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 5 years ago '04        #101
JBeezy 1 heat pts
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 Sheeed said:
I don't get why people are so mad about the mandate especially if you can afford it...God forbid something happens to you and you have no insurance, you know how quickly these ER bills can escalate in an overnight stay? I know no one plans on getting sick, but things happen man. Better to be prepared than not
That's their choice as free individuals.

It's not the government's job to protect us from ourselves.
 5 years ago '10        #102
Bandito 92 heat pts92
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 StateProperty88 said:
how will it effect people that have benefits? honest question there...just looking for a simple answer
Republicans have been blinding people with the mandate, that they forget all the good
sh*t in the ACA. Besides not being able to decline people with pre-existing condition and
parents being able to keep their kids on their insurance longer, Insurance companies
are going to have a cap of 15% above cost for what they can charge for premiums.
That will effect everybody who has insurance and the cost should come down.
Insurance companies are already sending people refund checks for over-charging
them. The ACA also has several tax credits in it, a list of them are here:


There is a tax credit of $13,360 per child, for parents of adopted children.

There's other things, some which will not take effect until 2014.

Some of what people consider bad thing are requiring employers to provide insurance to
employees. But there are tax credits for that too. The mandate for people to purchase
insurance is offset by a subsidy of $5,000 a year. See here:


There is a 10% tax for people who use tanning beds for non-medical purposes. Some
other risky behavior has consequential taxes as well.
 06-28-2012, 05:28 PM         #103
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^ what an idiot

what people dont realize is this actually makes health care worse...longer wait times, medicines instead of surgery, etc etc
 06-28-2012, 05:30 PM         #104
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no job & u get fined for no insurance??? Yeah ok fine away muthafukkas
 5 years ago '10        #105
Bandito 92 heat pts92
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 tj.iscool said:
no job & u get fined for no insurance??? Yeah ok fine away muthafukkas
But, you get 5,000 a year to pay for insurance, so there should be no one without it.
 5 years ago '05        #106
StateProperty88 34 heat pts34
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 Play4keepz32 said:
How people defend this and think it is good boggles my mind... It really does... Such stupidity
and instead of enlightening people you talk sh*t from the sidelines, you sound like a republican.
 5 years ago '05        #107
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 surreyjack said:
^ what an idiot

what people dont realize is this actually makes health care worse...longer wait times, medicines instead of surgery, etc etc
"longer" wait times, we already wait an eternity at the doc's and ER
 5 years ago '04        #108
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 StateProperty88 said:
"longer" wait times, we already wait an eternity at the doc's and ER
The gov't is going to undermine the majority of primary healthcare providers and all the small business doctors offices are going to take a hit. Then it will spread to specialist practices.

Basically the government is going to take a monopoly over the healthcare industry and nobody can do sh*t about it.
 5 years ago '06        #109
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 StateProperty88 said:
"longer" wait times, we already wait an eternity at the doc's and ER
get ready to wait even longer.
 06-28-2012, 05:49 PM         #110
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 StateProperty88 said:
"longer" wait times, we already wait an eternity at the doc's and ER
I was talking about wait times to see specialists and people that require surgeries. Right now you could get in for a major surgery maybe in 2, 3 months but soon it'll be 1-2 years just like England and Canada.
 5 years ago '05        #111
StateProperty88 34 heat pts34
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 Play4keepz32 said:
I have health insurance and my premiums will go up people have to be complete morons to think that your premiums won't be going up and im not even debating that part of it which could be 10 pages long

Its simple your rights are being taken away and people are happy about it why?

Because obama is president thats y? Are people this clueless
if everyone is paying insurance (or this mandate) how/why would your premiums go up? im not debating this either because i dont know but do want you to elaborate some
 5 years ago '05        #112
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 surreyjack said:
I was talking about wait times to see specialists and people that require surgeries. Right now you could get in for a major surgery maybe in 2, 3 months but soon it'll be 1-2 years just like England and Canada.
why would this be?
 5 years ago '05        #113
StateProperty88 34 heat pts34
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 WillScrillz5000 said:
dude just google it. you obviously don't know what you're in for, asking all these questions.
does this mean you dont have the answer to the question? im just asking for people to back up their statements, thats something that cant be googled. you guys are the ones saying it, so i want YOUR explanation
 5 years ago '04        #114
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 StateProperty88 said:
if everyone is paying insurance (or this mandate) how/why would your premiums go up? im not debating this either because i dont know but do want you to elaborate some
For starters:

In particular, given publicly available data we cannot incorporate the effects of the ban on pre-existing conditions exclusions. This ban will cause a rise in premiums as insurers are forced to cover conditions that they had previously excluded.
 06-28-2012, 06:13 PM         #115
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I can't believe people actually think this is a good idea

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 5 years ago '05        #116
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 hockeythug said:
For starters:



so its a matter of projections? but there's nothing in the actual literature that raises premiums no? i have the last page later, have to bounce
 5 years ago '04        #117
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 StateProperty88 said:
so its a matter of projections? but there's nothing in the actual literature that raises premiums no? i have the last page later, have to bounce
It's just common sense that insurance companies having to pay for more things will raise premiums.
 5 years ago '05        #118
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 hockeythug said:
It's just common sense that insurance companies having to pay for more things will raise premiums.
I mean it would be common sense, but not if they are getting more money coming in by this mandate. The article you posted said the mandate isn't enough but that's a projection, I get it though
 5 years ago '04        #119
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 StateProperty88 said:
I mean it would be common sense, but not if they are getting more money coming in by this mandate. The article you posted said the mandate isn't enough but that's a projection, I get it though
time will tell. The author of that article used a report from PricewaterhouseCoopers to go after Jonathan Gruber.
 5 years ago '07        #120
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Every one complaining about being unemployed and can't pay the penalty don't undertstand what's going on. I don't either completely becuz I haven't done the complete research. But from my understanding, the penalty will only be enforced on those whom can afford healthcare but choose not to get it. So if you are below the threshold income wise then you can and will qualify for free healthcare. If I'm wrong someone please correct me.
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