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 6 years ago '07        #101
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Dr. Alveda King is so far to the right that she makes Ronald Reagan look like Che Guevara. She calls herself a "reformed murderer" because she had two abortions during her youth, and says gay marriage is akin to "genocide" because gay people getting married to each other is preventing children from being born from the unhappy fake marriages into which some of the gays would have presumably entered. When asked where her uncle would stand today (video here), she said,

You know, my uncle said, ‘Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere,'" she explained. The negro cannot win if he's willing to sacrifice the futures of his children for immediate personal comfort and safety.' So that led me to say, a woman has a right to choose what she does with her body. The baby is not her body.

Uh, that's not right. Martin Luther King, Jr was in fact an advocate for reproductive choice for women and was one of the original recipients of The Margaret Sanger Award. During his acceptance speech, he expressed admiration for Sanger's life's work and a belief that life is made better for people who are able to control the sizes of their families.

There is scarcely anything more tragic in human life than a child who is not wanted. That which should be a blessing becomes a curse for parent and child. There is nothing inherent in the Negro mentality which creates this condition. Their poverty causes it. When Negroes have been able to ascend economically, statistics reveal they plan their families with even greater care than whites. Negroes of higher economic and educational status actually have fewer children than white families in the same circumstances.

He later went on to write that his Sanger award was among his prized possessions, but never mind any of those pesky "facts." According to Raw Story, Dr. Alveda King's been peddling her version of her uncle as a conservative, anti choice leader for years, and Fox News is trying to perpetuate it. And everyone knows that in this day and age, if you repeat something enough times, it becomes true.
You lose an argument when the backing up to your side is FOX News and Alveda King. You lose try again.
 05-23-2012, 01:34 AM         #102
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Never got why blacks always thought Democrats had their back. Obviously, I'm not saying the other side does have their back, because no one but black people have their own back, just like with any race. Just that Democrats fool some into thinking they're pro-black when they're really not. They say things to get votes but still fu*k blacks over just like any government party would.

The answer is never the government. Once you stop relying on the government to solve things, you start to solve things yourself.
 05-23-2012, 01:39 AM         #103
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 NoTitleSince73 said:
Oh you mean the same King who is in on FOX News all the time? Stopped reading after that You talk about how whites use you guys etc, when its happening with this issue right now, the guy who made the documentary is a white pro life texan, who has been battling Planned Parenthood for years, unsuccessfully may I add, now hes using the black community to see if he can get better results, just like the black community has been used in the gay debate. And yet here you are being used and u cant even see it you're buying right into it. Im sure FOX News has your best interest @ heart

I'm a retard? Please, you are hands down one of the DUMBEST posters on here, go read a book or something you waste of oxygen, I wish you were aborted cause you're dumb as fu*k.

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fu*king clown
I don't know what documentary you are speaking of, using the Black community you say though? There are countless Blacks in the community who are aware about Eugenics and Planned Parenthood, and have known and spoken about this before this "Pro-Life White Dude". Just like you are trying to buy people into believing Margaret Sanger wasn't a racist? And the racist Agenda that was behind Eugenics and Planned Parenthood towards Blacks...?

 NoTitleSince73 said:
Holy sh*t you're stupid, the only link you posted was a wiki link to racism, how is wiki links on that page gonna lead me to the rest of the sh*t you posted? Only one taking an L here is your blind a.ss, fu*king puppet.

And ignorant? bi*ch please
I posted in so you understand what a Racist is, since clearly you have a non-existent understanding of it. I'm a puppet? lmao

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 NoTitleSince73 said:
You lose an argument when the backing up to your side is FOX News and Alveda King. You lose try again.
And what is wrong with Alveda King? It's funny how you posted that quote and within it they talk about Dr.King's acceptance speech?

Dr. King's award was presented on May 5, 1966.

Dr King died April 4th, 1966.

It's clear who the puppet is here
 05-23-2012, 01:40 AM         #104
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 Got Cheeve? said:
Never got why blacks always thought Democrats had their back. Obviously, I'm not saying the other side does have their back, because no one but black people have their own back, just like with any race. Just that Democrats fool some into thinking they're pro-black when they're really not. They say things to get votes but still fu*k blacks over just like any government party would.

The answer is never the government. Once you stop relying on the government to solve things, you start to solve things yourself.
Only thing I have co-signed that you have said

Government is dominated by Whites, whom don't have Blacks best interest in hand.
 6 years ago '07        #105
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 lifeundthescope said:
I don't know what documentary you are speaking of, using the Black community you say though? There are countless Blacks in the community who are aware about Eugenics and Planned Parenthood, and have known and spoken about this before this "Pro-Life White Dude". Just like you are trying to buy people into believing Margaret Sanger wasn't a racist? And the racist Agenda that was behind Eugenics and Planned Parenthood towards Blacks...?


I posted in so you understand what a Racist is, since clearly you have a non-existent understanding of it. I'm a puppet? lmao

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And what is wrong with Alveda King? It's funny how you posted that quote and within it they talk about Dr.King's acceptance speech?

Dr. King's award was presented on May 5, 1966.

Dr King died April 4th, 1966.

It's clear who the puppet is here
you just quoted the documentary you haven't heard of d!ckhead. That Maafa21 or w/e is a documentary. Dipsh*t, and yeah that must of been a typo but his wife Accepted the award on her husbands behalf. It is clear who the puppet is here, you are.The pro life crowd is just using the insecurity of the black population to push their anti abortion agenda. Nothing is wrong with Alveda king, except trying to paint her uncle as a pro life conservative, which he wasn't.

And do you know how many abortions planned parenthood does? Its a very very small portion of what they do, and Margaret Sanger promoted birth control, not abortions dipsh*t.


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 05-23-2012, 03:04 AM         #106
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 NoTitleSince73 said:
Prove what wrong dipsh*t? That planned parenthood isn't out to destroy black children? Yes the founder of Planned Parenthood believed in eugenics. But that was in the fu*king 30's. If we held what organizations/groups believed in the 30's against them we would have no institutions dating back that far. Since its pretty reasonable to expect beliefs in the 30's may not exactly align with our values today. My point is that planned parenthood isn't out to destroy blacks or undesirables imo.
Basically

But to say planned parenthood, TODAY, is out to limit black/brown populations
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People often use Margaret Sanger's eugencis view to back this claim up, but while she did believe that light-skinned races were superior, she opposed abortion and actually worked with black leaders to establish medical clinics, even getting support from MLK JR and WEB Du Bois for her efforts. Obviously her eugenics views are horrible, but there's not really anything I've seen from her public or private writings that would suggest she wanted to reduce the black population.

And while it is believable that some people supported abortion rights because they thought it would be a way to limit non-white populations, I don't believe that there was ever a mission on the part of Planned Parenthood to do so.

To explain why black woman have a higher ratio for abortions, I think you have to look at factors like poverty, education, and cultural dynamics, not some evil agenda.


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 6 years ago '04        #108
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 lifeundthescope said:
Only thing I have co-signed that you have said

Government is dominated by Whites, whom don't have Blacks best interest in hand.
No sh*t. They have no one's interests in their plan, other than their own. Duh.
 05-23-2012, 07:58 AM         #109
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 Got Cheeve? said:
Never got why blacks always thought Democrats had their back. Obviously, I'm not saying the other side does have their back, because no one but black people have their own back, just like with any race. Just that Democrats fool some into thinking they're pro-black when they're really not. They say things to get votes but still fu*k blacks over just like any government party would.

The answer is never the government. Once you stop relying on the government to solve things, you start to solve things yourself.

Blacks are more a universal breed of people, we believe in inclusion and fairness for all for the most part, We are not blind followers of Democrats, its just the canidates who run democrat usually speak on things we value like diversity, looking out for the poor, creating fair and balanced playing fields across the board. Our voice is just as important as conservatives, why wouldn't we?
 05-23-2012, 08:08 AM         #110
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"To explain why black woman have a higher ratio for abortions, I think you have to look at factors like poverty, education, and cultural dynamics, not some evil agenda"

Yall are like some of the dumb people who are so naive they dont think our goverment orchestrated 911, when all signs point to them either knowing or being the direct culprits. Yall dont think whites did sh*t like this? This is a current situation going on in NC right now.......yall need to read this sh*t. The idea is plausible if yall understand that there seems to be this never ending plight by whites to destroy black america.......there always has been and perhaps always will be, but our new generations are not so high strung on race........but that doesnt matter because racial neglect is now being replaced by Political belief,......ironically though conservative belief goes hand n hand with old school racism.............anyway here is the info, link is attached.




Number of Victims

Over 8,000 sterilizations were approved by the Eugenics Board of North Carolina. The total number of victims actually sterilized is estimated to have been over 7,600 (Winston-Salem, “Lifting the Curtain on a Shameful Era”). Of this number, females represented approx. 85% of those sterilized (State Library, “Statistics,” p. 1). By the late 1960s, the sterilization of men was virtually halted, as women made up 99% of those sterilized (Sinderbrand, p. 1). African Americans represent 39% of those sterilized overall; by the later 1960s, they made up 60% of those sterilized, even though they made up only a quarter of the population (Sinderbrand, p. 1). Of those sterilized up to 1963, 25% were considered mentally ill and 70% were considered mentally deficient. In each of these categories, females account for over 75% of the sterilizations. North Carolina ranked third in the United States for the total number of people sterilized.


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Period During Which Sterilization Occurred

Sterilizations started in 1929 with the passage of the sterilization law and continued through 1973, when the last recorded sterilization is known to have been reported.


Temporal Pattern of Sterilization



After the passage of the sterilization law in 1929, sterilization law began at slow rate. It was not until about 1938 that sterilizations began to increase at a steady rate. After WWII, sterilizations accelerated and peaked in the two years between 1950 and 1952, with 704 sterilizations (State Library, “Statistics”, p. 1). This makes North Carolina fairly unique, as its peak sterilizations occurred after WWII, at a time when most other states had ceased performing operations (for other exceptions, see also eugenic sterilizations in Iowa and Georgia). After 1960, the rate of sterilization began to slow and continued to decrease from a rate of about 250 a year in 1963 to 6 per year in 1973. From 1950-1963 there were an average of about 300 sterilizations per year. In the peak years (the 1950s) there were about 7 sterilizations for every 100,000 residents of the state per year.


Passage of Laws

The very first sterilization law was passed in 1919 but it was probably never put to use. Many feared that the law was unconstitutional and therefore the state feared putting it into practice (Paul, p. 420). In 1929, The North Carolina General a.ssembly passed a new sterilization law. It stated that “the governing body or responsible head of any penal or charitable institution supported wholly or in part by the State of North Carolina, or any sub-division thereof, is hereby authorized and directed to have the necessary operation for as3xualization or sterilization performed upon any mentally defective or feeble-minded inmate of patient thereof” (State Library, “History”, p. 1). After this law was declared unconstitutional by the state's Supreme Court in 1933 due to a deficient appeals process, North Carolina in the same year enacted a new sterilization law that “provided for notice, hearing, and the right to appeal” (Paul, p. 421). The passage of this law also created the North Carolina Eugenics Board (see below). The passage of the 1929 sterilization law made North Carolina the 17th state out of 33 to pass one. North Carolina's 1933 law remained effective until 1973, when the last recorded sterilizations were performed (State Library, “History,” p. 1). Finally, on April 4, 2003, the North Carolina Senate voted unanimously to overturn it (“Bill to Overturn Eugenics Law Passes State Senate,” p. 1).


Groups Identified by the Law

As stated in the original sterilization law of 1929, the groups targeted for sterilization were identified as “mentally ill, mentally retarded, and epileptic” (Paul, p. 421). However, the law also stated that the purpose of sterilization is to protect impaired people from parenthood who would become seriously handicapped if they were to a.ssume parental responsibilities (Paul, p. 421).
With the passage of the 1933 law, the state of North Carolina instituted a Eugenics Board made up of high-ranking public health officials. Their main purpose was to decide whether sterilization petitions should be carried out. These Board members were addresses cases of individuals diagnosed as feeble minded or mentally ill (Gardella, p. 108). Another major goal of sterilization was to keep the “handicapped” from perpetuating themselves. Sterilization was seen as a way to prevent the spending of tax dollars on the “feeble-minded” (Gardella, p. 108). It should be noted that the law had an "extramural" component; i.e., it allowed for the sterilization of individuals who were presently not placed in state institutions.

Process of the Law

Under the sterilization law, the North Carolina General a.ssembly gave the governing body or executive head of any penal or charitable public institution the authority to order the sterilization of any patient or inmate whose operation they considered would be in the best interest of the individual and of the public good. It also gave the county boards of commissioners authority to order sterilization at the public’s expense of any “mentally defective or feeble-minded resident upon receiving a petition from the individual’s next of kin or legal guardian” outside state institutions (State Library, “History”, p. 1) - thus applying potentially to every resident in North Carolina. All orders for sterilization had to be reviewed and approved by the commissioner of the Board of Charities and Public Welfare, the secretary of the State Board of Health, and the chief medical officers of any two state institutions for the feeble-minded or insane. In the reviewing process, they looked at a medical and family history of the individual being ordered for sterilizations to help decide whether the operation would be performed or not. They also considered whether it was “likely that the individual might produce children with mental or physical problems” (State Library, “History”, p. 1).
In 1933, under the new law, the General a.ssembly created the Eugenics Board of North Carolina to review all orders for sterilization of “mentally diseased, feeble-minded, or epileptic patients, inmates, or non-institutionalized individuals” (State Library, “History”, p. 1). This centralized board included five members: the commissioner of the Board of Charities and Public Welfare, the secretary of the State Board of Health, the chief medical officer of a state institution for the feeble-minded or insane, the chief medical officer of the State Hospital at Raleigh, and the attorney general. In the hearings of patients or inmates in a public institution, the head of that institution was the prosecutor in presenting the case to the Eugenics Board. In hearings of individuals who were non-institutionalized, the county superintendent of welfare or another authorized county official acted as the prosecutor. However, in both hearings, the prosecutor provided the board with a medical history signed by a physician familiar with the individual’s case. The petition for the hearing was sent to the individual being ordered or to their next of kin or legal guardian. In the situation where this person could not represent or defend themselves at the hearing, the next of kin, guardian, or county solicitor stepped in to represent them. If the board decided to order the sterilization, the order had to be signed by at least 3 members and then returned to the prosecutor. This decision could be appealed by the individual to the county superior court and then further appealed to the state supreme court. If the appeal was successful, any petitions for sterilization were prohibited for one year, unless the individual, or his or her guardian or next of know requested sterilization (State Library, “History”, p. 1).


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 6 years ago '05        #111
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 NoTitleSince73 said:
so let me get this straight, planned parenthood is just a conspiracy to k!ll black children? got it.

thas how was the intentions when first created..yes...next question
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 NoTitleSince73 said:
Prove what wrong dipsh*t? That planned parenthood isn't out to destroy black children? Yes the founder of Planned Parenthood believed in eugenics. But that was in the fu*king 30's. If we held what organizations/groups believed in the 30's against them we would have no institutions dating back that far. Since its pretty reasonable to expect beliefs in the 30's may not exactly align with our values today. My point is that planned parenthood isn't out to destroy blacks or undesirables imo.
opinion vs proof


hmmmmmmmm
 6 years ago '07        #113
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 GST said:
thas how was the intentions when first created..yes...next question
I'm glad you speak with such certainty on the issue, considering you have 0 idea as to what you're talking about.
 GST said:
opinion vs proof


hmmmmmmmm
yeah all the proof in here displaying how Planned Parenthood systematically k!lls black children.


and I guess the folks @ planned parenthood couldn't get their hands on this guy.

If you guys have such a problem with blacks getting abortions, maybe its time to evaluate your culture. Instead of blaming your shortcomings on a large scale conspiracy, maybe take some personal responsibility.

Now I'm not saying fu*ked up things haven't been done to blacks in this country, maybe its the optimist in me, but I just don't see there being a plan to k!ll black children, what does that gain us? Especially in this day and age, also the actual amount of abortions planned parenthood does, is actually not that much. Most of what they do is women's health stuff, like brea$t screenings etc.


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 05-23-2012, 09:13 AM         #114
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 NoTitleSince73 said:
I'm glad you speak with such certainty on the issue, considering you have 0 idea as to what you're talking about.


yeah all the proof in here displaying how Planned Parenthood systematically k!lls black children.


and I guess the folks @ planned parenthood couldn't get their hands on this guy.

If you guys have such a problem with blacks getting abortions, maybe its time to evaluate your culture. Instead of blaming your shortcomings on a large scale conspiracy, maybe take some personal responsibility.

Now I'm not saying fu*ked up things haven't been done to blacks in this country, maybe its the optimist in me, but I just don't see there being a plan to k!ll black children, what does that gain us? Especially in this day and age, also the actual amount of abortions planned parenthood does, is actually not that much. Most of what they do is women's health stuff, like brea$t screenings etc.

Hence the word used, this is pre tense, who indicated they are still doing this? Yall white boys saw this sh*t and had a fu*king aneurysm. There has been data posted to show this to be accurate. Just accept it and stop getting mad at blacks for showing you this countries history. If it wasnt you and your not racist then get your panties out your a.ss and stop acting liking a sensitive a.ss bi*ch
 6 years ago '04        #115
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If you didnt know this already your a fu*kin moron

Not talkin to the TS

Talking to whoever this is news to
 05-23-2012, 11:02 AM         #116
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 lifeundthescope said:
Refer to my edited post imbecile Playing the victim? So are you telling me Blacks aren't subjected to double standards and etc within this country? You're embarrassing yourself, just stop...

Anyhow, continuing on disproving these lies about Sanger not being a racist





Since you clearly, don't know the textbook definition of Racism or a Racist, I guess ill have to educate you on it.

rac·ism   [rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA
noun
1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.



Just stop
Wait, What?!?...I thought, according to you:
How so when Racism is a social construct, that was created by Whites to uphold White Supremacy? Shut the fu*k up.
 6 years ago '10        #117
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yeah just what we need...more lil black kids being born to 15 y.o girls with no dad while moms is out in the club and spending welfare on shoes. c'mon n*ggaz lets not act like a lot of times abortion is better than letting some of these fu*kin kids be born in a no win situation.
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Facts can be stubborn things...
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 NoTitleSince73 said:
I'm glad you speak with such certainty on the issue, considering you have 0 idea as to what you're talking about.


yeah all the proof in here displaying how Planned Parenthood systematically k!lls black children.

the info is out there for you to ignore or avoid


and I guess the folks @ planned parenthood couldn't get their hands on this guy.

If you guys have such a problem with blacks getting abortions, maybe its time to evaluate your culture. Instead of blaming your shortcomings on a large scale conspiracy, maybe take some personal responsibility.

Now I'm not saying fu*ked up things haven't been done to blacks in this country, maybe its the optimist in me, but I just don't see there being a plan to k!ll black children, what does that gain us? Especially in this day and age, also the actual amount of abortions planned parenthood does, is actually not that much. Most of what they do is women's health stuff, like brea$t screenings etc.

again..these were what appears to be the intentions when this organization was first created..too much info to support it..it's kind of hard for a zebra to change it's stripes...giving them a pass is one thing..trying to deny it ever happened without disputing documents and evidence that support the contrary is another thing..plz stop with the lame fallback excuse of 'responsible for yourself' bullshyt...you guys that are apparently oblivious or maybe just naive about what really happens to non-whites always speak without any real knowledge..i guess the holocaust is just too overwhelming of an idea for you too .. maybe the thought of slavery just blows your mind..how bout the black children getting k!lled in africa right fcukin now ?..you think if that were white children getting k!lled in those numbers,that a crazy white kid slaughterin a.ss n*gga would still be running loose right now ? ... but thas probably out of the grasp of your actual reality as well...all the horrible things this country is responsible for since the day the white man stepped off that boat,and right now I'm just talking about black ppl [nevermind the folks that were here first], you trying to say that this is so far fetched ? really ?!?!?

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 Dos-effect said:
Hence the word used, this is pre tense, who indicated they are still doing this? Yall white boys saw this sh*t and had a fu*king aneurysm. There has been data posted to show this to be accurate. Just accept it and stop getting mad at blacks for showing you this countries history. If it wasnt you and your not racist then get your panties out your a.ss and stop acting liking a sensitive a.ss bi*ch

^^^ this

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