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 5 years ago '07        #281
24/7foamz 
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 dblockallday said:
i forgot to mention that as well about stat padding. brees is a beast but the saints ALWAYS run up the score on teams. they'll be up like 4 or 5 scores in the 2nd half and still be throwing the ball around when the other team already gave up.

the dome thing is another good point that is certainly a factor.

the bottom line is this and i've said this many times in here already... rating/grading/ranking QBs is extremely subjective. there is no cut and dry method to it. they all are on different teams with different players, different coaches, etc. Eli is a beast and i'll just leave it at that.
i agree i also tend to add injuries in judging a qb.

just for example imagine if vick was the best qb in the league,and rodgers,brees eli etc is right behind him.vick would dip on my list because he's guranteed to miss 3 or 4 games a season.that can mess your teams whole season up this not the nba or mlb you have 16 games.thats why its hard for me to trade eli for any other qb in the league because he havnt missed a game yet in his career...lmao i hope i dont jinx him now
 5 years ago '05        #282
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 SDC17 said:
I don't think it matters considering Eli was just as clutch in the regular season, if not more clutch than any other Quarterback.



You're seriously going to sit here and say that the type of offense ran by Eli or any Quarterback for that matter, doesn't have an effect on the outcome of their passes?

No one in the NFL runs the same type of offense as the NYGs. Tampa Bay will be the only team to run a similar offense, this will be the first year they do it though.

Eli does throw a lot of interceptions, a decent amount of them can be blamed on their offensive system, others can be blamed on poor decisions he made. There's absolutely no doubt that their offense can be risky at times and cause turnovers. I'm not even from New York, I could care less about the Giants.

Football logic.
yea tampa took a bunch of our coaches, specifically gilbride's son.



i think they even got the D coordinator we fired after 09 when our D was atrocious

i think bigc is just stubborn. he takes what i'm saying as "if eli played in a west coast system he would never throw a single interception, and if brees/rodgers/etc played in the giants system, they would throw 30 picks every year" which is not the case at all.

i'm glad you understand the point i was trying to get across. RESPECT
 24/7foamz said:
i agree i also tend to add injuries in judging a qb.

just for example imagine if vick was the best qb in the league,and rodgers,brees eli etc is right behind him.vick would dip on my list because he's guranteed to miss 3 or 4 games a season.that can mess your teams whole season up this not the nba or mlb you have 16 games.thats why its hard for me to trade eli for any other qb in the league because he havnt missed a game yet in his career...lmao i hope i dont jinx him now
another good point. i never worry about eli getting hurt. even after he gets crushed with big hits i just expect him to get up and shake it off. dude is tough as hell.


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 07-31-2012, 11:22 PM         #283
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I'm not actually saying that at all. My point is his offense isn't vastly more prone to turnovers then other systems so its not what causes Eli to throw all the interceptions he does.
 5 years ago '05        #284
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 -BigC- said:
I'm not actually saying that at all. My point is his offense isn't vastly more prone to turnovers then other systems so its not what causes Eli to throw all the interceptions he does.
how is a system which allows the receivers to change their routes not more prone to turnovers than a system where the receivers run specific routes? are you just trolling or....?
 07-31-2012, 11:27 PM         #285
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vastly?
 5 years ago '05        #286
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 -BigC- said:
vastly?
that's subjective. you may not think so but as someone that sees eli after almost every pick grilling the receiver and talking to them on the sideline like "you were supposed to do this, because the coverage was this" then yea i think it is. compounded by the fact the giants have had nothing but rookie, 2nd and 3rd year receivers as eli's primary targets ever since plax shot himself. one being manningham, who is dumb as a box of bricks (go watch one of his interviews) and you got several picks a year simply from mixups. then you throw in the several picks a year at the ends of games that are already decided. you take those away and eli's int numbers are right in line with the other "elite" qbs.

again, i'm not saying eli is better than anyone. i'm simply replying to your logic that "eli is not this or that because he throws a lot of picks"
 07-31-2012, 11:38 PM         #287
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I see Romo do that all the time as well
 5 years ago '04        #288
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 KeepinItTrill said:
overrated: both Mannings and Ben
underrated: Romo
those n*ggas ratings are just fine.
 5 years ago '05        #289
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 -BigC- said:
I see Romo do that all the time as well
you talking about when the jets got a safety over the top and revis under dez and romo throws it right to revis? :hillwhoa:

funny thing is i was rooting for the cowboys that game. the jets were really annoying me with all that "we run NY" talk and was pissed when you guys blew that game. in hindsight that was pretty dumb of me.

the boys don't run anything similar to the giants offense at all so just k!ll that talk now.

like i said earlier. some teams might have ONE RECEIVER have a sight adjustment on a particular play. the giants use them on several plays and not just one receiver and the adjustments can be far more complicated because they aren't limited to "left or right". you saw that pic i posted before? if the corner plays close you go deep, he plays deep you run a hitch, he plays outside you break inside, he plays inside you break outside and that's just in man coverage. then you factor in the safeties and linebackers.


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 07-31-2012, 11:52 PM         #290
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Your repeating yourself like I don't understand . A lot of teams have one option route per play, some more then one depending on the team. You see QBs mad at the receivers all the time after they throw an interception. Even if its not an option gone wrong, it could be a route taken to shallow/deep or whatever.

This argument is pointless because at the end of it you are going to stand by your opinion of Eli not being turn over prone because he plays in an offense that causes turnovers. I am going to disagree and say the majority of offenses have similar problems when the receivers and QBs are not on the same page.
 5 years ago '07        #291
LynchingO-Lines 43 heat pts43
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Eli > Romo
 5 years ago '05        #292
dblockallday 
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 -BigC- said:
Your repeating yourself like I don't understand . A lot of teams have one option route per play, some more then one depending on the team. You see QBs mad at the receivers all the time after they throw an interception. Even if its not an option gone wrong, it could be a route taken to shallow/deep or whatever.

This argument is pointless because at the end of it you are going to stand by your opinion of Eli not being turn over prone because he plays in an offense that causes turnovers. I am going to disagree and say the majority of offenses have similar problems when the receivers and QBs are not on the same page.
i'm repeating myself because you still don't understand. i never said eli wasn't turnover prone. i explained the offense the giants run can cause turnovers more frequently than other offenses and pointed out very understandable reasons why.

there is a big difference between 1 receiver having an option route of "left or right" and all 3 receivers, sometimes the tight end too ALL having sight adjustments that can be 4 or more directions on virtually every play. it is not comparable at all to other offenses. you continue to deny this which is why i'm repeating myself.

anyways i gotta get some sleep. it's been fun.

 5 years ago '07        #293
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 dblockallday said:
i'm repeating myself because you still don't understand. i never said eli wasn't turnover prone. i explained the offense the giants run can cause turnovers more frequently than other offenses and pointed out very understandable reasons why.

there is a big difference between 1 receiver having an option route of "left or right" and all 3 receivers, sometimes the tight end too ALL having sight adjustments that can be 4 or more directions on virtually every play. it is not comparable at all to other offenses. you continue to deny this which is why i'm repeating myself.

anyways i gotta get some sleep. it's been fun.


Again, im not ton the Eli bash-brigade, but these posts are basically saying,

"Eli is better than everyone because he does good in the most complex thing known to man."
 5 years ago '05        #294
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 tazbk said:
Sizeable gap? Please. Ask Brady if he thinkgs Eli is in his class. The man would have 5 rings if it wasn't for that dude. Eli outplayed Rodgers TWICE last year. Yes twice, Giants were robbed in that regular season game by multiple blown calls. Fools act like Eli didn't just throw for 4,900 yards on the League and set the record for 4th qtr TD's with multiple comebacks. How many outdoor/road playoff games has Brees won? Oh, I'll let you know, he is 0-3. Check Eli's.
First off its a team sport the Saints D has been a** cheeks since Brees has been here, even in the SB season they just forced turnovers. He has done his part even in the 3 playoff losses 354 yards 2 TDs against the Bears in the snow in '06, put up 36 points against the Seahawks with no healthy RBs and threw for 404 yards and 2 TDs, and against the 49ers D he put up 32 points threw for 462 yards and 4 TDs. Let's not act like the Giants D doesn't keep it close so Eli can pull it off, which is great Im not knockin' Eli but be real. Even Brady had great defenses when he won his 3 SBs, as well as Eli with his 2 SBs, and Packers had the #1 D when Rodgers won his.......its a team game the QBs cant and will never do it by themselves.
 5 years ago '05        #295
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 24/7foamz said:
thank you i had this discussion on here a while ago dont get me wrong brees is a monster but i hear people talking about eli is not on brees level

brees have 8 games in a dome(9 including Atl is a dome game) then whats the temp in car and tampa bay in november/december?

meanwhile eli have 8 games in that windy stadium and have to play in wash and philly which is cold.

also lets not act like brees dont pad his stats...how many times had the saints have the game in the bag and brees still throwing the ball all over the field like its still a close game
So when Brady does it its cool? The hate on Breesus is strong in here
 5 years ago '07        #296
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 Saintaholic said:
So when Brady does it its cool? The hate on Breesus is strong in here
the only year i recall the pats and brady doing it was the year they went undefeated(reg season),thats why i alot of people hated that team.

i just see alot of people quick to throw stats around about brees in dont factor in that 11 of his 16 games is either in a dome or good weather condition.. brees is a beast though dont get me wrong
 5 years ago '05        #297
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 24/7foamz said:
the only year i recall the pats and brady doing it was the year they went undefeated(reg season),thats why i alot of people hated that team.

i just see alot of people quick to throw stats around about brees in dont factor in that 11 of his 16 games is either in a dome or good weather condition.. brees is a beast though dont get me wrong
His numbers are equally good on the road for some reason in the playoffs the defense is at its worst. Giving up 39 to the Bears in '06, 41 to the Seahawks in '11, and 36 to the 49ers last year. People automatically a.ssume that the offense doesn't perform the same outdoors when its not the case.
 5 years ago '06        #298
hooligun 12 heat pts12
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big ben in the top 5... i'm happy
 5 years ago '07        #299
kakish 9 heat pts
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it doesnt even matter anymore...they change every week
 5 years ago '07        #300
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 Saintaholic said:
His numbers are equally good on the road for some reason in the playoffs the defense is at its worst. Giving up 39 to the Bears in '06, 41 to the Seahawks in '11, and 36 to the 49ers last year. People automatically a.ssume that the offense doesn't perform the same outdoors when its not the case.
i believe it was you had this discussion with before about brees i can give you the bears game in the nfc championship game but the sea and niners game i wouldnt consider that in bad weather.
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