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 6 years ago '05        #41
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 April Moon said:
Ugh, some dude propped me asking the same thing. That isn't what I meant when I said there's no reason to believe he's a racist. Hispanics can be racist too, that's a given. I can't believe I just had to say that.

The only thing I meant was that he isn't a white person so racism on the basis of him being white just isn't the case. Furthermore, there's still no reason at all to believe Zimmerman is a racist. Point me to something and I'll show you why you're wrong.
u really dont think he was racial profiling
 6 years ago '07        #42
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Every one of you guys are fu*king retarded using Trayvon name as if you knew him or something, im telling ya you guys watch 2:30 mins of cnn video clip from youtube or what ever and you guys are lawyers. its 2012 quit with the race bullsh*t who cares sh*t like this happens every day but we see this kids picture and that hes 17 years old and you guys feel something for him. go listen to your shot this n*gga, r*pe this n*gga wife blow up his house and car music and movies ant then have sympathy for anyone sh*t is jokes. just like your lifes now go get one
 6 years ago '10        #43
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Toms are the worst "negroes" in the history of mankind.
 04-26-2012, 08:03 PM         #44
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 6 years ago '06        #45
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Wil not read...
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 April Moon said:
There were many recent break-ins in that neighborhood, and as far as I've read, the perpetrators were all black. Trayvon, while initially innocent, fit that profile and to make matters worse, he was a stranger to that community. You'd have to understand Zimmerman's (a neighborhood watchman) mentality. I don't know what happened. I wasn't there, but if I were to give you what I a.ssumed happened, it'd be that Zimmerman was just making sure that Trayvon, (who was a total stranger that fit the profile of people who'd been breaking into homes previously), wasn't up to no good. I don't think he went up to Trayvon with the intent to k!ll him. Furthermore, let's not forget about the wounds to the back of Zimmerman's head, which corroborate his side of the story.
yes or no was he racial profiling
 04-26-2012, 08:21 PM         #47
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I don't believe this article, just trying to bring down the racial tension. Clearly propaganda.
 6 years ago '04        #49
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 lifeundthescope said:
I don't believe this article, just trying to bring down the racial tension. Clearly propaganda.
Those motherfu*kers are trying to use the fact that Zimmerman ISNT white to k!ll the racism !! And you just built up all this HATE.... DAYUM
 6 years ago '07        #50
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a white mexican with a black uncle with the last name zimmerman....what a joke
 6 years ago '07        #51
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Still, if he did k!ll Trayvon, justice needs to be served. It doesn't matter what color he is. This is deeper than race.
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 Nyuzi said:
Still, if he did k!ll Trayvon, justice needs to be served. It doesn't matter what color he is. This is deeper than race.



I type this in almost every Trayvon thread...

It's stand your ground, not approach and k!ll!
 6 years ago '06        #53
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adolf hitler's dna proved he had black roots

but I guess only white people can be racist towards blacks, im sure theres never been a latino on black hate crime everrr in LA or Cali.
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I think it's hilarious because it fu*ks with the black boxden racists. The one's who still think Zimmerman is "what as snowflake". That's pretty much it. Peace out


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 April Moon said:
There were many recent break-ins in that neighborhood, and as far as I've read, the perpetrators were all black. Trayvon, while initially innocent, fit that profile and to make matters worse, he was a stranger to that community. You'd have to understand Zimmerman's (a neighborhood watchman) mentality. I don't know what happened. I wasn't there, but if I were to give you what I a.ssumed happened, it'd be that Zimmerman was just making sure that Trayvon, (who was a total stranger that fit the profile of people who'd been breaking into homes previously), wasn't up to no good. I don't think he went up to Trayvon with the intent to k!ll him. Furthermore, let's not forget about the wounds to the back of Zimmerman's head, which corroborate his side of the story.
You know you are so full of sh*t. I see you typing these well written paragraphs trying to come off as intelligent.
 6 years ago '04        #56
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regardless or race dude just made a bad decision i dont think he is racist one bit dude shouldve just backed off when the 911 dispatcher told him to leave the kid alone
 6 years ago '06        #57
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"black people k!ll black people all the time so it must be ok now"
 04-26-2012, 10:41 PM         #58
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 hollyfield420 said:



I type this in almost every Trayvon thread...

It's stand your ground, not approach and k!ll!
:CLAP: :CLAP:

Also peep this brother, I posted this as a thread a day or so ago:

When Stand your ground fails


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As the shooting death of Trayvon Martin and the failure of authorities to arrest his k!ller, George Zimmerman, continues to grab headlines, many conservatives and gun rights advocates insist that race has nothing to do with it. Some have also rallied to the defense of Florida’s “stand your ground” law, the self-defense legislation under which Zimmerman was able to avoid arrest. Yet not all stand your ground claims are so successful. Not too far from Sanford, Fla., a black man named John McNeil is serving a life sentence for shooting Brian Epp, a white man who trespassed and attacked him at his home in Georgia, another stand your ground state.

It all began in early 2005, when McNeil and his wife, Anita, hired Brian Epp’s construction company to build a new house in Cobb County, Ga. The McNeils testified that Epp was difficult to work with, which led to heated confrontations. They eventually decided to close on the house early to rid their lives of Epp, whom they found increasingly threatening. At the closing, both parties agreed that Epp would have 10 days to complete the work, after which he would stay away from the property, but he failed to keep up his end of the bargain.

On Dec. 6, 2005, John McNeil’s 15-year-old son, La’Ron, notified his dad over the phone that a man he didn’t recognize was lurking in the backyard. When La’Ron told the man to leave, an argument broke out. McNeil was still on the phone and immediately recognized Epp’s voice. According to La’Ron’s testimony, Epp pointed a folding utility knife at La’Ron’s face and said, “[w]hy don’t you make me leave?” at which point McNeil told his son to go inside and wait while he called 911 and headed home.

According to McNeil’s testimony, when he pulled up to his house, Epp was next door grabbing something from his truck and stuffing it in his pocket. McNeil quickly grabbed his gun from the glove compartment in plain view of Epp who was coming at him “fast.” McNeil jumped out of the car and fired a warning shot at the ground insisting that Epp back off. Instead of retreating, Epp charged at McNeil while reaching for his pocket, so McNeil fired again, this time fatally striking Epp in the head. (Epp was found to have a folding knife in his pocket, although it was shut.)

The McNeils weren’t the only ones who felt threatened by Epp. David Samson and Libby Jones, a white couple who hired Epp to build their home in 2004, testified that they carried a gun as a “precaution” around Epp because of his threatening behavior. According to Jones, Epp nearly hit her when she expressed dissatisfaction with his work at a weekly meeting. The couple even had a lawyer write a letter warning Epp to stay away from their property. Samson testified that after they fired him, Epp would park his car across the street and watch their house, saying “it got to the point where my wife and I were in total fear of this man.”

After a neighbor across the street who witnessed the encounter corroborated McNeil’s account, police determined that it was a case of self-defense and did not charge him in the death. Nevertheless, almost a year later Cobb County District Attorney Patrick Head decided to prosecute McNeil for murder. In 2006, he was convicted and sentenced to life in prison.

McNeil’s attorney Mark Yurachek told Salon that “DAs throughout the country enjoy that kind of flexibility of deciding who to prosecute, but it’s curious that he took a year to do it.” While he said there’s no way to know what swayed the DA to prosecute, Yurachek revealed that letters, which he obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, were written to the DA’s office demanding that McNeil be charged. “They were mostly emails from people cajoling prosecutors to investigate,” says Yurachek. “One was from Epp’s widow. Others were written anonymously.”

In 2008, McNeil appealed his case to the Georgia Supreme Court with all but one of the seven justices upholding his conviction. The sole dissent came from Chief Justice Leah Ward Sears who argued, “the State failed to disprove John McNeil’s claim of self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt.” She went on to write:

Even viewed in the light most favorable to the verdict, the evidence was overwhelming in showing that a reasonable person in McNeil’s shoes would have believed that he was subject to an imminent physical attack by an aggressor possessing a knife and that it was necessary to use deadly force to protect himself from serious bodily injury or a forcible felony. Under the facts of this case, it would be unreasonable to require McNeil to wait until Epp succeeded in attacking him, thereby potentially disarming him, getting control of the gun, or stabbing him before he could legally employ deadly force to defend himself. This is not what Georgia law requires.

As a leading gun rights state, Georgia has both a stand your ground law that permits citizens to use deadly force “only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury,” as well as a Castle Doctrine law, which justifies the use of deadly force in defense of one’s home.

Thus far, gun rights advocates such as the NRA and former Cobb County congressional Rep. Newt Gingrich have been silent on McNeil’s conviction, though it’s unclear whether they are aware of the case. The NRA did not immediately return a call seeking comment. Still, Rev. William Barber, president of the North Carolina NAACP State Conference, argues, “The NRA would be screaming about the injustice of his conviction if John had been white and shot a black a.ssailant that came at him on his property armed with a knife.” (McNeil grew up in North Carolina, where the local NAACP chapter, led by Barber, was the first to pick up on his case in Georgia.)

Barber was clear that the NAACP remains firmly against stand your ground laws because “they give cover to those who may engage in racial profiling and racialized violence,” adding that “There is a history and legacy of discriminatory application of the law” that continues to this day. “African-Americans are caught in curious position. On one hand, we f!ght against stand your ground laws, but once the laws are on the books they aren’t applied to us.”

Civil rights activist Markel Hutchins agrees and has filed a federal lawsuit challenging Georgia’s stand your ground law because the law is not applied equally to African-Americans. He accuses the courts of accepting “the race of a victim as evidence to establish the reasonableness of an individual’s fear in cases of justifiable homicide.”

Meanwhile, Barber argues that McNeil’s treatment stands in stark contrast to that of George Zimmerman, who has been afforded the benefit of the doubt despite his victim being unarmed. “America’s always had a difficult issue dealing with race, so rather than face it when it’s exposed, the tendency by some is to try and dismiss it. But the reality is you do not see this kind of miscarriage of justice when it comes to whites.” He adds, “John’s whole life has been taken away from him. His wife is very ill with cancer and she has lost a husband, his sons have lost a father and society has lost a man that was contributing to his community.”

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But yeah, lets swept the race aspect of this situation under the rug.
 6 years ago '10        #59
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 The Scenario said:
Wil not read...
People like this are the problem. They choose to be misinformed but then want to contribute to the conversation.

This article rubs people the wrong way because now, instead of being a situation where the black community can stand up to their white oppressors, they now have to be at odds with a fellow minority. A hispanic..
 6 years ago '08        #60
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 lifeundthescope said:
:CLAP: :CLAP:

Also peep this brother, I posted this as a thread a day or so ago:

When Stand your ground fails


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As the shooting death of Trayvon Martin and the failure of authorities to arrest his k!ller, George Zimmerman, continues to grab headlines, many conservatives and gun rights advocates insist that race has nothing to do with it. Some have also rallied to the defense of Florida’s “stand your ground” law, the self-defense legislation under which Zimmerman was able to avoid arrest. Yet not all stand your ground claims are so successful. Not too far from Sanford, Fla., a black man named John McNeil is serving a life sentence for shooting Brian Epp, a white man who trespassed and attacked him at his home in Georgia, another stand your ground state.

It all began in early 2005, when McNeil and his wife, Anita, hired Brian Epp’s construction company to build a new house in Cobb County, Ga. The McNeils testified that Epp was difficult to work with, which led to heated confrontations. They eventually decided to close on the house early to rid their lives of Epp, whom they found increasingly threatening. At the closing, both parties agreed that Epp would have 10 days to complete the work, after which he would stay away from the property, but he failed to keep up his end of the bargain.

On Dec. 6, 2005, John McNeil’s 15-year-old son, La’Ron, notified his dad over the phone that a man he didn’t recognize was lurking in the backyard. When La’Ron told the man to leave, an argument broke out. McNeil was still on the phone and immediately recognized Epp’s voice. According to La’Ron’s testimony, Epp pointed a folding utility knife at La’Ron’s face and said, “[w]hy don’t you make me leave?” at which point McNeil told his son to go inside and wait while he called 911 and headed home.

According to McNeil’s testimony, when he pulled up to his house, Epp was next door grabbing something from his truck and stuffing it in his pocket. McNeil quickly grabbed his gun from the glove compartment in plain view of Epp who was coming at him “fast.” McNeil jumped out of the car and fired a warning shot at the ground insisting that Epp back off. Instead of retreating, Epp charged at McNeil while reaching for his pocket, so McNeil fired again, this time fatally striking Epp in the head. (Epp was found to have a folding knife in his pocket, although it was shut.)

The McNeils weren’t the only ones who felt threatened by Epp. David Samson and Libby Jones, a white couple who hired Epp to build their home in 2004, testified that they carried a gun as a “precaution” around Epp because of his threatening behavior. According to Jones, Epp nearly hit her when she expressed dissatisfaction with his work at a weekly meeting. The couple even had a lawyer write a letter warning Epp to stay away from their property. Samson testified that after they fired him, Epp would park his car across the street and watch their house, saying “it got to the point where my wife and I were in total fear of this man.”

After a neighbor across the street who witnessed the encounter corroborated McNeil’s account, police determined that it was a case of self-defense and did not charge him in the death. Nevertheless, almost a year later Cobb County District Attorney Patrick Head decided to prosecute McNeil for murder. In 2006, he was convicted and sentenced to life in prison.

McNeil’s attorney Mark Yurachek told Salon that “DAs throughout the country enjoy that kind of flexibility of deciding who to prosecute, but it’s curious that he took a year to do it.” While he said there’s no way to know what swayed the DA to prosecute, Yurachek revealed that letters, which he obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, were written to the DA’s office demanding that McNeil be charged. “They were mostly emails from people cajoling prosecutors to investigate,” says Yurachek. “One was from Epp’s widow. Others were written anonymously.”

In 2008, McNeil appealed his case to the Georgia Supreme Court with all but one of the seven justices upholding his conviction. The sole dissent came from Chief Justice Leah Ward Sears who argued, “the State failed to disprove John McNeil’s claim of self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt.” She went on to write:

Even viewed in the light most favorable to the verdict, the evidence was overwhelming in showing that a reasonable person in McNeil’s shoes would have believed that he was subject to an imminent physical attack by an aggressor possessing a knife and that it was necessary to use deadly force to protect himself from serious bodily injury or a forcible felony. Under the facts of this case, it would be unreasonable to require McNeil to wait until Epp succeeded in attacking him, thereby potentially disarming him, getting control of the gun, or stabbing him before he could legally employ deadly force to defend himself. This is not what Georgia law requires.

As a leading gun rights state, Georgia has both a stand your ground law that permits citizens to use deadly force “only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury,” as well as a Castle Doctrine law, which justifies the use of deadly force in defense of one’s home.

Thus far, gun rights advocates such as the NRA and former Cobb County congressional Rep. Newt Gingrich have been silent on McNeil’s conviction, though it’s unclear whether they are aware of the case. The NRA did not immediately return a call seeking comment. Still, Rev. William Barber, president of the North Carolina NAACP State Conference, argues, “The NRA would be screaming about the injustice of his conviction if John had been white and shot a black a.ssailant that came at him on his property armed with a knife.” (McNeil grew up in North Carolina, where the local NAACP chapter, led by Barber, was the first to pick up on his case in Georgia.)

Barber was clear that the NAACP remains firmly against stand your ground laws because “they give cover to those who may engage in racial profiling and racialized violence,” adding that “There is a history and legacy of discriminatory application of the law” that continues to this day. “African-Americans are caught in curious position. On one hand, we f!ght against stand your ground laws, but once the laws are on the books they aren’t applied to us.”

Civil rights activist Markel Hutchins agrees and has filed a federal lawsuit challenging Georgia’s stand your ground law because the law is not applied equally to African-Americans. He accuses the courts of accepting “the race of a victim as evidence to establish the reasonableness of an individual’s fear in cases of justifiable homicide.”

Meanwhile, Barber argues that McNeil’s treatment stands in stark contrast to that of George Zimmerman, who has been afforded the benefit of the doubt despite his victim being unarmed. “America’s always had a difficult issue dealing with race, so rather than face it when it’s exposed, the tendency by some is to try and dismiss it. But the reality is you do not see this kind of miscarriage of justice when it comes to whites.” He adds, “John’s whole life has been taken away from him. His wife is very ill with cancer and she has lost a husband, his sons have lost a father and society has lost a man that was contributing to his community.”

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But yeah, lets swept the race aspect of this situation under the rug.
damm is this sh*t a real story? i would have done the same thing as McNeil, he even gave a warning shot, and epp,s had a weapon in his hand? WTF is going on in florida, u know what if McNeal's in jail then zimmerman should get the same sentance, also i dont agree how u get super racist about whites being the devil, but after reading both these case's i dont blame you for feeling the way you do cuz this sh*t is real a.ss racism against McNeal, and that sh*ts not cool...


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