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 07-04-2012, 02:06 PM         #61
SeaJaiye 
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 Kingpin 313 said:
Another idiot lebron lost twice in the finals and only has one ring lebron is playing with a top 5 player and a top 15 player


Kobe has accomplished more than lebron I don't go off of what might happen
you mean kobe's teams/coaches accomplished more than lebron??

keep saying that top 5 and top 15 sh*t but u picked okc to beat the heat

u cant blame someone for not having a ring and then yell out asterisk as soon as he gets one
 5 years ago '08        #62
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 Play4keepz32 said:
lebron is the most talented player in nba history someone actually said that are you crazy????

he is the most physically gifted player he reminds me of shaq at the g/f position

lebron's half court game is avg at best .. he scores most of his points in transition he has absolutely no low post moves ... he has and avg mid range game... that is not talent he scores in transition and because of his physical gifts like shaq

i mean he won his first title with another top 5 player in the league and a top 20 player in the league and people are going nuts lol are you serious...

mike, kobe, bird, magic, etc etc never had that ever....

lebron has light years to go to be in that class
Hey gotta get an advantage som where.

Kobe won his title with most dominate center in the league, only responsibly was shoot and play defense.

Then he wins his next to with really good men over 90 Million dollar in salary per team. When your chucking shots, it's a good thing you got two big bodies on your team.

Even with 2 "Superstars"

Bron putting more work than Kobe did for any of his 5 titles.
 07-04-2012, 02:19 PM         #63
SeaJaiye 
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 Play4keepz32 said:
lebron is the most talented player in nba history someone actually said that are you crazy????

he is the most physically gifted player he reminds me of shaq at the g/f position

lebron's half court game is avg at best .. he scores most of his points in transition he has absolutely no low post moves ... he has and avg mid range game... that is not talent he scores in transition and because of his physical gifts like shaq

i mean he won his first title with another top 5 player in the league and a top 20 player in the league and people are going nuts lol are you serious...

mike, kobe, bird, magic, etc etc never had that ever....

lebron has light years to go to be in that class
yeah kobe never had another top 5 player in the league when he won rings

notice how u didnt even mention bron's passing ability when u talk about talent. stop hatin
 5 years ago '06        #64
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 Nautilus O said:
You guys talk like Kobe is in Jordan's radius. Kobe was a secondary player for more than half of his championships, lost twice in the finals and only has one mvp. If Lebron isn't in your top 10 neither should Kobe.


 5 years ago '11        #65
Kingpin 313 104 heat pts104
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 SeaJaiye said:
you mean kobe's teams/coaches accomplished more than lebron??

keep saying that top 5 and top 15 sh*t but u picked okc to beat the heat

u cant blame someone for not having a ring and then yell out asterisk as soon as he gets one
We can talk individual


Kobe has made more all NBA first teams offense and defense

Has 1 more finals MVP

More scoring titles

And he is the better scorer and defender for his career



Lebron could pass him but he could get injured next season so right now Kobe is ahead of him and he not even done playing yet
 07-04-2012, 02:39 PM         #66
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 Kingpin 313 said:
We can talk individual


Kobe has made more all NBA first teams offense and defense

Has 1 more finals MVP

More scoring titles

And he is the better scorer and defender for his career



Lebron could pass him but he could get injured next season so right now Kobe is ahead of him and he not even done playing yet
so all the sh*t kobe has over bron is cuz he been playin longer?? bron is gonna sh*t on all kobe's records. he already took all his youngest player records

kobe isnt a better defender than bron bron came in 2nd in DPOY voting in 2009 and shoulda won it this year too....................lebron is the more efficient scorer too.

gimme 27 points on 53% over 30 for 30
 5 years ago '10        #67
Nautilus O 18 heat pts18
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 Kingpin 313 said:
Another idiot lebron lost twice in the finals and only has one ring lebron is playing with a top 5 player and a top 15 player


Kobe has accomplished more than lebron I don't go off of what might happen
Kobe played with the #1 player in the league for 5 plus seasons, he also played with a lineup that consisted of 2 7ft starters, a former defensive player of the year and the 6th man of the year.....

And not to mention Kobe beat a "virgin" finals team and barely beat a celtics team that lost its starting center in a closeout game

As a player Lebron is light years ahead of Kobe in talent. Only thing Kobe has on Lebron at 27 is that he played with the best player in the NBA to win 3 chips early in his career.

If the heat go back to back thats already equal to what kobe did WITHOUT SHAQ

 Kingpin 313 said:
We can talk individual


Kobe has made more all NBA first teams offense and defense

Has 1 more finals MVP

More scoring titles

And he is the better scorer and defender for his career



Lebron could pass him but he could get injured next season so right now Kobe is ahead of him and he not even done playing yet
Lebron will have more than all of those within he's done. The difference between Kobe and Lebron.... Kobe was a benchrider then a starter, then a support player before he became "the guy". Lebron been "the guy" since the first game at Sacramento. For the super scorer Kobe is, he's got 2 scoring titles Bron has 1

Stop comparing a superstar to the guy that was sitting behind eddie jones

Lebron been chasing Jordan since he came into the league, they didn't even start bringing Kobe's name up until the 3rd championship
 07-04-2012, 03:39 PM         #68
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How are you goin be the best if you've lost two times in the finals?
 5 years ago '10        #69
Nautilus O 18 heat pts18
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 Play4keepz32 said:
lebron is the most talented player in nba history someone actually said that are you crazy????

he is the most physically gifted player he reminds me of shaq at the g/f position

lebron's half court game is avg at best .. he scores most of his points in transition he has absolutely no low post moves ... he has and avg mid range game... that is not talent he scores in transition and because of his physical gifts like shaq


i mean he won his first title with another top 5 player in the league and a top 20 player in the league and people are going nuts lol are you serious...

mike, kobe, bird, magic, etc etc never had that ever....

lebron has light years to go to be in that class
Who in NBA history has more basketball talent than Lebron? Its only 2 other people in the conversation and their names both have MJ as the initials.

Kobe won his first title with the best player in the league.

Mike won his first with the best SF in the game.

Magic won his first with the 2nd best center in the game

Bird wasn't even the Finals MVP for his first ring
 5 years ago '10        #70
Nautilus O 18 heat pts18
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 1994Nuisance said:
You said LeBron is (or is going to be) the most talented player ever. I agree with you on Kobe tho. AI and VC were more talented (AIs steals per game was crazy) As far Lebron........... There were a few players that WERE better than LB at one point, such as Carmelo. Of course not now tho. But still Lebron gotta long way before n*ggas can start comparin him to legends such as MJ

No not he will be... he already is the most talented player to EVER play in the NBA. You don't need 16 years to see talent, and Lebron's got everything the "greats" had in one package. As far as his will to win, we saw that this year and that doesn't look good for the rest of the NBA.


Carmelo had a better rookie season IMO, but Carmelo has never been more talented or better player than Lebron since.
 5 years ago '12        #71
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 07-04-2012, 04:35 PM         #72
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u guys are not factoring in how sh*tty the league is now and how sh*tty the playoff teams were come on boston took u 7 games get the fu*k outta here


it scares me how sh*tty the league is now
 5 years ago '10        #73
Nautilus O 18 heat pts18
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 Play4keepz32 said:
once again he is physically gifted obviously he has talent but he needs alot of work

name me one player out of all the greats that had a top 5 and top 20 player with them to win the title????

magic no
mike no
larry no
kobe no
etc etc

kobe won 2 back to back titles with pau gasol cased close lol... there is no comparison ill get that out of the way

i will try to make it easier to understand

top 5 player in the league---- top 20 player in the league

lebron/wade ---- bosh
kobe----- gasol (i dont think he is even top 20 but ill put him there)
mike----- pip
magic ----- worthy
bird------ kevin

if you still dont understand lol...

the lebron team he has now would be

magic/jordan----- worthy === how many titles would that team win


like i said lebron cant sit at the table i mean he could get in to serve the goats some food maybe....
Every NBA player needs work, Jordan didn't develop his fadeaway until the second 3 peat. What are you saying? Kobe brought in a defensive player of the year who takes all of the tough a.ssignments and somehow Kobe still makes 1st team all defense, Lebron guards EVERYBODY. How is Kobe better?

Obviously you dont know much about basketball if you think scottie pippen was a top 20 player haha, that n*gga one of the 50 greatest EVER. Worthy 50 greatest EVER. Mchale and Parish 5O greatest EVER. There isnt any "top 20" players on that list. Chris Bosh will never be one of the 50 greatest players. Stop it.

This heat team is in the same mold of Magic/Kareem/Worthy


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 5 years ago '10        #74
Nautilus O 18 heat pts18
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 kainoa1 said:
u guys are not factoring in how sh*tty the league is now and how sh*tty the playoff teams were come on boston took u 7 games get the fu*k outta here


it scares me how sh*tty the league is now
So the league today is not better than it was the last 7 years??? Haha stop it. You think the nets and pistons making it to the finals every year was good for basketball? How is it any worse than when the Lakers beat the Magic in the finals?????
 5 years ago '11        #75
Kingpin 313 104 heat pts104
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 Nautilus O said:
Kobe played with the #1 player in the league for 5 plus seasons, he also played with a lineup that consisted of 2 7ft starters, a former defensive player of the year and the 6th man of the year.....

And not to mention Kobe beat a "virgin" finals team and barely beat a celtics team that lost its starting center in a closeout game

As a player Lebron is light years ahead of Kobe in talent. Only thing Kobe has on Lebron at 27 is that he played with the best player in the NBA to win 3 chips early in his career.

If the heat go back to back thats already equal to what kobe did WITHOUT SHAQ

You really don't think do you?


Didn't lebron just best a virgin team in one one of the most rigged finals of all time?

And didn't lebron have one of the worse finals in history for a star player last year when he choked every game and wade stopped them from getting swept?


Didn't lebron get swept in the finals?




I guess you forgot about that



Lebron will have more than all of those within he's done. The difference between Kobe and Lebron.... Kobe was a benchrider then a starter, then a support player before he became "the guy". Lebron been "the guy" since the first game at Sacramento. For the super scorer Kobe is, he's got 2 scoring titles Bron has 1

Stop comparing a superstar to the guy that was sitting behind eddie jones

Lebron been chasing Jordan since he came into the league, they didn't even start bringing Kobe's name up until the 3rd championship


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 5 years ago '11        #76
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 SeaJaiye said:
so all the sh*t kobe has over bron is cuz he been playin longer?? bron is gonna sh*t on all kobe's records. he already took all his youngest player records

kobe isnt a better defender than bron bron came in 2nd in DPOY voting in 2009 and shoulda won it this year too....................lebron is the more efficient scorer too.

gimme 27 points on 53% over 30 for 30


Kobe has made the all defensive team every year since he became a starter lebron just got his first all team defense in 09 he couldn't even make it to the second team his first 5 years



Steve Nash is more efficient than lebron so is he a better scorer? The bottom line is Kobe in his prime was averaging 35 a season and 81 points in a game
 07-04-2012, 06:01 PM         #77
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Lebron fans are very young and do not know much about past legends please excuse them...


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 5 years ago '10        #78
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 Kingpin 313 said:
You really don't think do you?


Didn't lebron just best a virgin team in one one of the most rigged finals of all time?

And didn't lebron have one of the worse finals in history for a star player last year when he choked every game and wade stopped them from getting swept?


Didn't lebron get swept in the finals?




I guess you forgot about that





So wouldn't that make them more similar than different? So if you want to say Kobe is in Jordan's radius (which he's not) then Lebron is too (not at all)

 Play4keepz32 said:
pippen was not a top 5 player in the league at the time he played with mike is what i am saying also worthy was not a top 5 player in the league at the time they played together

this heat team like i said no other team ever has been made like this it was the only way lebron could win a title have a top 5 player on the same team and a top 20 player on the same team no other team in the history of basketball has had that

kobe is way better on d than lebron he uses his footwork is light years ahead of lebron all lbj does is take charges come on get a grip

and also i just read that t-mac vince and ai were more talented than kobe wtf are you people watching not only was bean more talented he is more skilled has a higher basketball iq and works harder than all of them .....
1. So was Kobe a top 5 player when he played with Shaq?
2. This heat team is built the same way the Lakers were in the 80's. A scorer, a big man, and a do everything player.
3. Kobe is not better on D than Lebron and the last 4-5 years of all defensive teams are fraudulent. Kobe was a "lockdown" defender who use to guard guys like Steve Nash. When he went up against Lebron, Wade, Rip Hamilton, Paul Pierce, T-Mac, VC, AI, Carmelo.... he was lunchmeat. You cant be the one of the 5 best defenders in the league, when you have a guy on your team who guards the best players for you every night.
4 There is a reason that Kobe didn't make all all nba 3rd team until his 3rd year and a reason that all of those other players were considered a better player than him until the Lakers started to win rings. AI in particular was clearly considered a better player than Kobe all the way up until the year AFTER the Lakers beat the Sixers.

Why you think Kobe only got one MVP? He wasn't considered a "great" until he scored 81 points.
 5 years ago '11        #79
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 Nautilus O said:
So wouldn't that make them more similar than different? So if you want to say Kobe is in Jordan's radius (which he's not) then Lebron is too (not at all)



I didn't compare Kobe to Jordan you said if Kobe top ten than lebron is top ten and right now he not if you know your basketball history




All lebron fans got is what might happen we talking right now
 5 years ago '05        #80
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 SeaJaiye said:
the great players know what lebron is about.

at age 27: jordan = 0 rings, 0 finals mvp's, 1 mvp, 0 finals appearances
at age 27: lebron = 1 ring, 1 finals mvp, 3 mvp's, 3 finals appearances

he's more talented than jordan, could get to the rim better, has better stats, etc.

he already got one chip and now there's no pressure. time to start racking em up



appreciate the greatness u are witnessing
You and Larry forgot the finals that he got swept In and the choke factor last year getting eaten up by old terry and j Kidd and sh*t.


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