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 6 years ago '11        #121
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Is the reason so many blacks are gifted at music because the slave master bred them to play instruments? Lets take the theory all the way to the limit
 6 years ago '05        #122
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 xrayvisionmedia said:
Yes environmental change will reduce you melanin. Africans migrated to Europe, got stuck and lost their melanin. This took thousands of years, not a few hundred. If what you are saying is true, all those West Indians living in T dot would be white by now.

Do what King Hover recommended and grow and develop. The devil is a liar.
that is all

 07-03-2012, 05:28 PM         #123
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 stlcardinals19 said:
I'm only playing Devil's Advocate so don't get too mad.

But if it's said that athletic ability is through breeding, then what about intelligence? Test scores amongst Blacks in this country are lower than their comparative races, even when in their respective socio-economic status is taken into effect.

Again, just being the Devil's Advocate.
Pretty much true. If they bred them for athleticism and physical traits, that means other traits like intelligence didn't make the cut. Pandora's box has been opened

At the same time, the entire world has people of west african decent, especially in south america. Why don't we see them dominating anything Seems like nature vs nurture debate

BTW african slaves aren't the only people to be bred for their physical traits. Many tribes in South America bred their warriors, as did other peoples throughout history. I also think that the mixing of the races has a lot to do with American black genetics, possibly only allowing the "better" traits to get passed on, since most american blacks(pretty much all) are of mixed decent. IMO I think being poor and solely focusing on athletics has more to do with success in sports than genetics, MOST of the time. In south america, all the poor kids from the poorest cities are always the best soccer.

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 6 years ago '05        #124
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 xrayvisionmedia said:
Right, however the average black man in America descended from slavery. So how come every black man you see in the US is not 6'4' and runs a 4.4. 40 if they all were bred for athletic dominance. They theory does not scale to a larger population
The people that make it in professional sports are pretty much outliers. Athleticism could be measured on a sliding scale where blacks in general (especially in this country) tend to be more athletic. It's not an accident that the VAST MAJORITY of sub 10 100m runners and sub 20 200m runners are black. You can't use the white people don't run track argument b/c A LOT of them do.

Most people that have played sports know A LOT of athletically gifted people who don't advance in the sport for one reason or another. There is much more to sports than athleticism.
 6 years ago '05        #125
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 xrayvisionmedia said:
Is the reason so many blacks are gifted at music because the slave master bred them to play instruments? Lets take the theory all the way to the limit
Lol so many gifted at music? 1. How do you even measure that? 2. Its going to be subjective anyway. k!ll that noise
 6 years ago '11        #126
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 Sheeed said:
The people that make it in professional sports are pretty much outliers. Athleticism could be measured on a sliding scale where blacks in general (especially in this country) tend to be more athletic. It's not an accident that the VAST MAJORITY of sub 10 100m runners and sub 20 200m runners are black. You can't use the white people don't run track argument b/c A LOT of them do.

Most people that have played sports know A LOT of athletically gifted people who don't advance in the sport for one reason or another. There is much more to sports than athleticism.
The people that make it in professional sports are pretty much outliers." This is my point. If all blacks slaves were breed for athletic ability and all blacks in the US were descended from slaves, then you should only see blacks who resemble deion sanders, ray lewis and randy moss and perform as well as them. The theory of selective breeding does not scale.

Dalmations have their spotted coat because of selected breeding, you do not see 5% of the total dalmation pop with spotted coats and 95% of them with solid coats. Selective breeding is designed to promote consistency. Anyone who has breed dogs understands this
 6 years ago '11        #127
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 Sheeed said:
Lol so many gifted at music? 1. How do you even measure that? 2. Its going to be subjective anyway. k!ll that noise
You measure it by looking at the most popular forms of music in the US. Then you research who created those forms of music. Non blacks created non of them.

Is blacks success in music a result of selective breeding?
 07-03-2012, 05:40 PM         #128
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 xrayvisionmedia said:
Right, however the average black man in America descended from slavery. So how come every black man you see in the US is not 6'4' and runs a 4.4. 40 if they all were bred for athletic dominance. They theory does not scale to a larger population
Because slavery didn't end last night, dude.There are trillions of factors to take into consideration.

Are you serious?

The slave trade UNDOUBTEDLY contributed to many generations of uniquely bred Africans, not all of them.
 07-03-2012, 05:42 PM         #129
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 xrayvisionmedia said:
The people that make it in professional sports are pretty much outliers." This is my point. If all blacks slaves were breed for athletic ability and all blacks in the US were descended from slaves, then you should only see blacks who resemble deion sanders, ray lewis and randy moss and perform as well as them. The theory of selective breeding does not scale.

Dalmations have their spotted coat because of selected breeding, you do not see 5% of the total dalmation pop with spotted coats and 95% of them with solid coats. Selective breeding is designed to promote consistency. Anyone who has breed dogs understands this



1. Not every single black person was a slave.
2. Not every American black person descended from a slave.
 07-03-2012, 05:44 PM         #130
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 J.R. Hyphy said:
think about it like this:

SPORTS IS ONE THING YOU CANNOT DISCRIMINATE AGAINST PEOPLE IN.

NBA, MLB, TENNIS, GOLF USED TO BE ALL WHITE, WHEN THEY LET BLACK FOLKS IN WE DOMINATED.

BLACK PEOPLE HAVE "THE BIGGEST LIPS, THE BIGGER d!ckS , BIGGER BUTTS, BIGGER HAIR, THE BEST DANCERS, THE MOST RHYTHM, THE MOST STYLE " ETC ETC...THESE ARE ALL ACCEPTED IN OUR SOCIETY.

IF BLACK PEOPLE WERE LET INTO FACETS OF LIFE LIKE LAW, HIGHER EDUCATION, MEDICAL FIELDS, SCIENCE, AS EQUALLY AS WHITES ARE LET IN...WE WOULD DOMINATE.

BLACK PEOPLE ARE THE ORIGINAL PEOPLE, AND THIS WOULD BE SHOWN IF WE WERE NOT IN THIS WHITE SUPREMACIST WORLD. GET MAD IF YOU WANT BUT ITS NO COINCIDENCE AND ITS HARD FOR EVEN BLACKS TO UNDERSTAND IT AS YOU n*ggaS ATTRIBUTE ALL OF THIS GREATNESS TO SLAVERY. :SMH:

ITS IN YOUR DNA TO BE GREAT, YOU ARE A REFLECTION OF THE CREATOR...IT ALL STARTED IN AFRICA.

LOOK AT EGYPT AND THE GREAT EMPIRES OF ANCIENT AFRICA LIKE MALI AND ETHIOPIA BEFORE THE SLAVE TRADES....WE ARE DESTINE TO BE GREAT. AND THIS IS NOT TO KNOCK WHITES ITS TO SHOW BLACK FOLKS WHERE THEY COME FROM.
Blacks aren't being accepted into fields of law, higher education, medicine and science?

I know discrimination can come from anywhere at any time, but.... Do you have anything to back this up?
 6 years ago '05        #131
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 xrayvisionmedia said:
The people that make it in professional sports are pretty much outliers." This is my point. If all blacks slaves were breed for athletic ability and all blacks in the US were descended from slaves, then you should only see blacks who resemble deion sanders, ray lewis and randy moss and perform as well as them. The theory of selective breeding does not scale.

Dalmations have their spotted coat because of selected breeding, you do not see 5% of the total dalmation pop with spotted coats and 95% of them with solid coats. Selective breeding is designed to promote consistency. Anyone who has breed dogs understands this
Outliers for MULTIPLE reasons. Things such as skill factor/understanding of said sport factor into why certain people make and certain ones do. There are still great athletes out there who don't make it in their respective sports. Blacks are roughly 10% of the US pop and are the majority in positions that require a lot of athleticism in most major sports. Is that a coincidence?

hypothetically speaking, If I were to have children with a woman who was also exceptionally stronger and faster than most women, wouldn't you agree that said children have a much higher probability of being of also being exceptionally faster and stronger than those in a general population? Now repeat that process over the course of a few hundred years and with a few million people and you will see something similar to what we see today. Will everyone subjected to this process become athletic freaks? of course not. But there is clearly a higher probability of it happening using the selective breeding process
 6 years ago '11        #132
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 endless lies said:



1. Not every single black person was a slave.
2. Not every American black person descended from a slave.
The story is based around the ancestors of slaves. If they are black and they did not descend from slave then they would be exempt from the theory.

It is funny that as soon as your weak theory is debunked, you start down another path that had nothing do with a theory based on slave descendents
 6 years ago '05        #133
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 xrayvisionmedia said:
You measure it by looking at the most popular forms of music in the US. Then you research who created those forms of music. Non blacks created non of them.

Is blacks success in music a result of selective breeding?
People like different things. It's subjective. You can't objectively test this as opposed to measuring who is faster from point A to B.
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 Sheeed said:
Outliers for MULTIPLE reasons. Things such as skill factor/understanding of said sport factor into why certain people make and certain ones do. There are still great athletes out there who don't make it in their respective sports. Blacks are roughly 10% of the US pop and are the majority in positions that require a lot of athleticism in most major sports. Is that a coincidence?

hypothetically speaking, If I were to have children with a woman who was also exceptionally stronger and faster than most women, wouldn't you agree that said children have a much higher probability of being of also being exceptionally faster and stronger than those in a general population? Now repeat that process over the course of a few hundred years and with a few million people and you will see something similar to what we see today. Will everyone subjected to this process become athletic freaks? of course not. But there is clearly a higher probability of it happening using the selective breeding process
Slavery ended in the US almost 200 hundred years ago. Why would you still see the results of this "selective breeding" if the descendents of slaves were no longer having their mates chosen by slavemasters? Are you telling me their is a residual effect of selective breeding after discontinuation of about 200 years?
 6 years ago '08        #135
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 ra1n said:




who lost?


*shots fired*
 6 years ago '11        #136
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 Sheeed said:
People like different things. It's subjective. You can't objectively test this as opposed to measuring who is faster from point A to B.
I disagree, however if you agree with me on this point the whole "selective breeding theory" is down the drain
 6 years ago '04        #137
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 ra1n said:




who lost?
 07-03-2012, 05:53 PM         #138
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 xrayvisionmedia said:
The story is based around the ancestors of slaves. If they are black and they did not descend from slave then they would be exempt from the theory.

It is funny that as soon as your weak theory is debunked, you start down another path that had nothing do with a theory based on slave descendents
You never debunked anything.

I still don't see what point (if you have one) you're trying to get across here.
 6 years ago '10        #139
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makes sense from a natural selection/accidental eugenics angle
 6 years ago '05        #140
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 xrayvisionmedia said:
Slavery ended in the US almost 200 hundred years ago. Why would you still see the results of this "selective breeding" if the descendents of slaves were no longer having their mates chosen by slavemasters? Are you telling me their is a residual effect of selective breeding after discontinuation of about 200 years?
Why wouldn't we still see the effect of that? considering they started off with the most fit slaves coming from Africa to begin with. And now you make them selectively breed for a few hundred years? why wouldn't see the effects of this less than 180 years down the line? And all blacks aren't descendants of slaves, so expecting to see this process with all blacks just isn't going to happen.
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