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 6 years ago '12        #141
AceBoogie 45 heat pts45
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 EnlightenMe said:
i wasn't glossing over the fact that kobe hasn't led the league in PER. i was just pointing out timmy's career in PER because it seemed like you were making a point for timmy by downplaying kobe's 05-06 season.

and what's my problem with PER? i mean if you look at my post and base your opinions on PER you will draw some strange conclusions like nowtizki is better than bird and olajuwon for example. jason kidd isn't considered an all star player by PER standards with the exception of 1 season in his entire career. jason kidd might be the 2nd greatest point guard of all time (at worst he's 3rd). don't you find it funny that the two greatest players of their era haven't led the league in this bullsh*t stat that's supposed to tell us who the best players are?

there are a lot of articles online about the flaws of PER, but i'll only bring up a few points. I'll keep it as short as i can while explaining myself properly.

PER is a biased metric. it only takes into account plays that end in an "event". an event being a steal, a fga, free throws etc. basically everything you could find on a box score. there are positive events (made shots, a.ssists, etc.) and negative events (turnovers, shots missed, etc) anyone who knows basketball there is way more to basketball than this especially on the defensive end of the floor (pressuring a ball handler, forcing an opposing player into a bad shot, etc). just an example, it will reward players who accumulate steals and blocks although they aren't good defenders. for example, iverson was a guy who was a great jumping on passing lanes and picking pockets but he wasn't a great defender by any stretch.

it's also slanted towards big men. big men inherently have higher fg% and accumulate rebounds cause they play closer to the basket and are taller. also guards are more turnover prone because they handle the ball more. that's why you see a bunch of big men leading PER overwhelmingly over perimeter players. but no one is going to put 5 centers on the floor. you need centers and guards to win games. PER doesn't take into account your position. it basically takes raw numbers and plugs them into this formula without adjusting for position. a guard who shoots 50% from the field is more impressive than a center who does the same but PER doesn't do a good job of adjusting for that.

it also doesn't take into account your teammates. a player's production is influenced by his teammates. so this is one of many examples but i like using it: compare pippen's stats to when jordan was retired and when jordan wasn't retired to the bulls days. scottie pippen's highest PER occured when jordan was retired and by a healthy margin as well. pippen wasn't a better player while jordan was retired, but he got more touches and opportunities, and handle the ball more. your PER and player production is influenced by your teammates.

shaq is one of the most dominating forces in the history of basketball. if kobe wasn't playing with shaq during those years he could've put up even better numbers than he already did if he wasn't playing with shaq. the same could be said for shaq as well.

i could've gone on and went into more detail but that's the gist of it.
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 6 years ago '11        #142
Da Truth23 93 heat pts93
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Fuk da list it's kinda accurate wondering where they put TMac?


And kobe deserved #1. (Bron fan)
 6 years ago '11        #143
Da Truth23 93 heat pts93
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Plus if you think Shaq should be over Kobe. Two rings without Shaq, Shaq had only one ring w/o Kobe
 05-27-2012, 06:41 PM         #144
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fu*k kobe...aint even top 10 all time...fu*k off his d!ck

most selfish player in nba history....purposely takes ridiculously hard shots thinking he fu*king superman or some sh*t...lame a.ss wanna be jordan punk....
 05-27-2012, 08:23 PM         #145
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if u watching Tim Duncan tonight, u'd disagree
 6 years ago '10        #146
mixtapelive 273 heat pts273
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 KDE21K said:
I question ANYONE who puts Shaq's career over Duncan's.... and we're giving Kobe the player of the decade when it could be argued he wasn't the best player in any year of the 00's
05-06, 06-07

there's no way you could argue.. even 07-08, you could entertain some arguments but there really wasn't any.
 6 years ago '05        #147
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 mixtapelive said:
05-06, 06-07

there's no way you could argue.. even 07-08, you could entertain some arguments but there really wasn't any.
I'd take Duncan's 05-06 over Kobe's, especially when you look at the playoff numbers, I see why people regard it highly, as Kobe was an efficient volume shooter....but considering everything Duncan did that year.....I'd still take his year especially considering he didn't touch he ball nearly the amount of times that Kobe did.
 6 years ago '04        #148
chirpflare 175 heat pts175
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tmac dont deserve
 6 years ago '04        #149
torious 69 heat pts69
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 1992 said:
1. Shaq
2. Duncan
3. Kobe
4. KG
5. AI
 6 years ago '06        #150
PG-13 126 heat pts126
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 Aquarius said:
Duncan
Shaq
AI


fu*k kobe...aint even top 10 all time...fu*k off his d!ck

most selfish player in nba history....purposely takes ridiculously hard shots thinking he fu*king superman or some sh*t...lame a.ss wanna be jordan punk....
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