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 04-27-2012, 07:50 PM         #1
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Apr 27 - 'Miss Black France' raises eyebrows and questions
 

 

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France will hold its first “Miss Black” beauty contest in Paris on Saturday, an event that has been widely supported despite criticisms that the racial angle could be detrimental to the values of French society.

Not so, according to promoter Frederic Royer, whose contest enjoys the full approval of the French Representative Council of Black a.ssociations (CRAN).

By honouring “black beauty”, Royer said, the contest would give visibility to a largely ignored section of French society.

“The purpose of this beauty contest is to shine a light on the many black women in this country who are rarely given any media attention,” he said. “The Miss France competition is not nearly representative enough of modern France.”

Despite this criticism of the established national beauty contest, longtime “Miss France” celebrity organiser Geneviève de Fontenay praised the initiative as progressive, saying “France has a big racial mix and it must be emphasised as much as possible.

“Especially during this difficult election time,” she added, referring to the high turnout of voters supporting Marine Le Pen’s anti-immigration National Front party in the first round of the presidential election on April 22.

In 2000, Sonia Rolland, who is biracial and of Rwandan origin, won the “Miss France” title.

“It was a first step, but not nearly big enough,” said Fontenay.

‘Detrimental’ to French values?

Not everyone shares Fontenay’s point of view. Patrick Lozès, founder and former president of CRAN, acknowledged the “good will” of the initiative, but doubted an event held exclusively for France’s black population could be called “progressive”.

“This logic is detrimental to the values of French society,” he said. “If I think that there are not enough black people in the most prestigious schools and companies, am I going to go create establishments exclusively reserved for blacks?”

Historian Pascal Blanchard, a specialist in immigration at France’s National Centre for Scientific Research, agrees with Lozès, saying he was “shocked” by an initiative he views as “stupid” and “dangerous”. “I know that in the US, there are ethnic beauty contests. The fact that they’re tolerated doesn’t change my mind,” he said. “Anytime that anyone, no matter where in the world, talks to me about a contest reserved for a specific racial category, I hit the roof!”

In recent months, Blanchard has not been the only one to express displeasure at what has been perceived by some as a trend of singling out blacks in France. Last January, an article in women’s magazine Elle about the fashion sense of black women stirred controversy on both sides of the Atlantic, with the widely-read newspaper New York Daily News calling the piece “racist”.

‘Provocation’

The Elle flap has not led to any evolution in French people’s thinking, according to Lozès, who says he is very “worried” in the wake of the first-round results of the French presidential election. He says with the inflammatory discourse about foreigners and immigrants that has made its way into the presidential campaign, the election of a Miss Black France could be seen as a provocation.

“I’m afraid that all of that will make French people even more defensive at a time when the National Front is more popular than ever,” he said. “It’s a contest that stipulates that white women are not welcome, which is very disturbing. This initiative could be perceived as a hostile event that will further erode national unity.”

Still, neither Lozès nor Blanchard deny the reality that many of France’s minorities face disadvantages and discrimination. They argue, though, that integration is a complex process that should never involve any distinction based on race. “Everything possible must be done so that these people recognise themselves as French, and not as black people living in France,” offered Lozès. “We can’t start having ethnically exclusive contests if our ultimate goal is to have all-inclusive national contests. It’s a serious strategic error.”


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 04-27-2012, 08:50 PM         #2
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"The purpose of this beauty contest is to shine a light on the many black women in this country who are rarely given any media attention,”

Maybe if they stop discriminating against black women in the media and media's perception of beauty then the contest wouldn't be necessary?
 04-28-2012, 04:50 PM         #3
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 6 years ago '05        #4
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remember...it's not racist if anyone but whites do it...only racist if its white...no white miss america, waacp, w.e.t.
 6 years ago '05        #5
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Id love to seem them attempt White Miss America
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there's a sh*tload of gorgeous black women in france...hopefully those are the majority of the contestants
 04-28-2012, 05:21 PM         #7
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 Freemind said:
Id love to seem them attempt White Miss America
 mikesaimname said:
remember...it's not racist if anyone but whites do it...only racist if its white...no white miss america, waacp, w.e.t.
I guess I will reiterate what J.R said, for you dumbass Whites.

"because the standard of beauty is white :)"

White Logic tho "only racist if its White!!!@@@!111" it's unbelievable how ignorant you people can be.
 6 years ago '06        #8
raw51188 3 heat pts
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lol at anyone who thinks this is progressive. racism really sucks.
 04-28-2012, 05:27 PM         #9
Tybigbigguy  OP
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This is disturbing
 6 years ago '05        #10
Freemind 41 heat pts41
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 lifeundthescope said:
I guess I will reiterate what J.R said, for you dumbass Whites.

"because the standard of beauty is white :)"

White Logic tho "only racist if its White!!!@@@!111" it's unbelievable how ignorant you people can be.
So you're cool with a White Miss America contest?
 6 years ago '04        #11
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It's been like this for many years. My sister was in the Miss Black Chicago pageant back in the 80's. T'Keyah Crystal Keymáh (back then she was Crystal Walker) won that year and went on to a nice career...In Living Color, That's So Raven...etc. It was an avenue when there wasn't an avenue.
 04-28-2012, 05:33 PM         #12
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 mikesaimname said:
remember...it's not racist if anyone but whites do it...only racist if its white...no white miss america, waacp, w.e.t.
White people love regurgitating this corny argument.

It's pretty simple. White's are not a minority in France. Or America for that matter. Why would whites need a White Miss America when they already make up 99.9% of the contestants of the Miss America pageants? Why would they need a WAACP? Who is opressing whitey? Why do they need a WET?
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 Freemind said:
So you're cool with a White Miss America contest?
You don't have to call it miss white america if 95% the contestants are already white. That's the whole point, A 100% black women would never win the normal Miss France contest so they created this one.
 04-28-2012, 05:55 PM         #14
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 Ldogg310 said:
gotta start somewhere

at least they are TRYING to give us n*ggas an avenue to shine.

In america they just shoot us and get off with a slap on the wrist

got cops k!lling us while we are already cuffed n sh*t.
They did it the wrong way tho

instead they should have made a rule in the normal pageant that a certain percentage of minorities should be in the pageant
 6 years ago '09        #15
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 Freemind said:
So you're cool with a White Miss America contest?
You don't understand the feeling of knowing your being over looked and passed over simply because you black. If you know people weren't even giving you a shot at something just because you were white you'd feel the need to create an all white whatever. BET came about because MTV didn't use to play black artist. When Michael Jackson came out with Thrilller, (The number one album in the World to this day!) MTV wouldn't play his videos just because he was black, and this was in 1982.
 04-28-2012, 06:03 PM         #16
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 Ldogg310 said:
gotta start somewhere

at least they are TRYING to give us n*ggas an avenue to shine.

In america they just shoot us and get off with a slap on the wrist

got cops k!lling us while we are already cuffed n sh*t.
yeah... it does have to start somewhere...

But this is not the way. It even says in the article where black women do not get the same opportunities so they started a black contest. Why not just stop discriminating? Why just cover the mess when you can actively make it equal, leveled, and fair? Why not judge the beauty for what it is and not what color the woman happens to be?

The problem I'm guessing is that these organizations, who sponsor these contest, are looking for beautiful white women. Beautiful black women isn't what they need to cater to the white people they are catering to.
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 Tybigbigguy said:
They did it the wrong way tho

instead they should have made a rule in the normal pageant that a certain percentage of minorities should be in the pageant
You can't make rules in a pageant that you have no control over and even if 30% are minorities they could all still lose with out being given a fair shot.
 6 years ago '05        #18
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 jasperfect said:
You don't understand the feeling of knowing your being over looked and passed over simply because you black. If you know people weren't even giving you a shot at something just because you were white you'd feel the need to create an all white whatever. BET came about because MTV didn't use to play black artist. When Michael Jackson came out with Thrilller, (The number one album in the World to this day!) MTV wouldn't play his videos just because he was black, and this was in 1982.
beyonce was voted most beautiful woman in the world last week
stop acting like a victim.
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I got a friend who's a model in france. She's not black. She's french and arabian, but mad cute. She's not stuck up and snooty like most models you see. She's actually quite nice. Here are some pics.

Elle Mag Cover *does NOT do her justice*

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Random out and about pic

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Picture from when she was doing a photoshoot

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sh*t's kinda cool to know you know a model and are actually very good friends. She's just like someone you'd have at a party and sh*t lol.
 6 years ago '05        #20
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 jasperfect said:
. When Michael Jackson came out with Thrilller, (The number one album in the World to this day!) MTV wouldn't play his videos just because he was black, and this was in 1982.
MTV DIDNT PLAY THRILLER
REALLY ???????
you fu*king just make sh*t up dont you.


MTV also had a reputation for favoring white performers at the time, and its heavy rotation of Jackson videos helped alleviate the criticism
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