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 beast mode said:
yeah just what we need...more lil black kids being born to 15 y.o girls with no dad while moms is out in the club and spending welfare on shoes. c'mon n*ggaz lets not act like a lot of times abortion is better than letting some of these fu*kin kids be born in a no win situation.
You're thinking like a murderer...The real problem is the society that we live in. How about we try providing a decent education, better jobs, more community initiatives first instead of throwing away human beings just because these pieces of sh*t stand to lose a profit or a spot on the socioeconomical pyramid?

People having babies are not the problem. The system and the structure of it is the problem. I don't like seeing little girls having babies that they can't take of either, but the reality of it is, we wouldn't have to worry about this if people focused on the causes with the same intensity that we focus on the effect.
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 Dos-effect said:
Blacks are more a universal breed of people
Based on what? That's like saying "Whites are pure evil." All opinion. All speculation. Complete generalization. You can't lump every black person into one group and say "this is what black people are like." That's stereotyping. Just like lumping all white people in a group and saying they're greedy racists out to dominate the world.

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Our voice is just as important as conservatives, why wouldn't we?
Confused me here. Who is our? Blacks or Liberals (since you said conservatives at the end?) Don't know why you're saying your (whoever our is) voice is just as important, I never said anything about anyone's voice not being important. I just said Democrats talk a a good game to get black votes then hardly ever carry through with their promises. Basically, that Democrats are playing the black race. Using them.

Obama is not down with you. Remember he's still half white. So don't forget he's half evil

But seriously, We can talk about their social programs aimed for the poor (which in America unfortunately a good number of blacks are), you can look at them as aide. Or you can look at them as bribes. A lot of people on welfare, never take the initiative to use it and then get off welfare. So the government dangles food stamps and other benefits in front of poor people and indirectly give them an excuse to be too lazy to better themselves (because why work hard when the government is sending me some money each month?) It k!lls initiative. Thus keeping them in poverty and reliant on the government to feed them and their family. The smart people who are in a bad situation obviously use the help they need at the moment, then get on their feet and start to build. But most of us are not smart. So we get easily tricked into things bribes like this where the catch is it indirectly affects our motivation to not stay in poverty. People easily get complacent.
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 Dos-effect said:
"To explain why black woman have a higher ratio for abortions, I think you have to look at factors like poverty, education, and cultural dynamics, not some evil agenda"

Yall are like some of the dumb people who are so naive they dont think our goverment orchestrated 911, when all signs point to them either knowing or being the direct culprits. Yall dont think whites did sh*t like this? This is a current situation going on in NC right now.......yall need to read this sh*t. The idea is plausible if yall understand that there seems to be this never ending plight by whites to destroy black america.......there always has been and perhaps always will be, but our new generations are not so high strung on race........but that doesnt matter because racial neglect is now being replaced by Political belief,......ironically though conservative belief goes hand n hand with old school racism.............anyway here is the info, link is attached.




Number of Victims

Over 8,000 sterilizations were approved by the Eugenics Board of North Carolina. The total number of victims actually sterilized is estimated to have been over 7,600 (Winston-Salem, “Lifting the Curtain on a Shameful Era”). Of this number, females represented approx. 85% of those sterilized (State Library, “Statistics,” p. 1). By the late 1960s, the sterilization of men was virtually halted, as women made up 99% of those sterilized (Sinderbrand, p. 1). African Americans represent 39% of those sterilized overall; by the later 1960s, they made up 60% of those sterilized, even though they made up only a quarter of the population (Sinderbrand, p. 1). Of those sterilized up to 1963, 25% were considered mentally ill and 70% were considered mentally deficient. In each of these categories, females account for over 75% of the sterilizations. North Carolina ranked third in the United States for the total number of people sterilized.


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Period During Which Sterilization Occurred

Sterilizations started in 1929 with the passage of the sterilization law and continued through 1973, when the last recorded sterilization is known to have been reported.


Temporal Pattern of Sterilization



After the passage of the sterilization law in 1929, sterilization law began at slow rate. It was not until about 1938 that sterilizations began to increase at a steady rate. After WWII, sterilizations accelerated and peaked in the two years between 1950 and 1952, with 704 sterilizations (State Library, “Statistics”, p. 1). This makes North Carolina fairly unique, as its peak sterilizations occurred after WWII, at a time when most other states had ceased performing operations (for other exceptions, see also eugenic sterilizations in Iowa and Georgia). After 1960, the rate of sterilization began to slow and continued to decrease from a rate of about 250 a year in 1963 to 6 per year in 1973. From 1950-1963 there were an average of about 300 sterilizations per year. In the peak years (the 1950s) there were about 7 sterilizations for every 100,000 residents of the state per year.


Passage of Laws

The very first sterilization law was passed in 1919 but it was probably never put to use. Many feared that the law was unconstitutional and therefore the state feared putting it into practice (Paul, p. 420). In 1929, The North Carolina General a.ssembly passed a new sterilization law. It stated that “the governing body or responsible head of any penal or charitable institution supported wholly or in part by the State of North Carolina, or any sub-division thereof, is hereby authorized and directed to have the necessary operation for as3xualization or sterilization performed upon any mentally defective or feeble-minded inmate of patient thereof” (State Library, “History”, p. 1). After this law was declared unconstitutional by the state's Supreme Court in 1933 due to a deficient appeals process, North Carolina in the same year enacted a new sterilization law that “provided for notice, hearing, and the right to appeal” (Paul, p. 421). The passage of this law also created the North Carolina Eugenics Board (see below). The passage of the 1929 sterilization law made North Carolina the 17th state out of 33 to pass one. North Carolina's 1933 law remained effective until 1973, when the last recorded sterilizations were performed (State Library, “History,” p. 1). Finally, on April 4, 2003, the North Carolina Senate voted unanimously to overturn it (“Bill to Overturn Eugenics Law Passes State Senate,” p. 1).


Groups Identified by the Law

As stated in the original sterilization law of 1929, the groups targeted for sterilization were identified as “mentally ill, mentally retarded, and epileptic” (Paul, p. 421). However, the law also stated that the purpose of sterilization is to protect impaired people from parenthood who would become seriously handicapped if they were to a.ssume parental responsibilities (Paul, p. 421).
With the passage of the 1933 law, the state of North Carolina instituted a Eugenics Board made up of high-ranking public health officials. Their main purpose was to decide whether sterilization petitions should be carried out. These Board members were addresses cases of individuals diagnosed as feeble minded or mentally ill (Gardella, p. 108). Another major goal of sterilization was to keep the “handicapped” from perpetuating themselves. Sterilization was seen as a way to prevent the spending of tax dollars on the “feeble-minded” (Gardella, p. 108). It should be noted that the law had an "extramural" component; i.e., it allowed for the sterilization of individuals who were presently not placed in state institutions.

Process of the Law

Under the sterilization law, the North Carolina General a.ssembly gave the governing body or executive head of any penal or charitable public institution the authority to order the sterilization of any patient or inmate whose operation they considered would be in the best interest of the individual and of the public good. It also gave the county boards of commissioners authority to order sterilization at the public’s expense of any “mentally defective or feeble-minded resident upon receiving a petition from the individual’s next of kin or legal guardian” outside state institutions (State Library, “History”, p. 1) - thus applying potentially to every resident in North Carolina. All orders for sterilization had to be reviewed and approved by the commissioner of the Board of Charities and Public Welfare, the secretary of the State Board of Health, and the chief medical officers of any two state institutions for the feeble-minded or insane. In the reviewing process, they looked at a medical and family history of the individual being ordered for sterilizations to help decide whether the operation would be performed or not. They also considered whether it was “likely that the individual might produce children with mental or physical problems” (State Library, “History”, p. 1).
In 1933, under the new law, the General a.ssembly created the Eugenics Board of North Carolina to review all orders for sterilization of “mentally diseased, feeble-minded, or epileptic patients, inmates, or non-institutionalized individuals” (State Library, “History”, p. 1). This centralized board included five members: the commissioner of the Board of Charities and Public Welfare, the secretary of the State Board of Health, the chief medical officer of a state institution for the feeble-minded or insane, the chief medical officer of the State Hospital at Raleigh, and the attorney general. In the hearings of patients or inmates in a public institution, the head of that institution was the prosecutor in presenting the case to the Eugenics Board. In hearings of individuals who were non-institutionalized, the county superintendent of welfare or another authorized county official acted as the prosecutor. However, in both hearings, the prosecutor provided the board with a medical history signed by a physician familiar with the individual’s case. The petition for the hearing was sent to the individual being ordered or to their next of kin or legal guardian. In the situation where this person could not represent or defend themselves at the hearing, the next of kin, guardian, or county solicitor stepped in to represent them. If the board decided to order the sterilization, the order had to be signed by at least 3 members and then returned to the prosecutor. This decision could be appealed by the individual to the county superior court and then further appealed to the state supreme court. If the appeal was successful, any petitions for sterilization were prohibited for one year, unless the individual, or his or her guardian or next of know requested sterilization (State Library, “History”, p. 1).
you picked a good source sir, same one i looked at. also read the book quoted, by paul.

you should stop calling the elites whites. thats where all the confusion and offensiveness is coming from
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 hood135 said:
You're thinking like a murderer...The real problem is the society that we live in. How about we try providing a decent education, better jobs, more community initiatives first instead of throwing away human beings just because these pieces of sh*t stand to lose a profit or a spot on the socioeconomical pyramid?

People having babies are not the problem. The system and the structure of it is the problem. I don't like seeing little girls having babies that they can't take of either, but the reality of it is, we wouldn't have to worry about this if people focused on the causes with the same intensity that we focus on the effect.
the problem is the gangs and drugs and the lack of opportunities.

the shooting each other corner trap nonsense needs to stop. if we got all the illegal immigrants out of here that are taking our jobs then there would be more work

the black dynamic trio needs to step up and do something about this instead of talking about bags of skillets
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 lifeundthescope said:
Funny how you didn't even link the source of that garbage. It's ridiculous how Whites don't believe that Eugenics and Planned Parenthood was targeted towards Blacks and other ethnic "minorities". You don't find Planned Parenthood clinics in the fu*king suburbs, only in low-income areas, which are predominately populated by whom? Need I say more?

It's insulting that you called it a conspiracy, was Slavery a conspiracy as well? I guess the Tuskegee Experiments were a conspiracy as well

Didn't even bother to read that sh*t article, just browsed through it. They claimed Sanger wasn't a racist?
i need to know your definition of "whites" sir cause most of us came over here on boats and busted our fu*king a.ss to get where we are.

and in the case of eugenics, many "whites" were targeted and sterilized...no not because they were white but for allll kinds of dumb a.ss reasons. like if there parents drank or one of them got arrested before. they think that sh*t runs in the family tree and you are basically predestined to be like your predecessors. they didnt think much of free will i guess and i know they dont think much of it now

trust me whitey didnt give me sh*t


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 05-23-2012, 03:37 PM         #126
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 Got Cheeve? said:
Based on what? That's like saying "Whites are pure evil." All opinion. All speculation. Complete generalization. You can't lump every black person into one group and say "this is what black people are like." That's stereotyping. Just like lumping all white people in a group and saying they're greedy racists out to dominate the world.



Confused me here. Who is our? Blacks or Liberals (since you said conservatives at the end?) Don't know why you're saying your (whoever our is) voice is just as important, I never said anything about anyone's voice not being important. I just said Democrats talk a a good game to get black votes then hardly ever carry through with their promises. Basically, that Democrats are playing the black race. Using them.

Obama is not down with you. Remember he's still half white. So don't forget he's half evil

But seriously, We can talk about their social programs aimed for the poor (which in America unfortunately a good number of blacks are), you can look at them as aide. Or you can look at them as bribes. A lot of people on welfare, never take the initiative to use it and then get off welfare. So the government dangles food stamps and other benefits in front of poor people and indirectly give them an excuse to be too lazy to better themselves (because why work hard when the government is sending me some money each month?) It k!lls initiative. Thus keeping them in poverty and reliant on the government to feed them and their family. The smart people who are in a bad situation obviously use the help they need at the moment, then get on their feet and start to build. But most of us are not smart. So we get easily tricked into things bribes like this where the catch is it indirectly affects our motivation to not stay in poverty. People easily get complacent.
Well now your just painting a wide brush across 2 whole groups of people, one is Democrats and the other is Black people. You cant make an argument that the democratic party is only pandering with no good intention of of ever helping the race succeed as a whole. That idea holds no weight because for one while most blacks who vote are democrats most democrats are not black. Further more in most election years the turn out for the black race is always less then subpar for both parties. But for those that do go out and vote its not because they are wanting more food stamps, I expected more from you then that. Why is it a myth that blacks genuinely care about this countries well being? Why equate our political representation to food stamps and welfare? Or doubt our ability as choosing which ever party we feel as it pertains to our lifestyle and or aspirations for the direction we want the country to take? Now I guess you could make the case your trying to make for all career based welfare recipients of all colors, but what about the trailer home conservatives are they being railroaded by the conservative party for more food stamps or are they making the decision that they feel best suits them. Your argument is kinda archaic honestly bruh. And Im not going to entertain the sad notion that you believe most blacks to be on welfare. Come on son!!!!
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and black people need to stop trying to steal everything from the jews like they were the original slaves and eugenics targets and even the israelites.

NONSENSE
 05-23-2012, 03:43 PM         #128
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 ill 800 said:
and black people need to stop trying to steal everything from the jews like they were the original slaves and eugenics targets and even the israelites.

NONSENSE
n*gga this whole comment was nonsense......
 05-23-2012, 03:54 PM         #129
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I'm skeptical. Why would a racist white person want to destroy or limit the reproduction of black people; don't you think they would value black people if they were going for a master slave relationship.. u want more slaves not less. If this were the case also, why the need to provide so much government a.ssistance for black ppl??

sh*t black ppl would be better off if all the incapable mothers weren't fu*king breeding. sh*t is backwards.
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Well now your just painting a wide brush across 2 whole groups of people, one is Democrats and the other is Black people. You cant make an argument that the democratic party is only pandering with no good intention of of ever helping the race succeed as a whole. That idea holds no weight because for one while most blacks who vote are democrats most democrats are not black. Further more in most election years the turn out for the black race is always less then subpar for both parties. But for those that do go out and vote its not because they are wanting more food stamps, I expected more from you then that. Why is it a myth that blacks genuinely care about this countries well being? Why equate our political representation to food stamps and welfare? Or doubt our ability as choosing which ever party we feel as it pertains to our lifestyle and or aspirations for the direction we want the country to take? Now I guess you could make the case your trying to make for all career based welfare recipients of all colors, but what about the trailer home conservatives are they being railroaded by the conservative party for more food stamps or are they making the decision that they feel best suits them. Your argument is kinda archaic honestly bruh. And Im not going to entertain the sad notion that you believe most blacks to be on welfare. Come on son!!!!
Where did I say any of the things I just bolded from your post? Re-read my post, and tell me where I wrote any of that? You're reading in between lines when there's nothing to read, I said what I meant.

I never once said most blacks are on welfare. Where did I say that? C'mon dude. You're better than that. I never once said most blacks vote Democrat for food stamps. I never equated blacks political siding with welfare. I never said it's a myth that blacks care about the countries well being either. Why are you saying I said these things?

The part I underlined, is a GOOD POINT. And I agree with you on that after further thought.

When talking about welfare and food stamps I said POOR PEOPLE, people in poverty. You're mistaking me saying blacks have a higher percentage in poverty than other races ( which is true: ) as me saying most blacks are on welfare or they vote Democrat for food stamps. That's ridiculous. Come on dude, you're better than that.

Your underlined point is true though, It wouldn't make sense to pander to blacks when they're not a big percentage of voters. So you make a good point there, but all that other stuff acting like I said those ridiculous claims or I'm some ignorant person was just out of line.

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 Dos-effect said:
n*gga this whole comment was nonsense......
whats nonsense about it? jews were the original slaves and the original eugenics race target. jews were the original disciples not black israelites.

yall in here acting like you are the only ones who are oppressed whitey this whitey that


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That link is for all the dumbasses that still believe that the claims against planned parenthood and eugenics are long gone... this sh*t was happening in 72'


forced sterilization :jay mad:



and, mind you, this is fu*king NPR


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old news umar johnson knows
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 Dos-effect said:
"To explain why black woman have a higher ratio for abortions, I think you have to look at factors like poverty, education, and cultural dynamics, not some evil agenda"

Yall are like some of the dumb people who are so naive they dont think our goverment orchestrated 911, when all signs point to them either knowing or being the direct culprits. Yall dont think whites did sh*t like this? This is a current situation going on in NC right now.......yall need to read this sh*t. The idea is plausible if yall understand that there seems to be this never ending plight by whites to destroy black america.......there always has been and perhaps always will be, but our new generations are not so high strung on race........but that doesnt matter because racial neglect is now being replaced by Political belief,......ironically though conservative belief goes hand n hand with old school racism.............anyway here is the info, link is attached.


I know all about the sterilization programs, but where's the evidence of an agenda on the part of Planned Parenthood to use abortions to limit the black population? I didn't say it was impossible, but I'd need evidence. Everything else is speculation.


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I'm white and me and my asian girlfriend (at the time) had an abortion.

What does that have to do with race?
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 HHS said:
I know all about the sterilization programs, but where's the evidence of an agenda on the part of Planned Parenthood to use abortions to limit the black population? I didn't say it was impossible, but I'd need evidence. Everything else is speculation.
Considering that Planned Parenthood was once the American Birth Control League and most of its leaders were proponents of eugenics, it's not very far fetched to say so.
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 ill 800 said:
whats nonsense about it? jews were the original slaves and the original eugenics race target. jews were the original disciples not black israelites.

yall in here acting like you are the only ones who are oppressed whitey this whitey that
Who has a.sserted such a thing? You're trying to divert attention from the original topic which was PP using abortions to limit the black population.
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Abortian should be illegal period.
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 April Moon said:
Hey, if you're living off of nothing but government aid while being able to work, you shouldn't be having kids. If you can barely feed yourself, you shouldn't pop out another mouth to feed. Its fu*king simple. Its called being smart. If you think that would eventually 'limit' the black population, then your problem isn't with abortion. Its with the black population, where it should be. You'd rather demonized a program that sets out to give young people better options regarding their lives? How stupid.

I wouldn't force them physically to do anything, but in my view, if they have that child and are unable to care for it, the child should be taken away until they prove that they can. Otherwise it should be considered abuse. You go a hospital and you're pregnant, going into labor, then sometime after the baby is delivered, you better be able to show proof that you're able to care for it or have family members that will help you. That kind of thing should be strict as fu*k. Not just ANYBODY should be able to have kids in a civilized country. Cause then you get sh*t like Detroit and Philly... and those places are all fu*ked up.
You are misrepresenting my opinion. I have no problem with a woman wanting to abort a child. I have a problem with it being marketed to black women and black communities as a way out, when it really is a way to limit the number of black births.

You're second paragraph isn't related to anything I said, and I'd rather not discuss it with you.
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