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 5 years ago '07        #161
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 BALLONHOES said:
Don't you know that making a.ssumptions makes you look dumb as fu*k?

You saying all these things about me like "you believe every government conspiracy" and "you don't know how our current system works."

Fool, how the fu*k do you know what I know? You don't know anything about me. Quit a.ssuming sh*t.
I know this cause I saw what you fu*king said retard, you said not buying health insurance doesn't affect anyone else, that is patently false, therefore proving you don't know what you're talking about or how the current system works. These are a.ssumptions made after seeing you say things. Case closed


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 5 years ago '04        #162
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I got insurance on my job so I'm not really worried about this
 06-28-2012, 09:27 PM         #163
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 NoTitleSince73 said:
I know this cause I saw what you fu*king said retard, you said not buying health insurance doesn't affect anyone else, that is patently false, therefore proving you don't know what you're talking about or how the current system works. These are a.ssumptions made after seeing you say things. Case closed
You changed what I said. I said simply not purchasing health care doesn't affect anyone else and that's true.

You took it to the next level.

You started talking about going to the emergency room and expecting FREE health care like most idiots do in this country, I never said sh*t about a situation like that.

If you can't make money to pay for a service then you got no business trying to use that service in the first place.

And if you don't like that then you would have to rearrange the way the entire world works, because unfortunately everything in this world runs on MONEY.

You probably think that even though the federal government is trillions of dollars in debt that they can actually somehow provide healthcare to the millions of broke a.ss helpless people in this country. Good luck with that, it ain't gonna last long while we're also spending trillions on operations overseas before even helping our own people at home. sh*t is gonna come crashing down hard, and it's got nothing to do with Democrat vs. Republican, we've been going down this path for a long time now.
 5 years ago '07        #164
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 BALLONHOES said:
You changed what I said. I said simply not purchasing health care doesn't affect anyone else and that's true.

You took it to the next level.

You started talking about going to the emergency room and expecting FREE health care like most idiots do in this country, I never said sh*t about a situation like that.

If you can't make money to pay for a service then you got no business trying to use that service in the first place.

And if you don't like that then you would have to rearrange the way the entire world works, because unfortunately everything in this world runs on MONEY.

You probably think that even though the federal government is trillions of dollars in debt that they can actually somehow provide healthcare to the millions of broke a.ss helpless people in this country. Good luck with that, it ain't gonna last long while we're also spending trillions on operations overseas before even helping our own people at home. sh*t is gonna come crashing down hard, and it's got nothing to do with Democrat vs. Republican, we've been going down this path for a long time now.
everyone is gonna need the services of a doctor at some point, and chances are if you don't have insurance, you aren't gonna just get it right before you get sick, therefore when you get sick and don't have health insurance what do you do? You don't make an appointment and wait around, you go get help immediately. The system we currently have is socialist, we already pay for freeloaders, this is just making them pay. And yes it will cost a lot of money, but what would you rather spend tax dollars on? AC in iraq, building bridges and sh*t in Iraq? Or providing healthcare to our citizens.I'm not saying the law is perfect but its def better than having the current system. We spend the most money on insurance of any country, yet we get the least amount of healthcare per dollar.
 5 years ago '10        #165
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 ill 800 said:
awww man yall are so stupid.

fu*k obama. fu*king cracker

definitely one of the worst presidents in history

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 06-28-2012, 09:45 PM         #166
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 NoTitleSince73 said:
everyone is gonna need the services of a doctor at some point, and chances are if you don't have insurance, you aren't gonna just get it right before you get sick, therefore when you get sick and don't have health insurance what do you do? You don't make an appointment and wait around, you go get help immediately. The system we currently have is socialist, we already pay for freeloaders, this is just making them pay. And yes it will cost a lot of money, but what would you rather spend tax dollars on? AC in iraq, building bridges and sh*t in Iraq? Or providing healthcare to our citizens.I'm not saying the law is perfect but its def better than having the current system. We spend the most money on insurance of any country, yet we get the least amount of healthcare per dollar.
I'll leave you with this. The Tytler Cycle of history, it keeps on going round and round like clockwork.

Where do you think we are now in our society? My guess is we are right in the heart of "dependence" and bongage will be coming soon.......


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I wish I could have lived during the last recent time of liberty and abundance cuz this sh*t is about to suck soon...
 5 years ago '07        #167
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 shookid said:
guys calm down. this was all a ploy by Roberts to rile up Americans. The people will, and better, have their response in November. Romney '12.
@ anyone who isn't a billionaire CEO supporting Romney moron.
 06-28-2012, 10:05 PM         #168
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 NoTitleSince73 said:
everyone is gonna need the services of a doctor at some point, and chances are if you don't have insurance, you aren't gonna just get it right before you get sick, therefore when you get sick and don't have health insurance what do you do? You don't make an appointment and wait around, you go get help immediately. The system we currently have is socialist, we already pay for freeloaders, this is just making them pay. And yes it will cost a lot of money, but what would you rather spend tax dollars on? AC in iraq, building bridges and sh*t in Iraq? Or providing healthcare to our citizens.I'm not saying the law is perfect but its def better than having the current system. We spend the most money on insurance of any country, yet we get the least amount of healthcare per dollar.
and then the hospital sends you a bill for like 3grand. they don't just fix you up, give you a tootsie pop and send you on your way.
 06-28-2012, 10:06 PM         #169
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 BALLONHOES said:
I'll leave you with this. The Tytler Cycle of history, it keeps on going round and round like clockwork.

Where do you think we are now in our society? My guess is we are right in the heart of "dependence" and bongage will be coming soon.......


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I wish I could have lived during the last recent time of liberty and abundance cuz this sh*t is about to suck soon...
word, fu*k our parents.

so fu*king jealous.
 5 years ago '11        #170
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 shookid said:
guys calm down. this was all a ploy by Roberts to rile up Americans. The people will, and better, have their response in November. Romney '12.
Don't worry we will be out in full force
























































Voting out the remainder of the Republicans
 06-28-2012, 10:18 PM         #171
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 NoTitleSince73 said:
everyone is gonna need the services of a doctor at some point, and chances are if you don't have insurance, you aren't gonna just get it right before you get sick, therefore when you get sick and don't have health insurance what do you do? You don't make an appointment and wait around, you go get help immediately. The system we currently have is socialist, we already pay for freeloaders, this is just making them pay. And yes it will cost a lot of money, but what would you rather spend tax dollars on? AC in iraq, building bridges and sh*t in Iraq? Or providing healthcare to our citizens.I'm not saying the law is perfect but its def better than having the current system. We spend the most money on insurance of any country, yet we get the least amount of healthcare per dollar.
we will still pay for ac in iraq, now we will also have to pay an extra couple of thousand of dollars for free healthcare or goto jail

we dont win insurance companies do
 06-28-2012, 10:20 PM         #172
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 NoTitleSince73 said:
@ anyone who isn't a billionaire CEO supporting Romney moron.
@ you thinking theres a difference between obama and romney
 5 years ago '04        #173
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 One Shot said:
and then the hospital sends you a bill for like 3grand. they don't just fix you up, give you a tootsie pop and send you on your way.
Not true. I've been to hospital, ERs and doctors while laid off I just filled out some papers and it was all taken care of. Literally didn't have to spend a dime, never got a bill later for any of it. Where do you think this money came from? Your tax dollars were already taking care of a lot of people wayyyyy before Obama came in.


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 5 years ago '04        #174
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 surreyjack said:
we will still pay for ac in iraq, now we will also have to pay an extra couple of thousand of dollars for free healthcare or goto jail

we dont win insurance companies do
I've been doing that since I started working 19 yrs ago so nothing much is changing
 5 years ago '04        #175
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Got this on FB. It makes some good points

Dear RedState Reader,

As you have no doubt heard by now, the Supreme Court largely upheld Obamacare with Chief Justice John Roberts writing the majority 5 to 4 decision. Even Justice Kennedy called for the whole law to be thrown out, but John Roberts saved it.

Having gone through the opinion, I am not going to beat up on John Roberts. I am disappointed, but I want to make a few points. John Roberts is playing at a different game than the rest of us. We’re on poker. He’s on chess.

First, I get the strong sense from a few anecdotal stories about Roberts over the past few months and the way he has written this opinion that he very, very much was concerned about keeping the Supreme Court above the partisan fray and damaging the reputation of the Court long term. It seems to me the left was smart to make a full frontal a.ssault on the Court as it persuaded Roberts.

Second, in writing his opinion, Roberts forces everyone to deal with the issue as a political, not a legal issue. In the past twenty years, Republicans have punted a number of issues to the Supreme Court asking the Court to save us from ourselves. They can’t do that with Roberts. They tried with McCain-Feingold, which was originally upheld. This case is a timely reminder to the GOP that five votes are not a sure thing.

Third, while Roberts has expanded the taxation power, which I don’t really think is a massive expansion from what it was, Roberts has curtailed the commerce clause as an avenue for Congressional overreach. In so doing, he has affirmed the Democrats are massive taxers. In fact, I would argue that this may prevent future mandates in that no one is going to go around campaigning on new massive tax increases. On the upside, I guess we can tax the hell out of abortion now. Likewise, in a 7 to 2 decision, the Court shows a strong majority still recognize the concept of federalism and the restrains of Congress in forcing states to adhere to the whims of the federal government.

Fourth, in forcing us to deal with this politically, the Democrats are going to have a hard time running to November claiming the American people need to vote for them to preserve Obamacare. It remains deeply, deeply unpopular with the American people. If they want to make a vote for them a vote for keeping a massive tax increase, let them try.

Fifth, the decision totally removes a growing left-wing talking point that suddenly they must vote for Obama because of judges. The Supreme Court as a November issue for the left is gone. For the right? That sound you hear is the marching of libertarians into Camp Romney, with noses held, knowing that the libertarian and conservative coalitions must unite to defeat Obama and Obamacare.

Finally, while I am not down on John Roberts like many of you are today, i will be very down on Congressional Republicans if they do not now try to shut down the individual mandate. Force the Democrats on the record about the mandate. Defund Obamacare. This now, by necessity, is a political f!ght and the GOP sure as hell should f!ght.

60% of Americans agree with them on the issue. And guess what? The Democrats have been saying for a while that individual pieces of Obamacare are quite popular. With John Roberts’ opinion, the repeal f!ght takes place on GOP turf, not Democrat turf. The all or nothing repeal has always been better ground for the GOP and now John Roberts has forced everyone onto that ground.

It seems very, very clear to me in reviewing John Roberts’ decision that he is playing a much longer game than us and can afford to with a life tenure. And he probably just handed Mitt Romney the White House.

*A friend points out one other thing — go back to 2009. Olympia Snowe was the deciding vote to get Obamacare out of the Senate Committee. Had she voted no, we’d not be here now.
 5 years ago '05        #176
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 surreyjack said:
I was talking about wait times to see specialists and people that require surgeries. Right now you could get in for a major surgery maybe in 2, 3 months but soon it'll be 1-2 years just like England and Canada.
Man gtfoh with this fear mongering
 5 years ago '08        #177
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 ItAlY2BkLyN said:
Got this on FB. It makes some good points

Dear RedState Reader,

As you have no doubt heard by now, the Supreme Court largely upheld Obamacare with Chief Justice John Roberts writing the majority 5 to 4 decision. Even Justice Kennedy called for the whole law to be thrown out, but John Roberts saved it.

Having gone through the opinion, I am not going to beat up on John Roberts. I am disappointed, but I want to make a few points. John Roberts is playing at a different game than the rest of us. We’re on poker. He’s on chess.

First, I get the strong sense from a few anecdotal stories about Roberts over the past few months and the way he has written this opinion that he very, very much was concerned about keeping the Supreme Court above the partisan fray and damaging the reputation of the Court long term. It seems to me the left was smart to make a full frontal a.ssault on the Court as it persuaded Roberts.

Second, in writing his opinion, Roberts forces everyone to deal with the issue as a political, not a legal issue. In the past twenty years, Republicans have punted a number of issues to the Supreme Court asking the Court to save us from ourselves. They can’t do that with Roberts. They tried with McCain-Feingold, which was originally upheld. This case is a timely reminder to the GOP that five votes are not a sure thing.

Third, while Roberts has expanded the taxation power, which I don’t really think is a massive expansion from what it was, Roberts has curtailed the commerce clause as an avenue for Congressional overreach. In so doing, he has affirmed the Democrats are massive taxers. In fact, I would argue that this may prevent future mandates in that no one is going to go around campaigning on new massive tax increases. On the upside, I guess we can tax the hell out of abortion now. Likewise, in a 7 to 2 decision, the Court shows a strong majority still recognize the concept of federalism and the restrains of Congress in forcing states to adhere to the whims of the federal government.

Fourth, in forcing us to deal with this politically, the Democrats are going to have a hard time running to November claiming the American people need to vote for them to preserve Obamacare. It remains deeply, deeply unpopular with the American people. If they want to make a vote for them a vote for keeping a massive tax increase, let them try.

Fifth, the decision totally removes a growing left-wing talking point that suddenly they must vote for Obama because of judges. The Supreme Court as a November issue for the left is gone. For the right? That sound you hear is the marching of libertarians into Camp Romney, with noses held, knowing that the libertarian and conservative coalitions must unite to defeat Obama and Obamacare.

Finally, while I am not down on John Roberts like many of you are today, i will be very down on Congressional Republicans if they do not now try to shut down the individual mandate. Force the Democrats on the record about the mandate. Defund Obamacare. This now, by necessity, is a political f!ght and the GOP sure as hell should f!ght.

60% of Americans agree with them on the issue. And guess what? The Democrats have been saying for a while that individual pieces of Obamacare are quite popular. With John Roberts’ opinion, the repeal f!ght takes place on GOP turf, not Democrat turf. The all or nothing repeal has always been better ground for the GOP and now John Roberts has forced everyone onto that ground.

It seems very, very clear to me in reviewing John Roberts’ decision that he is playing a much longer game than us and can afford to with a life tenure. And he probably just handed Mitt Romney the White House.

*A friend points out one other thing — go back to 2009. Olympia Snowe was the deciding vote to get Obamacare out of the Senate Committee. Had she voted no, we’d not be here now.

I think that cat has a profound misunderstanding of what Democrats were actually trying to accomplish. Democrats wanted UHC; many of them wanted single-payer or a public option. What they got is a stopgap mish-mash, with a Republican invented "mandate."

And then there's this:


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I mean, he can hammer away @ this if he wants, but the potential attack ads towards him if he does will be entertaining as hell.
 5 years ago '08        #178
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Ron Paul hits it on the head, as usual:

"I strongly disagree with today’s decision by the Supreme Court, but I am not surprised. The Court has a dismal record when it comes to protecting liberty against unconstitutional excesses by Congress.

"Today we should remember that virtually everything government does is a 'mandate.' The issue is not whether Congress can compel commerce by forcing you to buy insurance, or simply compel you to pay a tax if you don’t. The issue is that this compulsion implies the use of government force against those who refuse. The fundamental hallmark of a free society should be the rejection of force. In a free society, therefore, individuals could opt out of “Obamacare” without paying a government tribute.

"Those of us in Congress who believe in individual liberty must work tirelessly to repeal this national health care law and reduce federal involvement in healthcare generally. Obamacare can only increase third party interference in the doctor-patient relationship, increase costs, and reduce the quality of care. Only free market medicine can restore the critical independence of doctors, reduce costs through real competition and price sensitivity, and eliminate enormous paperwork burdens. Americans will opt out of Obamacare with or without Congress, but we can seize the opportunity today by crafting the legal framework to allow them to do so."
 5 years ago '07        #179
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 surreyjack said:
@ you thinking theres a difference between obama and romney
love this response, their is stark contrast between them. Yes both parties are on the corporate tit, but they are not the same, only one party is for campaign finance reform, and im not saying the dems are perfect they are corporate sell outs also.
 5 years ago '07        #180
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that redstate site is filled with fringe morons.

and @ all the repeal talk, this sh*t isn't getting repealed.
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