Emeka Okafor and Trevor Ariza Traded to Wiz

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 5 years ago '07        #181
theFREAK 3685 heat pts3685
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 5 years ago '09        #182
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What do you guys think of Damian Lillard? Is he any good?
 5 years ago '05        #183
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 daviddunn said:
Man.... my GM is buffoon...

Anyone that thinks Ariza and Okafor are helpful to the long term plans for this team is out of their mind...
Unless they trade Ariza and Okeafor they owe them 40 mill combined the next two years. The Hornets will only be on the hook for 13 of the 23 mill for Lewis.....Demps>>>
 5 years ago '06        #184
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 Aquarius said:
its about getting better...who gives a fu*k about the salary cap...anyway...Rashard Lewis probably made more than both of them
People who say who gives a fu*k about the salary cap have no understanding of the NBA. The NBA is all about the salary cap.

The NBA is chess not checkers

The Wizards are now better for next year. They will win more games (most likely) next year and they may sell more tickets

You don't become a contender by making stupid financial decisions just to get better. Bad contracts cripple teams for years. You build with a.ssets including quality young talent, draft picks, etc.

The Wizards made a good move to get out from under that Arenas contract. They have now reversed that with this trade. Over the last year they have taken on contracts from teams who want no part of them. ITS CRAZY, ITS STUPID

The best case scenario for this team is now squeezing into the playoffs. Now they are going to be that way for years to come. If your desire is to build a contender this is the worst move you could make. The team is now handcuffed for the next few years

You have to be willing to build if you suck. You have to make smart moves. Being a sh*tty team is not the worst thing in the world (if you know how to draft good talent). You have a number 1 pick (John Wall) to build around.

Being mediocre is the worst thing for a team. You get stuck there. You can't get top draft picks because you are just good enough. Yet, you are never going to contend, because you are not good enough and you have no flexibility.

These kinds of moves are why Dwight wants to leave Orlando. These kinds of moves led to Lebron leaving Cleveland. These kinds of moves could lead to John Wall saying goodbye. The NBA...... where being sh*tty is better than being mediocre (unless Jordan is making the draft picks).
 5 years ago '08        #185
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 respectrayallen said:
People who say who gives a fu*k about the salary cap have no understanding of the NBA. The NBA is all about the salary cap.

The NBA is chess not checkers

The Wizards are now better for next year. They will win more games (most likely) next year and they may sell more tickets

You don't become a contender by making stupid financial decisions just to get better. Bad contracts cripple teams for years. You build with a.ssets including quality young talent, draft picks, etc.

The Wizards made a good move to get out from under that Arenas contract. They have now reversed that with this trade. Over the last year they have taken on contracts from teams who want no part of them. ITS CRAZY, ITS STUPID

The best case scenario for this team is now squeezing into the playoffs. Now they are going to be that way for years to come. If your desire is to build a contender this is the worst move you could make. The team is now handcuffed for the next few years

You have to be willing to build if you suck. You have to make smart moves. Being a sh*tty team is not the worst thing in the world (if you know how to draft good talent). You have a number 1 pick (John Wall) to build around.

Being mediocre is the worst thing for a team. You get stuck there. You can't get top draft picks because you are just good enough. Yet, you are never going to contend, because you are not good enough and you have no flexibility.

These kinds of moves are why Dwight wants to leave Orlando. These kinds of moves led to Lebron leaving Cleveland. These kinds of moves could lead to John Wall saying goodbye. The NBA...... where being sh*tty is better than being mediocre (unless Jordan is making the draft picks).
I fully agree that being mired in mediocrity is not a good look at all, but this is a different situation. The Wizards have been mired in obscurity with NO games on national TV, a player in Wall that looked deflated having no veterans around him and a team that can't sell tickets unless they attach some sad gimmick.

Even with our 22 mil in cap space, free agents aren't comin to DC to be in this mess so they want to improve the reputation of the team for the next two years with actual professionals on the roster and show SOMETHING while having Okafor's, Ariza's deals expire. I believe it came down to Ted being too cheap to amnesty anyone and went this option.

That said, I don't expect that to be the only trade because of the log-jam in the frontcourt and a bare backcourt. If this is the only trade I'll be as pissed as I was when Ernie traded the 5th pick for Foye/Miller with Rubio/Steph Curry still on the board.


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 5 years ago '07        #186
ttime236 38 heat pts38
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 respectrayallen said:
People who say who gives a fu*k about the salary cap have no understanding of the NBA. The NBA is all about the salary cap.

The NBA is chess not checkers

The Wizards are now better for next year. They will win more games (most likely) next year and they may sell more tickets

You don't become a contender by making stupid financial decisions just to get better. Bad contracts cripple teams for years. You build with a.ssets including quality young talent, draft picks, etc.

The Wizards made a good move to get out from under that Arenas contract. They have now reversed that with this trade. Over the last year they have taken on contracts from teams who want no part of them. ITS CRAZY, ITS STUPID

The best case scenario for this team is now squeezing into the playoffs. Now they are going to be that way for years to come. If your desire is to build a contender this is the worst move you could make. The team is now handcuffed for the next few years

You have to be willing to build if you suck. You have to make smart moves. Being a sh*tty team is not the worst thing in the world (if you know how to draft good talent). You have a number 1 pick (John Wall) to build around.

Being mediocre is the worst thing for a team. You get stuck there. You can't get top draft picks because you are just good enough. Yet, you are never going to contend, because you are not good enough and you have no flexibility.

These kinds of moves are why Dwight wants to leave Orlando. These kinds of moves led to Lebron leaving Cleveland. These kinds of moves could lead to John Wall saying goodbye. The NBA...... where being sh*tty is better than being mediocre (unless Jordan is making the draft picks).


Perfect explanation for why the wiz lost on this trade. Wiz fans so used to the garbage EG puts together for a roster every year so having a shot at the 8 seed is a upgrade to them, Im so blown that we sacrificed a potentially great future for mediocrity. NO won because they have cap room and can build around Davis/Gordon with a new ownership change. And people hyping Ariza needa stop, he's not the same player he was on the lakers and cant even shoot over 40% yet people still think hes a knockdown shooter

I'm still a Wall stan even when he dips

Sidenote, Nats quietly becoming the 2nd team in town after the redskins, Ted Leonis needa fire EG


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 5 years ago '04        #187
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 Dun Language said:
wiz back in the playoff hunt plus they got a pick...good sh*t
They have 2 picks, the 1st Round (#3) and the 2nd pick (#32) of the 2nd Round!
Blatche will more than likely be a victim of the amnesty, so overall this was a good trade.

Now they have alot of good vets to teach the younger players about what it takes to get to the playoffs. Personally I like the move especially if we get rid of Blatche and are able to get one or two more pieces.
 5 years ago '07        #188
ttime236 38 heat pts38
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Vasely, the 6th pick in last years draft is now 3rd on the depth chart. Great plan EG
 5 years ago '10        #189
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 JCyclops said:
I fully agree that being mired in mediocrity is not a good look at all, but this is a different situation. The Wizards have been mired in obscurity with NO games on national TV, a player in Wall that looked deflated having no veterans around him and a team that can't sell tickets unless they attach some sad gimmick.

Even with our 22 mil in cap space, free agents aren't comin to DC to be in this mess so they want to improve the reputation of the team for the next two years with actual professionals on the roster and show SOMETHING while having Okafor's, Ariza's deals expire. I believe it came down to Ted being too cheap to amnesty anyone and went this option.

That said, I don't expect that to be the only trade because of the log-jam in the frontcourt and a bare backcourt. If this is the only trade I'll be as pissed as I was when Ernie traded the 5th pick for Foye/Miller with Rubio/Steph Curry still on the board.
Newsflash...they also are not coming if we look like we are about to turn into Atlanta...

Who was their last big FA signing?
 5 years ago '10        #190
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 respectrayallen said:
People who say who gives a fu*k about the salary cap have no understanding of the NBA. The NBA is all about the salary cap.

The NBA is chess not checkers

The Wizards are now better for next year. They will win more games (most likely) next year and they may sell more tickets

You don't become a contender by making stupid financial decisions just to get better. Bad contracts cripple teams for years. You build with a.ssets including quality young talent, draft picks, etc.

The Wizards made a good move to get out from under that Arenas contract. They have now reversed that with this trade. Over the last year they have taken on contracts from teams who want no part of them. ITS CRAZY, ITS STUPID

The best case scenario for this team is now squeezing into the playoffs. Now they are going to be that way for years to come. If your desire is to build a contender this is the worst move you could make. The team is now handcuffed for the next few years

You have to be willing to build if you suck. You have to make smart moves. Being a sh*tty team is not the worst thing in the world (if you know how to draft good talent). You have a number 1 pick (John Wall) to build around.

Being mediocre is the worst thing for a team. You get stuck there. You can't get top draft picks because you are just good enough. Yet, you are never going to contend, because you are not good enough and you have no flexibility.

These kinds of moves are why Dwight wants to leave Orlando. These kinds of moves led to Lebron leaving Cleveland. These kinds of moves could lead to John Wall saying goodbye. The NBA...... where being sh*tty is better than being mediocre (unless Jordan is making the draft picks).
 5 years ago '07        #191
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Wiz should've tanked this year with Wall + Beal and gotten a 3rd pick to pair with Nene and those two

Wiz lost
 5 years ago '11        #192
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 D1nOnlyMrM@ said:
so everyone forgot that we have our amnesty clause and are 20 mil under the cap and rashard lewis contract was more than both of those players combined?

ernie knows how to deal.... we can amnesty either one of them or blatche, use another as trade bait or use them to bolster our lineup. i conclude this to be a rare win for my wiz
pretty sure you cant amnesty newly acquired players
 5 years ago '09        #193
A2P89 2 heat pts
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no max players in the near future?
fu*k the averageness, fu*k a Grunfeld. what the fu*k is an 8th seed good for? getting bounced by Miami year after year.

can't wait for football season
 5 years ago '08        #194
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Hope we amnesty Blatche. Then ill be happy.
 5 years ago '09        #195
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 banga said:
Nene, Okafor, and Ariza. damn. that cap is beyond fu*ked.
dont forget blatche
 5 years ago '12        #196
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 A2P89 said:
no max players in the near future?
fu*k the averageness, fu*k a Grunfeld. what the fu*k is an 8th seed good for? getting bounced by Miami year after year.

can't wait for football season


Yeah and then while we suck for the next two years Wall will leave as soon as his contract is up and the process starts all over again

Tired of winning 20 games a season
 5 years ago '07        #197
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 cubes said:


Yeah and then while we suck for the next two years Wall will leave as soon as his contract is up and the process starts all over again

Tired of winning 20 games a season
hornets,raptors, cavs, jazz , etc all went the same route as the Wizards. Ended up losing their superstar. Wizards main focus should be what the Hornets are doing. I understand wanting to win now but it's a horribly short sited and will burn the Wizards soon enough.
 5 years ago '12        #198
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 sonof504 said:
hornets,raptors, cavs, jazz , etc all went the same route as the Wizards. Ended up losing their superstar. Wizards main focus should be what the Hornets are doing. I understand wanting to win now but it's a horribly short sited and will burn the Wizards soon enough.
There is a 0% chance Wall will stay if we have 2 more seasons like we did next year.

WTF is cap space worth if no superstars want to sign with you?

Besides Ariza and Okafor's deals come off the books in two years anyways
 5 years ago '07        #199
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 cubes said:
There is a 0% chance Wall will stay if we have 2 more seasons like we did next year.

WTF is cap space worth if no superstars want to sign with you?

Besides Ariza and Okafor's deals come off the books in two years anyways
According to your logic, once their contracts expire it won't matter because no one wants to play for the Wizards. So what's stopping Wall from leaving anyway? because you guys f!ght for an 8th seed for a couple of years?
 5 years ago '12        #200
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 sonof504 said:
According to your logic, once their contracts expire it won't matter because no one wants to play for the Wizards. So what's stopping Wall from leaving anyway? because you guys f!ght for an 8th seed for a couple of years?
Is Wall more likely to stay if we go 25-57 two years in a row with an extremely young team or if we go 40-42 two years in a row and win a few playoff games?

There's no guarantee we will get a great player with our top 10 picks anyways if we continued to suck.
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