love to keep that going.”
bring back Smits
 5 years ago '04        #1936
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just caught the last episode

my n*gga pope died, hate it had to be him

but i knew jax wouldnt just give up tig like that.

jax played it smart wit that gun

otto is a crazy a.ss n*gga

bobby ho a.ss prob gonna help clay bi*ch a.ss

i guess next season will be all about the marshal and trying to get tara out of jail.

gemma ho a.ss took her spot back

i wonder if jax ever gonna find out she was in on jax pops murder, if im not mistaken, tara knows, she should use that to her advantage.
 5 years ago '06        #1937
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 Hu$tLa said:
Came across this interview


TV Fanatic It's been very interesting watching Jax's scenes with Pope because they may be not as far removed as we thought in the beginning of the season.

Kurt Sutter: I always said that in a weird way that Pope would become this odd mentor for him and that perhaps Jax is closer to Pope than he is to Nero. He's more of a guy who can navigate within the life than he is a guy who's destined to get out.

TVF: Let's talk about Nero because I love Jimmy Smits. What's the longevity of that character? Is he going to be around next season?

KS: I'd love for him to be around. My sense is that we finished this season with it sort of open-ended because quite honestly some of it is just Jimmy's availability and we're trying to figure that out for next season... I just like the energy of Smits in terms of being a badass but sort of being a badass that's perhaps has a better perspective on things. To me, he's a little bit more of the embodiment of JT, that he's got a lot of those qualities that his dad has, which I think is why Jax is whether consciously or unconsciously drawn to Nero.

TVF: And then there's Clay. After last week's episode, he's out of the group, but he's definitely not gone. I know a lot of viewers are not happy that he hasn't been k!lled off.

KS: I joke with Ron [Perlman] all the time that most viewers show up week to week because they think maybe this is the episode that Clay gets a bullet and Ron jokes with me every time he gets a script, 'Do I make it out alive?'

And, yeah, to me first of all, Clay is deeply embedded in the mythology of the show and I'm not done telling stories about him. Yes, I felt like it was time for him to get his comeuppance in terms of the betrayal that he's done to the club. That reached the breaking point this season and there's no way, as you saw in episode 12, obviously Jax wanted it to go a little bit deeper but I don't think that storytelling is up with Clay. I think Clay is not a guy who is going to lick his wounds and disappear. There's machinations happening for him to basically do what he's been doing for his own gain and we see him trying to reach out to the people that perhaps may not have all that much faith and trust in Jax. So I think in the finale we'll see where all that leads and then we sort of see where we set up Clay for season six.

TVF: Things are not looking good for Tara. Is she going to be saved?

KS: Yeah. My struggle with Tara is always trying to keep her real and trying to keep her believable. This season there was this sense of her being committed to the club and that her struggle wasn't so much, 'Am I in or am I out?' It was more about, 'Okay, I'm in but how do I define myself within the club?' But I think we see her attempt to do that all season long and I think the result of the end of this season, what happened with Otto and with that cross, is that I think she sees that perhaps it can't be done. That she's given it a try, she's really tried to make it work, and she's really trying to find her place in here, but that ultimately perhaps she can't beat Gemma.

Perhaps she's not cut out to be the queen and so you find her sort of calling back all those promises that Jax made to her in [Sons of Anarchy Season 4] in terms of getting married and getting out and calling back that scene where she says, 'This is what you promised me, Baby, and we tried and now it's time for you to come through on your promise and let's do the right thing here.'

TVF: Your scenes as Otto were phenomenal. Do you like watching yourself when you go back and watch dailies and the episodes? KS: I really don't. It's very difficult for me and, not to sound hokey, I joke I'm the only one who will employ me as an actor, but it's difficult. I have to do it because I have to edit it. I have to cut it and put it together but it's fine. I love the process. I started out as an actor, so for me it's always fun to sort of jump back in there and especially it was so much fun working with somebody as solid and talented as Maggie. That was so much fun.

TVF: Is poor Juice ever going to catch a break?

KS: I know. It was never my plan, but I think if I follow the reality of the narrative and I follow the reality of that character, to me Juice is just the guy who's probably a little too simple and a little too vulnerable for this life. So consequently he always finds himself in these circumstances again and again and again.

Quite honestly it's sort of the same dynamic that happened with Opie, with Ryan Hurst's character, it's like I created that character and you write that character and then you have an actor who gives you his interpretation and Ryan's interpretation was too soulful and so tragic... that informed me in terms of where to go with that character. So at the end there is just no way that I felt I could every bring Opie back to that table as just one of the guys.

That's the same thing with Juice. Theo brings such an innocence... in sort of an idiot savant kind of way and that's Theo's interpretation of that character so I write to it and yet when I'm trying to find a way out for him I'm like, 'No. He's just too naïve and stupid. It's just not going to happen.' But you'll see. I do feel like that perhaps at the end of this season, not that the secrets won't still be out there, but I think you do maybe get a sense that he is at least initially paid the toll.

TVF: You've said that Season 7 will be the last. Is that solid or are you leaving the door open a little bit just in case?

KS: It might get halfway through Season 6 and I go to [FX President John Landgraf] and I say, 'Look. I don't think I can do it in another thirteen episodes.' My sense is one of two things would happen: They would either give me a couple more episodes into the six and seven to do it, or then we discuss the possibility of a Season 8.

What I don't want to do, quite honestly, is just stretch out stories and do a bunch of filler episodes just to get an eighth season in terms of prolonging the product. Do you know what I mean? So I feel like where we're going now that I'll be able to write to those seven seasons, but if suddenly the story takes a left turn in the middle of Season 6 and I go to them and say, 'Look. I need another season,' my sense is that they'd be open to try to find a solution... I say seven seasons just because I know I can write to that and also just because I know the nature of the beast and the nature of the model that I know that's realistic.
 4 years ago '05        #1938
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Bump.

Just caught up with this entire series over the past 3 weeks or so.

I'm team Clay, fu*k all you as*holes

Hope he somehow survives this prison stint and gets a way out.

He should throw the entire club under the bus and rat them all out

Happy Tara's a.ss got locked up
 4 years ago '06        #1939
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juice reminds me aaron hernandez for some reason
 4 years ago '04        #1940
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 ReppinDaBurghh said:
Bump.

Just caught up with this entire series over the past 3 weeks or so.

I'm team Clay, fu*k all you as*holes

Hope he somehow survives this prison stint and gets a way out.

He should throw the entire club under the bus and rat them all out

Happy Tara's a.ss got locked up


Told you that you wouldn't end up hating him.
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