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 05-31-2012, 08:25 AM         #241
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 Im Soo Special said:
except pac is a worldwide legend

from mexico to africa he's well known, liked, and respected

so fu*k a hater. pac > ya fav rapper and ur worthless a.sses


get over it
Hitler is also a worldwide legend, does that make him awesome?

If Pac was still alive he'd have the most loyal cult, ha
 6 years ago '09        #242
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 dlettern said:
We clearly have opposing opinions on this man. I just finished listening to Pusha's Exodus track and I can't help but to think about PAC when listening. Homeboy ran with bloods that never really had his back in the end.

There have been several interviews that confirm Snoop and PAC weren't even on speaking terms when he died. PAC hated Dre for working on the Firm album. All this hate was unneccessary. By your rationale, he was right in dissing an entire coast because of what people said in interviews? That was a good enough reason to start a divisive Civil War?

PAC fans claim he was such a G, yet they protect his strategy of banging on wax cuz his enemies were too powerful to confront personally?....Do you feel the same about the contemporary rappers who make a living off of dissing other?....that ain't real brotha. He sold his people out for some paper.
except Pac aint even start a "civil war". he dissed rappers from the East Coast that took shots at him while he was locked up, he had more then enough reasons to address them. add in da fact he wasnt too happy after bein shot up 5 times and set up for a fake r*pe crime that he ended up doin time for.

nobody claimin he was "such a G" except the n*ggas arguin against him in this thread. and lol @ Biggie, Puffy, Nas, Jay Z, Mobb Deep, Chino XL, etc. bein too powerful to address personally. only n*ggas that were debatable were Jack and Henchmen, maybe they were too powerful but prolly not even. Pac punked Nas in NYC (snoop said so himself son), Jay Z would be dippin from nightclubs if he heard Pac & Suge were stoppin by, Chino was apologizin n sh*t for callin out Pac, Mobb Deep is pu*sy everybody know that, and Pac already got in Puff and Biggie face wit his entourage after the soul train awards. he wasnt scared of them n*ggas lol Biggie was half phony growin up Pac knew that n*gga inside and out.
 6 years ago '09        #243
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 dlettern said:
"Real n*ggaz do real things" - Biggie never discussed his beefs on wax (he had numerous rap beefs that he never even talked about publicly. These beefs came to light after his death), his stripes have been confirmed by Brooklyn (he was well known thought BK for his exploits before he started rapping), biggie's persona never changed from the beginning of his career as the character he was on his albums was actually him, and finally Biggie died in LA cuz he wanted to go and show LA he had love for them and put his life on the line to prove it.....I can't see you saying any of the above about Pac.
lol what you talkin about? Biggie took his lyrical content for RTD from Pac. this is well known. not the rhymin style, flow, delivery, but the lyrical content. and by the way Biggie never discussed his beefs? come on n*gga. he had a song comin out to Pac after he died. i dont care how much u like Biggie homie, the fact he had a Pac diss planned after his death and was too pu*sy to answer back while he was alive is some b*tch n*gga sh*t straight up. and kick in the door was a diss to several other rappers as well, Biggie was gon be discussin his beefs on wax.

and Biggie's stripes? n*gga was an ordinary street hustler who lived wit his f*ckin moms in a stable home & location throughout his childhood and teens. n*gga couldnt leave his stoop till what, age 10? you know by his weight that the n*gga never starved, always havin the lastest SNES ninento sh*t, he was known for gettin whatever he wanted as a child. had a chance to go to school in one solid location, then had Pac introduce him to the rap game; get him his first shows, teach him the concepts of game (Rap for b*tches, dont rap for the n*ggas), all of that.

Pac's mom was around. Plus having an absintee mother doesn't validate you as a street dude. Biggie came from a great home and was more street than 90% of Hip Hop out right now. Your family has nothing to do with what's in your heart and the situation life puts you in.
lol iight. so havin no father, or mother as a matter of fact for part of ur childhood, havin to move from Harlem, to Baltimore, to Marin City aint any rougher then bein in a great home wit a drug free mother? it aint validate him as a street dude, what validated Pac as a street dude was bein broke as f*ck and bein forced to chill in the streets wit drug dealers because his moms couldn't take care of him.

Biggie was negative on wax when he spoke about his own exploits and experiences. He never claimed to be a militant Black Panther like Pac. Biggie didn't start out as a dancer/guest rapper. He was a G from the beginning. Even still, he had numerous tracks where he's very positive in a non hyprocritical way.
your version of Biggie dont exist. Biggie wasnt no G from the beginning. n*gga couldn't even get a b*tch before he got money/famous, couldnt leave his stoop till he hit double digits and did a lot of fraudulent sh*t to the n*gga that got him into the game cuz he was too busy bein Puffy's puppet. and how many positive tracks Biggie have? on the real? literally almost every track he made was about death or drugs; f*ck outta here.

and btw Biggie set himself up in LA freestylin a Long Kiss Goodnight verse wit an obvious Pac diss in it, goin down there just 6 months after Pacs death wit no vest on and partyin, lol im sorry thats ridiculous. he was gettin death threats all day and sh*t, dumbass decision.
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 MakaveliToDon91 said:
lol what you talkin about? Biggie took his lyrical content for RTD from Pac. this is well known. not the rhymin style, flow, delivery, but the lyrical content. and by the way Biggie never discussed his beefs? come on n*gga. he had a song comin out to Pac after he died. i dont care how much u like Biggie homie, the fact he had a Pac diss planned after his death and was too pu*sy to answer back while he was alive is some b*tch n*gga sh*t straight up. and kick in the door was a diss to several other rappers as well, Biggie was gon be discussin his beefs on wax.

and Biggie's stripes? n*gga was an ordinary street hustler who lived wit his f*ckin moms in a stable home & location throughout his childhood and teens. n*gga couldnt leave his stoop till what, age 10? you know by his weight that the n*gga never starved, always havin the lastest SNES ninento sh*t, he was known for gettin whatever he wanted as a child. had a chance to go to school in one solid location, then had Pac introduce him to the rap game; get him his first shows, teach him the concepts of game (Rap for b*tches, dont rap for the n*ggas), all of that.



lol iight. so havin no father, or mother as a matter of fact for part of ur childhood, havin to move from Harlem, to Baltimore, to Marin City aint any rougher then bein in a great home wit a drug free mother? it aint validate him as a street dude, what validated Pac as a street dude was bein broke as f*ck and bein forced to chill in the streets wit drug dealers because his moms couldn't take care of him.



your version of Biggie dont exist. Biggie wasnt no G from the beginning. n*gga couldn't even get a b*tch before he got money/famous, couldnt leave his stoop till he hit double digits and did a lot of fraudulent sh*t to the n*gga that got him into the game cuz he was too busy bein Puffy's puppet. and how many positive tracks Biggie have? on the real? literally almost every track he made was about death or drugs; f*ck outta here.

and btw Biggie set himself up in LA freestylin a Long Kiss Goodnight verse wit an obvious Pac diss in it, goin down there just 6 months after Pacs death wit no vest on and partyin, lol im sorry thats ridiculous. he was gettin death threats all day and sh*t, dumbass decision.
pac got robbed by some g's,moved to anotha coast,blamed his homie,both dead because of it,end of story
 05-31-2012, 02:25 PM         #245
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 dlettern said:
"Real n*ggaz do real things" - Biggie never discussed his beefs on wax (he had numerous rap beefs that he never even talked about publicly. These beefs came to light after his death), his stripes have been confirmed by Brooklyn (he was well known thought BK for his exploits before he started rapping), biggie's persona never changed from the beginning of his career as the character he was on his albums was actually him, and finally Biggie died in LA cuz he wanted to go and show LA he had love for them and put his life on the line to prove it.....I can't see you saying any of the above about Pac.

Pac's mom was around. Plus having an absintee mother doesn't validate you as a street dude. Biggie came from a great home and was more street than 90% of Hip Hop out right now. Your family has nothing to do with what's in your heart and the situation life puts you in.

BIG was a grade A student who was fascinated by gangstas, he wanted to be something he never was. His moms pulled his card about how much her son lied on songs about being poor and eating sardines for dinner. She said she was very upset when she heard her son making her out to be a bad mother and the false upbringing in his raps about in his songs

BIG knew better, his moms wasnt a junkie, his moms was a teacher, her job involved disciplining kids, BIG however wanted to be something he wasnt and created this fantasy life.\

When BIG signed to Badboy, Puff crafted BIGs new persona, told him how to write songs, champaign sippin, ladies man, frank white aka Biggy, in reality before he met Puff, he was just a scruffy a.ss bum who rapped 500 bars about suicide and rolled around with a 14 year old gay kid by the name of Cease


Pac was being targeted by FEDS age 10, they'd harass him trying to get info about his step pops and uncles, pull him out of school and threaten him infront of his lil sister....BIG life was luxury compared to Pac. The fact is Pac was from a family of k!llers, so he wasnt gonna get an easy ride with the authorities


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 6 years ago '09        #246
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 r.burgundy said:
pac got robbed by some g's,moved to anotha coast,blamed his homie,both dead because of it,end of story
we tryna have a real argument, next time grown folks talkin close yo mouth
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 the synthesis said:
BIG was a grade A student who was fascinated by gangstas, he wanted to be something he never was. His moms pulled his card about how much her son lied on songs about being poor and eating sardines for dinner. She said she was very upset when she heard her son making her out to be a bad mother and the false upbringing in his raps about in his songs

BIG knew better, his moms wasnt a junkie, his moms was a teacher, her job involved disciplining kids, BIG however wanted to be something he wasnt and created this fantasy life.\

When BIG signed to Badboy, Puff crafted BIGs new persona, told him how to write songs, champaign sippin, ladies man, frank white aka Biggy, in reality before he met Puff, he was just a scruffy a.ss bum who rapped 500 bars about suicide and rolled around with a 14 year old gay kid by the name of Cease


Pac was being targeted by FEDS age 10, they'd harass him trying to get info about his step pops and uncles, pull him out of school and threaten him infront of his lil sister....BIG life was luxury compared to Pac. The fact is Pac was from a family of k!llers, so he wasnt gonna get an easy ride with the authorities
what was she supposed to say.my son was a criminal and i couldnt afford anything lol.big story is typical.u think jack and henchman come from refugee camps lol.but again your from europe and u dont undastand life ova here

isnt this tha stuff that tupac and his stans claim that pac taught big?
what was pac before he started rappin?o,thats right,a ballerina
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 MakaveliToDon91 said:
we tryna have a real argument, next time grown folks talkin close yo mouth
there is no real argument to have.u makin up a buncha sh*t,and he's speakin from a perspective of a conscious brotha,which u dont seem to understand.in here comparin pac to malcom x

bottom line is,pacs reckleness got both of them k!lled.end of story
 05-31-2012, 02:55 PM         #249
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 r.burgundy said:
what was she supposed to say.my son was a criminal and i couldnt afford anything lol.big story is typical.u think jack and henchman come from refugee camps lol.but again your from europe and u dont undastand life ova here

isnt this tha stuff that tupac and his stans claim that pac taught big?
what was pac before he started rappin?o,thats right,a ballerina
This pretty much sums it up. Pablo Escobar grew up with his family who cared for him, does that make him less of a G? Same with Gotti, Supreme, a lot of other well known Gs. Being an orphan doesn't make you tough.

You really expect Big's mom to disrespect his name? You let Pac's mother tell it, he was an angel too.

BIG has countless people from his neighborhood vouching his story. I don't need to a.ssume, they're telling his story. To a.ssume he was a lame cuz he's chubby, smart, and with his momma is ignorant.

He stole his content from Pac? How so? Pac never grew up in BK. that's bananas. That's not even factual.
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 dlettern said:
This pretty much sums it up. Pablo Escobar grew up with his family who cared for him, does that make him less of a G? Same with Gotti, Supreme, a lot of other well known Gs. Being an orphan doesn't make you tough.

You really expect Big's mom to disrespect his name? You let Pac's mother tell it, he was an angel too.

BIG has countless people from his neighborhood vouching his story. I don't need to a.ssume, they're telling his story. To a.ssume he was a lame cuz he's chubby, smart, and with his momma is ignorant.

He stole his content from Pac? How so? Pac never grew up in BK. that's bananas. That's not even factual.
pac is like jim jones to these sheep.they definitely woulda drank that kool aid
 05-31-2012, 03:20 PM         #251
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 r.burgundy said:
what was she supposed to say.my son was a criminal and i couldnt afford anything lol.big story is typical.u think jack and henchman come from refugee camps lol.but again your from europe and u dont undastand life ova here

isnt this tha stuff that tupac and his stans claim that pac taught big?
what was pac before he started rappin?o,thats right,a ballerina
she told the truth about him, you dont get obese eating sardines for dinner

BIG never went without 6 meals, his moms always put money in his pocket, he was a A grade student, he just wanted to hang with bummy a.ss dboys to be something he wasnt

his raps are fantasy, all his gangsta songs on his two albums are stories he heard from people he met through Puff

BIGGY frauds
 05-31-2012, 03:25 PM         #252
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lol@ comparing BIGGY to Pablo Escobar and John Gotti

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 the synthesis said:
she told the truth about him, you dont get obese eating sardines for dinner

BIG never went without 6 meals, his moms always put money in his pocket, he was a A grade student, he just wanted to hang with bummy a.ss dboys to be something he wasnt

his raps are fantasy, all his gangsta songs on his two albums are stories he heard from people he met through Puff

BIGGY frauds
what kinda student u think pac was.seems like he would be grade A to me.u goin to a school like baltimore school for tha arts,u gotta be a great student

puff introduced him to jack,henchman,gutta,droc lol.ok sure buddy
 05-31-2012, 04:41 PM         #254
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 r.burgundy said:
what kinda student u think pac was.seems like he would be grade A to me.u goin to a school like baltimore school for tha arts,u gotta be a great student

puff introduced him to jack,henchman,gutta,droc lol.ok sure buddy
Pac probably was a A grade student, only difference between him and BIG was he got pulled out of school, he moved from town to town, he worked 2 jobs, he was dirt poor, and his moms was hooked on crack and in a abusive relationship and kicked him out the crib

BIG ate 6 fresh meals a day, he had the latest clothes, his moms had a very good paying job, they also rented out rooms in the crib, so they had extra income. BIG aint have to work, he aint have to sell drugs, however he didnt want to embrace his privileged background

BIG wasnt sh*t until he met Puff, he cudnt even write a decent song..
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It's 1996 in here
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 the synthesis said:
Pac probably was a A grade student, only difference between him and BIG was he got pulled out of school, he moved from town to town, he worked 2 jobs, he was dirt poor, and his moms was hooked on crack and in a abusive relationship and kicked him out the crib

BIG ate 6 fresh meals a day, he had the latest clothes, his moms had a very good paying job, they also rented out rooms in the crib, so they had extra income. BIG aint have to work, he aint have to sell drugs, however he didnt want to embrace his privileged background

BIG wasnt sh*t until he met Puff, he cudnt even write a decent song..
uh sure buddy.so u gonna dispute everything tupac said in dear mama and keep ya head up lol.i dont think pac would appreciate that

teachers makin 30k a year is privileged
i got a real question tho,does tha hip hop crowd in europe like pacs music?
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 the synthesis said:
Pac probably was a A grade student, only difference between him and BIG was he got pulled out of school, he moved from town to town, he worked 2 jobs, he was dirt poor, and his moms was hooked on crack and in a abusive relationship and kicked him out the crib

BIG ate 6 fresh meals a day, he had the latest clothes, his moms had a very good paying job, they also rented out rooms in the crib, so they had extra income. BIG aint have to work, he aint have to sell drugs, however he didnt want to embrace his privileged background

BIG wasnt sh*t until he met Puff, he cudnt even write a decent song..
whats wrong with having a moms with a job

all rappers had to go through the life pac went through to be validated

pac wasnt a real g lets face it he tried to run with hatian and tut and jimmy and got shot up and ran to suge

now suge comes from a 2 parent home sh*t suge even graduated from college and thats the guy pac ran to

hatian and them had the streets where biggie was

so to say biggie ran brooklyn i doubt it
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In March 1993, there was an incident between Tupac and Allen at a music video shoot which resulted in Tupac being convicted of a.ssault and battery. “The biggest misnomer is that me and Tupac got into any f!ght. It was me and 12 Crips that he got to jump me. He didn’t do sh*t,” Allen claims. “Tupac didn’t lay a hand on me. I had my hands on him. But there was not a physical f!ght between me and Tupac. It was a physical f!ght between me and 12 gangbangers. I believe they are called the Rolling 40s and they rolled me up pretty good.”

Allen adds: “Tupac was an artist. Tupac was not a gangbanger. Tupac could not f!ght to save his motherfu*king life. I know that for a fact. He was an immensely gifted person and he was far, far, far from a thug.” He lets out a deep sigh. “I think that’s just years of frustration that just came out.”
 05-31-2012, 08:10 PM         #259
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 El Fuerte said:
In March 1993, there was an incident between Tupac and Allen at a music video shoot which resulted in Tupac being convicted of a.ssault and battery. “The biggest misnomer is that me and Tupac got into any f!ght. It was me and 12 Crips that he got to jump me. He didn’t do sh*t,” Allen claims. “Tupac didn’t lay a hand on me. I had my hands on him. But there was not a physical f!ght between me and Tupac. It was a physical f!ght between me and 12 gangbangers. I believe they are called the Rolling 40s and they rolled me up pretty good.”

Allen adds: “Tupac was an artist. Tupac was not a gangbanger. Tupac could not f!ght to save his motherfu*king life. I know that for a fact. He was an immensely gifted person and he was far, far, far from a thug.” He lets out a deep sigh. “I think that’s just years of frustration that just came out.”

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Tupac beat the sh*t out of Allen and Allen Hughes testified that in court, why you think they sent Pac in pen for 30 days...

Pac admitted he did it, Pac also said after he whooped Allens a.ss, Allen tried to run away and got chased down by some G's who further whooped his a.ss ..Pac cant help it him some dudes with him wanted a piece of the a.ss

Allen Hughes wanted to f!ght though, then after he took a few punches he decided that sh*t werent for him and started running, so he got chased down, thats how the street sh*t go, u never run, unless ur 100% sure u can escape

Pacs biggest mistake was admitting he beat Allen Hughes up on TV, otherwise it was just his word against theirs...


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 05-31-2012, 08:41 PM         #260
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 r.burgundy said:
uh sure buddy.so u gonna dispute everything tupac said in dear mama and keep ya head up lol.i dont think pac would appreciate that

teachers makin 30k a year is privileged
i got a real question tho,does tha hip hop crowd in europe like pacs music?
who here disputing what pac said in Dear Mamma? that song further validates what i said, was pac dirt broke? yes, was pac kicked out the crib? yes, was pacs moms hooked on crack? yes

now lets see BIGGY Smallz momma was a teacher, who had two incomes, Biggy never ate sardines for dinner, his mom always spoiled him rotten, he always had pocket money in his pocket, yet you want meto believe Biggy was a gangsta who ran BK , and fu*ked kids inthe a.ss before throwing them over a bridge?

Biggy is the definition of a studio gangsta
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