I Can't Believe We In The Year 2012 And People Still Don't Understand Why 2pac Is The GOAT

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 6 years ago '10        #61
kiddrocay 27 heat pts27
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 the synthesis said:
Jays 6th Album was BP

Pacs 6th album was Makaveli

Thats how long both of them took to drop their best albums in my opinion

I'd hate to imagine what BIGs 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th album would have sounded like, would he have shown as much growth as Pac and Jay?
not really, biggie was actually getting worse imo

puffy really had a strong pull on big, it looks like he would have been dancing in shiny suits soon....
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 kiddrocay said:
not really, biggie was actually getting worse imo

puffy really had a strong pull on big, it looks like he would have been dancing in shiny suits soon....
And this is what I can't stand. Let Big get some creative freedom. That's what I wish we could've heard...
 06-09-2012, 09:45 PM         #63
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so where do 50 cent and Lil Wayne rank if being the greatest was determined through impact?
 6 years ago '10        #64
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As long as there is a difference of opinion, difference in taste of music and different personalities of people, no musical artist will ever obtain the greatest of all time title since it's never a unanimous decision
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 Retro said:
And this is what I can't stand. Let Big get some creative freedom. That's what I wish we could've heard...
what do you mean creative freedom, how is doing what puffy said creative freedom??

it really does look like biggie would have been dancing in shiny suits if he was still alive

Im on your side about this
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 Jinusean said:
As long as there is a difference of opinion, difference in taste of music and different personalities of people, no musical artist will ever obtain the greatest of all time title since it's never a unanimous decision
Well yeah crossing genre lines is impossible if that's where you were going with this. But many consider Elvis the greatest to ever do it at his craft. Michael Jackson the greatest to ever do it at his craft. Jimmy Hendrix the best to ever do it at his craft. Et cetera, et cetera.

Point is, there's not really a need for unanimity if there's majority. People will never agree on everything, that's a given...
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 kiddrocay said:
what do you mean creative freedom, how is doing what puffy said creative freedom??

it really does look like biggie would have been dancing in shiny suits if he was still alive

Im on your side about this
...That's what I'm talking about. He didn't have any creative freedom & that's what I couldn't stand, not what you said...
 6 years ago '11        #68
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 Retro said:
Well yeah crossing genre lines is impossible if that's where you were going with this. But many consider Elvis the greatest to ever do it at his craft. Michael Jackson the greatest to ever do it at his craft. Jimmy Hendrix the best to ever do it at his craft. Et cetera, et cetera.

Point is, there's not really a need for unanimity if there's majority. People will never agree on everything, that's a given...
You just proved my point who do you think majority of people think the goat is?


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 6 years ago '11        #69
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 Kingpin 313 said:
You just proved my point who do you think majority of people think the best rapper is?
...I never said they were correct to name them the greatest, it's just a unanimity v. majority argument.

You call people sheep all the time. So if the majority of people only name Pac due to that group mentality does it hold weight? According to you, nope.

Fact is, other people's opinions don't determine the legitimacy of arguments. Legitimate premises do & the "majority" argument is illegitimate...
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 Retro said:
...I never said they were correct to name them the greatest, it's just a unanimity v. majority argument.

You call people sheep all the time. So if the majority of people only name Pac due to that group mentality does it hold weight? According to you, nope.

Fact is, other people's opinions don't determine the legitimacy of arguments. Legitimate premises do & the "majority" argument is illegitimate...
Everybody has a reason there called the greatest they didn't just pick MJ and Elvis out of the air with no reason its because of impact on that genre of music just like pac and hiphop




I can say Michael Jackson not the king of pop but that won't change anything he will still be looked at as the king because thats how most people feel that's how everything is basically decided by vote If you take 10 people and 8 of them agree on something do you think the other 2 people that don't really matters or will get there way?
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I think people call nas jay z and whoever else the GOAT because that's who they listen to the most when that has nothing to do with being the greatest I can listen to lil Wayne all day that doesn't make him the greatest
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 Kingpin 313 said:
Everybody has a reason there called the greatest they didn't just pick MJ and Elvis out of the air with no reason its because of impact on that genre of music just like pac and hiphop

I can say Michael Jackson not the king of pop but that won't change anything he will still be looked at as the king because thats how most people feel that's how everything is basically decided by vote If you take 10 people and 8 of them agree on something do you think the other 2 people that don't really matters or will get there way?
And some reasons are better than others. Like I said, if they only picked Elvis & Mike because everybody else did why would that make them just as legitimate as someone who actually had specific reasons? It wouldn't.

I can 't stress this point enough. It's about reasons that hold weight. There are none that are flawless. But some have a lot less flaws than others. "Majority" is not one of these...
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 Kingpin 313 said:
I think people call nas jay z and whoever else the GOAT because that's who they listen to the most when that has nothing to do with being the greatest I can listen to lil Wayne all day that doesn't make him the greatest
 Retro said:
..I've listened to a lot more Pac over the years than I have Nas. It isn't even close. Just because I prefer him that doesn't make him better overall, just better for me. Those two things can coincide but they're completely different for me...
 Retro said:
Nothing wrong with that. The reason I pick Nas is because he has a better flow than two of them and is at least tied for the best lyrically. No other rapper out of the 5 you listed is ranked that high in both categories...
 6 years ago '05        #74
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when somebody drop better albums then makaveli album all eyez on me me against the world
2pacalypse now strictly 4 my n*ggaz come holla at me.
 6 years ago '11        #75
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 Retro said:
See you talking about skill which contributes to being the best of all time if you say nas is a better rapper than pac I might agree but when it comes to greatest (impact and influence on hiphop) its pac easily






Like I said before Lupe is a better rapper than kanye but would you rank Lupe over kanye on the all time list?


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 6 years ago '12        #76
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 Kingpin 313 said:
See you talking about skill which contributes to being the best of all time if you say nas is a better rapper than pac I might agree but when it comes to greatest (impact and influence on hiphop) its pac easily






Like I said before Lupe is a better rapper than kanye but would you rank Lupe over kanye on the all time list?

Lupe might be better lyrically but that doesent make him better overall....thats like saying kareem scored the most points so he's the best basketball player. Lupe not fuccin wit YE #REALRAP
 6 years ago '12        #77
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 GameTheory said:
Pac just wasn't that nice on the mic.
ooo.00000 .r.u.s.e.r.i.o.u.s.?.
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 Kingpin 313 said:
See you talking about skill which contributes to being the best of all time if you say nas is a better rapper than pac I might agree but when it comes to greatest (impact and influence on hiphop) its pac easily

Like I said before Lupe is a better rapper than kanye but would you rank Lupe over kanye on the all time list?
You can't change the definition of the word just to win the argument & you can't be the greatest on impact alone. You obviously need some skill to be the greatest & to have that much impact on the culture. Nas has just as much influence as Pac and you said you'd agree that he's the better rapper. Since that's the case why isn't Nas the "greatest?"

Lupe is ahead of Kanye on my list already so...
 6 years ago '04        #79
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i do know after tonight canibus went from #156 to #490


 6 years ago '04        #80
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 Luv Land said:
when somebody drop better albums then makaveli album all eyez on me me against the world
2pacalypse now strictly 4 my n*ggaz come holla at me.
other artists with classic albums have
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