Jun 28 - Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law

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 5 years ago '04        #121
hockeythug 66 heat pts66
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Is Obama's job plan to hire people to become health insurance police to enforce this?
 5 years ago '11        #122
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 Play4keepz32 said:
I can't wait until everyone who loves this law finds out how much their free health care really winds up costing them... When this law fully kicks in, if you aren't "in" the medical community, you are going to be SOL. Your wait times for your doc are going to grow from days to weeks and maybe months and you won't be seeing your doc anymore, you'll be seeing their a.ssistant. That's if your doc hasn't dropped you and the only other doc who will see you just graduated from the bottom of their class from a med school in Uganda.

Ultimately, the middle and lower classes' level of health care will decline, rapidly, and the upper class will continue to easily pay for the best (life saving) treatment available. You can take that to the bank.

This will go down as the biggest tax ever...

oh yeah, and your prescription drug costs are going to go through the roof, too. Big Pharma wrote most of this health care fiasco and they made sure they blocked importation of drugs that compete against them, especially the inexpensive alternatives from Canada. That's how much Big Pharma gives a crap about Americans, absolute crooks.

i could go on and on

Kids today are becoming cold to the word freedom. Their social skills have eroded to the point that they cannot conceptualize what freedom really is any more. The far reaching effects this bill which was never going to be struck down entails negative sanctions the likes you have never seen as Americans before. I suggest you read it Alphabet before you continue to pollute the cyber air with your sickly ignorance. It's not a simple nuisance. It's real bad. You dismiss it as just another tax when it is not. You have just signed over your rights to live to a government looking to save money and if you don't comply they can put you away without a lawyer. They will inject you with anything they want and call it compliance with the laws of public welfare. Think of it as banning large sized sodas to the nth degree. They will make your life a living hell. Lets say you're so sick you need to start some antibiotics NOW and your doctor isn't available don't expect your pharmacist to help you out by slipping you a few till they get hold of his office. $50,000 fine per prescription. 100,000 fine for the 2nd offense etc. etc. Fines for all kinds of things that will cause the kind hearted pharmacist you knew and trusted to have to pack up and go, while the 20 something professionals at Walgreens and CVS who don't know you are now in charge of your care, and trust me they don't give a fu*k about you and will make mistakes and decisions that can hurt you, because the red tape will be unbelievable.

But the bigger picture that people fail to see is down the road when the MANDATE is added to that you have a chip implanted in your body which will give them a constant readout of what is your chemical status the information of which should be private but the GOVT will argue again successfully to the SCOTUS that it really is in your best interest and will become Sharia Law. Cholesterol getting a bit high? Your trip to MacDonalds will cost you a lot more than Joe thin guy with perfect health. See there will be heavy fines waiting for you f you should continue to disobey a warning automatically generated as soon as your last blood test which the chip will perform comes in. If they find your friends buying the cardiac clogging contraband for you they can be heavily fined or incarcerated as serial enablers for your illegal condition. These are just a few of the hundreds of ways this signifies the end of this country, and just to rub it in they are calling it FREE HEALTH CARE. The truth is it will cost you everything you had left to call yourself free.

The Constitution was the only thing protecting you from this type of government invasion into your life, and with this ruling it has been repealed.

the direction this country is going is now is as clear as it has ever been. Even the sheep must be getting a little nervous now.



Forgive me, I didn't read through your whole rant. I stopped at the free healthcare part, which to me, signals that you are grossly misinformed. The law is called the ACA, Affordable Care Act, not the Free Care Act. There's a difference between universal healthcare and universal free healthcare. I guess you're talking about the free preventive measures in the bill, which in the long run, will help lower health care costs by catching serious illness and diseases in the early stages.
 5 years ago '11        #123
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So is this a good thing or bad I don't feel like going thru 10 pages
 5 years ago '08        #124
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“It is difficult to imagine, that a nation which began, at least in part, as the result of opposition to a British mandate giving the East India Company a monopoly and imposing a nominal tax on all tea sold in America would have set out to create a government with the power to force people to buy tea in the first place.”
 5 years ago '11        #125
Kingpin 313 104 heat pts104
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I still can't believe Canada has free healthcare and we don't
 5 years ago '10        #126
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I haven't read the entire bill but I'm still up in the air about this for a few reasons...

First of all, the hot ticket item right now is jobs. America being unemployed right? Everybody needs to work and blah blah blah. The problem is this is going to be heavy cost for small business's that don't supply health care to their employee's. If you think there's not many that dot that then think again. I know small accounting firms that don't provide healthcare. What they do it throw a few extra $$$ in your paycheck for you to go out and get your own. A business is like a human being. It will do anything to survive. The major aspect of business is to maximize profits and lower costs. Salary and wages is a cost. It cost company's thousands of dollars to insure you as an employee so that's why many small business don't do it. Large corporations do it because they are a LARGE corporations and they almost HAVE to do it otherwise they will lose good talent (good employee's) to competition among many reasons.... I doesn't SAVE them money, I can tell you that. So what's going to happen is (prediction) small businesses are going to be forced to give you health care they can't afford so they will be faced with a decision. Either lay off employee's (more unemployment) and give them healthcare that the government mandates (to offset the high costs of healthcare for your "current" employee's), or just pay the fine which will actually end up being cheaper then supplying your employee's with health insurance. Then your employee's will just be on Obama's care plan with a lil less pay on in your paychecks (since now your under Obama's plan they can no longer need to give you the extra $$$ remember??). That small business won't be able to hire new folks because of this cycle unless they raise capital or profits. This will obviously be a negative factor.

The other factor is Freedom. This careplan doesn't automatically turn the government into communists or anything like that but it does open the door for other aspects that the government could step in on. This ruins the moral fabric that this country was raised on. If EVERYTHING worked this way then we would ultimately have LESS freedom. I admit the economic crisis of 2008 displayed the abusive nature that freedom can bring but is that what we really want?? The government actually telling people what we can or can not have? That's something for you to decide.

Like I said I'm still torn in-between but this isn't ALL positive. I can't really give this a 100% OK until it affects me specifically. There's 2 sides to every coin....,,,,
 5 years ago '11        #127
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You get to stay on your parents insurance until 26 instead of 21



Poor people can afford insurance now




How is this bad
 06-28-2012, 07:20 PM         #128
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 5 years ago '04        #129
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 ill 800 said:
awww man yall are so stupid.

fu*k obama. fu*king cracker

definitely one of the worst presidents in history
Not worst than the last as*hole
 5 years ago '08        #130
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 nando said:
Not worst than the last as*hole
Na, Bush might as well of never left office w/what this clown is doing.
 5 years ago '09        #131
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 play4keepz32 said:
i can't wait until everyone who loves this law finds out how much their free health care really winds up costing them... When this law fully kicks in, if you aren't "in" the medical community, you are going to be sol. Your wait times for your doc are going to grow from days to weeks and maybe months and you won't be seeing your doc anymore, you'll be seeing their a.ssistant. That's if your doc hasn't dropped you and the only other doc who will see you just graduated from the bottom of their class from a med school in uganda.

Ultimately, the middle and lower classes' level of health care will decline, rapidly, and the upper class will continue to easily pay for the best (life saving) treatment available. You can take that to the bank.

This will go down as the biggest tax ever...

Oh yeah, and your prescription drug costs are going to go through the roof, too. Big pharma wrote most of this health care fiasco and they made sure they blocked importation of drugs that compete against them, especially the inexpensive alternatives from canada. That's how much big pharma gives a crap about americans, absolute crooks.

I could go on and on

kids today are becoming cold to the word freedom. Their social skills have eroded to the point that they cannot conceptualize what freedom really is any more. The far reaching effects this bill which was never going to be struck down entails negative sanctions the likes you have never seen as americans before. I suggest you read it alphabet before you continue to pollute the cyber air with your sickly ignorance. It's not a simple nuisance. It's real bad. You dismiss it as just another tax when it is not. You have just signed over your rights to live to a government looking to save money and if you don't comply they can put you away without a lawyer. They will inject you with anything they want and call it compliance with the laws of public welfare. Think of it as banning large sized sodas to the nth degree. They will make your life a living hell. Lets say you're so sick you need to start some antibiotics now and your doctor isn't available don't expect your pharmacist to help you out by slipping you a few till they get hold of his office. $50,000 fine per prescription. 100,000 fine for the 2nd offense etc. Etc. Fines for all kinds of things that will cause the kind hearted pharmacist you knew and trusted to have to pack up and go, while the 20 something professionals at walgreens and cvs who don't know you are now in charge of your care, and trust me they don't give a fu*k about you and will make mistakes and decisions that can hurt you, because the red tape will be unbelievable.

But the bigger picture that people fail to see is down the road when the mandate is added to that you have a chip implanted in your body which will give them a constant readout of what is your chemical status the information of which should be private but the govt will argue again successfully to the scotus that it really is in your best interest and will become sharia law. Cholesterol getting a bit high? Your trip to macdonalds will cost you a lot more than joe thin guy with perfect health. See there will be heavy fines waiting for you f you should continue to disobey a warning automatically generated as soon as your last blood test which the chip will perform comes in. If they find your friends buying the cardiac clogging contraband for you they can be heavily fined or incarcerated as serial enablers for your illegal condition. These are just a few of the hundreds of ways this signifies the end of this country, and just to rub it in they are calling it free health care. The truth is it will cost you everything you had left to call yourself free.

The constitution was the only thing protecting you from this type of government invasion into your life, and with this ruling it has been repealed.

The direction this country is going is now is as clear as it has ever been. Even the sheep must be getting a little nervous now.


N-W-O BAMA

the economic hitman
 5 years ago '09        #132
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 Kingpin 313 said:
You get to stay on your parents insurance until 26 instead of 21



Poor people can afford insurance now




How is this bad
and you fell for the trick too
 5 years ago '07        #133
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 ill 800 said:
and you fell for the trick too
you can never answer the question, prob because you dont deal in facts.
 06-28-2012, 07:35 PM         #134
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big pharma and insurance companies wrote the bill and the dummies in here thinking its gonna be great for them

DAWG WHEN IS THE LAST TIME THE GOVERNMENT DID SOMETHING FOR THE GOOD OF HUMANITY?! fu*king idiots man thats not the way the US operates
 5 years ago '05        #135
white-chocolate 124 heat pts124
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i wonder if they will give the people who don't make enough to pay that sh*t another option?

in Canada if you make under "X" amount of money a year you fill out some papers and send them off
they clear what u have owing, in some cases they refund you.

*they owe me $600 since March*
 5 years ago '09        #136
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 NoTitleSince73 said:
you can never answer the question, prob because you dont deal in facts.
i dont sit all day on a message forum and read through every fu*king post. 20,000 posts
smh im going to bed. i dont need to waste my time telling you ignorant idiots why obama is a sh*tbag and so is his scamcare program that idiots applaud
 5 years ago '09        #137
ill 800 64 heat pts64
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everyone thinks they are getting free health care


thats how dumb you all are. act like you just won something...you should be ashamed of yourselves
 06-28-2012, 07:48 PM         #138
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 Play4keepz32 said:
what good is free healthcare when bye the time you see your doc your dead already....
why do i keep hearing this?

im from the UK and if it is a serious injury of life threatening then you are treated straight away! I broke my arm and was told i would need to have it taken care of straight away.

there is no list that you get added to, it is all priority. if you can wait then you have to wait but if it is serious then the NHS HAVE to help you straight away.

after you are treated then all you have to worry about is getting better and not working out your finances to pay hospital bills.

Now tell me who has it better? I know i would prefer free health care then what you guys got going on.
 06-28-2012, 07:51 PM         #139
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stop calling it free health care you gotta pay for that sh*t
 5 years ago '04        #140
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 StateProperty88 said:
if everyone is paying insurance (or this mandate) how/why would your premiums go up? im not debating this either because i dont know but do want you to elaborate some
The same reason college tuition costs keep going up.
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