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 04-26-2012, 03:59 PM         #261
Graftedgenes  OP
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 Grimey Jr. said:
the higher ups exploited the black community for financial gain, and then used propaganda and stereotypes to convince the poorer whites to hate on black people. i think with that kind of sh*t over the generations it has become a staple in most white households, almost ingrained in the average white man. the thing that k!lls me about some of these white people is they dont even know why they hate black people.this might sound fu*ked up but at least the higher ups gettin money and land out the hate
If I am Minister Farrakhan then you are Father Pfleger.

You see Grimey Jr. in order to exploit and oppress people its important to justify your explotation and oppression by dehumanizing the people you are exploiting.


The very first movie ever made in HollyWood was a KuKluxKlan movie about a savage Black man trying to r*pe a white woman....thats what jump-started Hollywood. So with that type of history in entertainment nothing surprises me.


Grimey they used to bring their wives and children to see Black men hung from trees, castrated, and burned alive, they would hack off the body-parts and save them as souveneirs. The phrase "Pick a n*gga" became PICNIC.


The children who watched those lynchings with smiles on their faces grew up and had children and they taught their children the same things that their parents taugh them....





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 04-26-2012, 04:11 PM         #263
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 Ghost Writer said:
And I attacked you not black people. You are far from a fair representation of black people. In fact, if I was black, I would be ashamed to be the same race as you.
Now this was an attempt at psychological manipulation.

Whether you like him or not, Grafted does drop a lot of facts that stand independently of your opinion of him. His amount of knowledge and his respect for validity speak as a credit to his intellect, however, and Blacks in general too, if you want to take it there. You could have left this part out.
 04-26-2012, 04:36 PM         #264
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 Ghost Writer said:
that was the most important part IMO. His knowledge is only as impressive as it is non-bias. Everything he spits out comes from his hatred for white people. As for your second part....your lack of proper sentence structure make it hard for me to properly respond. If you are trying to say his opinion is representative of all black people than I don't know what to tell you cause I've never seen a black person as miserable as him. Only in the movies. I stand by what I said 100%.

Edit: I find your respect for validity comment insanely comical....he has no respect for validity and is simply concerned with defaming the white race...
Facts are facts and Grafted has dropped plenty of them throughout this thread and others. No matter what his motivation is, the information itself should be judged on its own merits. Information has no bias. The purpose of knowledge isn't to "impress" but to inform. (That's a strike against yours btw)

If you can't respond to someone who doesn't use proper sentence structure, then get off the internet, and off life in general. That's a laughable attempt at intellectual intimidation, as if I give a green fu*k about your idea of a proper sentence. That's a weak (blatant) cop-out but I'm not about to get engaged in a ego thing here. I'm just saying to keep it correct because you aren't talking exclusively to fools. You're actually becoming more transparent with each post in my eyes.
 04-26-2012, 05:06 PM         #265
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 36 Nine said:
Now this was an attempt at psychological manipulation.

Whether you like him or not, Grafted does drop a lot of facts that stand independently of your opinion of him. His amount of knowledge and his respect for validity speak as a credit to his intellect, however, and Blacks in general too, if you want to take it there. You could have left this part out.
Respect and salute.

I just ignore them when they become either too overtly emotional or attempt to distract us away from the truths and factuals in our discussion.


I often engage them so they can expose themselves with the irony of labeling me a "racist" while they attempt to label me as an unemployed, uneducated, emasculated, BLACK-panther while bragging about how they have "White-Cock" s3x with Black women.

...sounds like the rhetoric a White Slave-master would use in his justification for beating and raping his slaves...or the rhetoric a Klansman would use to justify his race-hatred.


Should we be surprised that a white poster is bragging about s3xual-conquest of Black women after I made a list of atrocities committed by them against other cultures??


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They call the medical experiments they did on us "Conspiracy Theories".



Even with historical facts, documented proof and apologies from Hillary Clinton, they will still say that they didnt use Syphillis and Radiation in experiments on Black people.





The strongest Hatred that ha ever existed on this planet is the Hatred that whites have for people of Afrikan descent, and I challenge any poster to prove me wrong in that a.ssessment.
 04-26-2012, 05:14 PM         #266
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 Ghost Writer said:
Information is always biased.
That's only true in the sense that it's necessarily subjective, but that's not what we're talking about.

If I ate 3 apples today, and I tell you that I ate three apples today, then what I have conveyed is objectively factual, unbiased information. This is the sense I'm speaking of. Likewise, if Grafted reports how many nonwhites were murdered in the Holocaust, or details the factual info of other atrocities, these types of facts carry no bias (other than potential numerical inaccuracies). So what I'm saying is, no matter what his intentions are, facts are facts, and let's let the audience draw their own conclusions from the cases presented.

but not to get off on that. Like I said earlier, this has been a great discussion, but keep it that way & not start disrespecting each others' intelligence with manipulative tactics.
 04-26-2012, 05:24 PM         #267
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 36 Nine said:
Facts are facts and Grafted has dropped plenty of them throughout this thread and others. No matter what his motivation is, the information itself should be judged on its own merits. Information has no bias. The purpose of knowledge isn't to "impress" but to inform. (That's a strike against yours btw)

If you can't respond to someone who doesn't use proper sentence structure, then get off the internet, and off life in general. That's a laughable attempt at intellectual intimidation, as if I give a green fu*k about your idea of a proper sentence. That's a weak (blatant) cop-out but I'm not about to get engaged in a ego thing here. I'm just saying to keep it correct because you aren't talking exclusively to fools. You're actually becoming more transparent with each post in my eyes.
Meh, his attack on your sentence-structure is just another weak attempt to make himself feel superior to us Black folks who are supposed to be illiterate and ignorant.

Look how the admitted Troll/Homos3xual poster was quick to co-sign his 350 word essay,,,birds of a feather flock together.


But hear me clearly:


These are the people who a.ssassinated Medgar Evars.

These are the people who bombed a Church in Birmingham and k!lled 4 little Black girls.


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These are the people who used their government agency C.I.A to pump crack into the Afrikan-American community so they could fund the Contras in Nicaraugua.

They a.ssassinated Walter Rodney.

These are the same people who live by this code:


Gentrification
Racial profiling
All-White Juries
Predatory-minority-Lending


Academic racism, institutionalized racism, Rockefeller drug laws.........


Have you ever looked at a map of colonial Afrika?


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There is a book you should read called "How Europe Underdeveloped Afrika."



If what I was saying wasnt true then their wouldnt be so much emotion from the other side.
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 Graftedgenes said:
Meh, his attack on your sentence-structure is just another weak attempt to make himself feel superior to us Black folks who are supposed to be illiterate and ignorant.

Look how the admitted Troll/Homos3xual poster was quick to co-sign his 350 word essay,,,birds of a feather flock together.


But hear me clearly:


These are the people who a.ssassinated Medgar Evars.

These are the people who bombed a Church in Birmingham and k!lled 4 little Black girls.



These are the people who used their government agency C.I.A to pump crack into the Afrikan-American community so they could fund the Contras in Nicaraugua.

They a.ssassinated Walter Rodney.

These are the same people who live by this code:


Gentrification
Racial profiling
All-White Juries
Predatory-minority-Lending


Academic racism, institutionalized racism, Rockefeller drug laws.........


Have you ever looked at a map of colonial Afrika?


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There is a book you should read called "How Europe Underdeveloped Afrika."



If what I was saying wasnt true then their wouldnt be so much emotion from the other side.
I would like to ask you a question since race relations seem to be your strong suit.

How do you feel about black's in africa who sold other blacks for goods to the Europeans?
 04-26-2012, 05:46 PM         #269
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23codez, your last 4 posts are pure propaganda meant to sway other readers towards your own perspective - as opposed to presenting facts.

I'm not about to be a damn moderator, but I'm saying, that's the type of sh*t that waters down these type of discussions to the point where they can become worthless.
 04-26-2012, 06:00 PM         #270
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 36 Nine said:
23codez, your last 4 posts are pure propaganda meant to sway other readers towards your own perspective - as opposed to presenting facts.

I'm not about to be a damn moderator, but I'm saying, that's the type of sh*t that waters down these type of discussions to the point where they can become worthless.
Thats the problem when any debate arises up here that involves issues concerning our people. Credibility of an argument gets thrown out the window and replaced with personal feelings. Like him or not, Grafted is an intelligent poster who constantly supports his arguments with factual evidence. The other side, counters with ridiculous notions such as "how many black people I know", "how these supposed black people view me" or some other irrelevant nonsense. Its a clear sign of a "debate" that truly shouldn't be occuring.
 04-26-2012, 06:34 PM         #271
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 JayDee11 said:
Thats the problem when any debate arises up here that involves issues concerning our people. Credibility of an argument gets thrown out the window and replaced with personal feelings. Like him or not, Grafted is an intelligent poster who constantly supports his arguments with factual evidence. The other side, counters with ridiculous notions such as "how many black people I know", "how these supposed black people view me" or some other irrelevant nonsense. Its a clear sign of a "debate" that truly shouldn't be occuring.

I can't understand how these people can shout "racism" when you drop historical information.

If there was a secret meeting to undermine HipHop culture I wouldn't be surprised because I can post 500 examples were our cultural movements and empowerment movements were undermined by a.ssassination, deception, manipulation, and infiltration. Historical fact.


Sensitive and emotional manipulators will attempt to call this discussion a "race-war" when they respond to historical events by bragging about their "white-cock" penetrating imaginary Black women.....are the activities suggested in the OP feasible based on history?

Are the activities detailed in the OP feasible based on the emotional response of posters who desperately want o believe that the pattern of these activities never existed throughout history?



So yeah a few posters come in here talking about "cock" and referencing the Black Panthers but they have failed to provide any evidence or a cohesive argument as to why these activities couldn't have taken place or wouldn't have taken place.
 04-26-2012, 06:45 PM         #272
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 skillahmang said:
I would like to ask you a question since race relations seem to be your strong suit.

How do you feel about black's in africa who sold other blacks for goods to the Europeans?
 Grimey Jr. said:
id like to hear what specifically was fairy tales, give some examples if you dont mind
A Neo-Nazi once asked me how I felt about Jews who ratted-out the location of other Jews during the Holocust.

He then asked me how I felt about Native-Americans who helped the settlers attack other Indian tribes.

He then asked me about Afrikans who helped slave-catchers capture other Afrikans.


I quickly recognized that his objective was to rationalize the acts of the aggressor by pointing out the complicity of a few who participated in the destruction of their own people by aiding the aggressors.


I told him that he simply pointed out that the Afrikans, Jews, & Native Amerikans had a common enemy, nothing more and nothing less.
 04-26-2012, 06:49 PM         #273
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 Graftedgenes said:

So yeah a few posters come in here talking about "cock" and referencing the Black Panthers but they have failed to provide any evidence or a cohesive argument as to why these activities couldn't have taken place or wouldn't have taken place.
The obvious reply here would be the common a.ssertion that you "can't prove a negative". It's easy to provide facts that support an allegation, but much harder (while not impossible) to present evidence that proves an event did not take place.

And yet, I can't help but think about the masses of "Americans" that have demanded Obama to prove he's not a Muslim, or not affiliated with terrorist organizations, or not a socialist - and the list goes on. Likewise, it often seems to me that Blacks are frequently made to prove they are not guilty of a crime; whereas the official story says that all Americans are deemed innocent until proven guilty. Yes, O.J. did get off for murder, but how many Black non-millionaires have been condemned without due process or fair cause, before and since.

So - and I'm speaking as objectively as I can - there does seem to be a historical double standard right there. Whites often balk at the a.ssertion that they could prove they're not bigots. And there may be some merit to that. Yet historically, many Blacks have been compelled to prove a negative on numerous occasions, without anyone so much as batting an eye.


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 04-26-2012, 07:11 PM         #275
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back on topic though, This article sounds like a made up story that happens to explain the downfall of hip hop. It is true though at the most fundamental of levels I look at myself. Even I make dark sh*t (beats) some days and dont even know why, its like it pulls or draws you in. Nobody wants to hear positive rap over some corny a.ss commercial beat.

I just got done discussing why I HATE pretty much all modern rap, because its targeted towards a demographic with little or no relation to ANY of the lyrics in the music, theres no connection or correlation. They took that whole 1990 era gangsta twist and turned it into a Greed inspiring, lust producing, envious and devious fu*king spawn replacement of what you consider to be Hip Hop Music or Rap.

How the fu*k do you ride around bumping some sh*t talking about fu*king models, rocking gucci, and throwing cash around like its worthless when you just got out a mother fu*king food share meeting to renew your food stamps? How the fu*k do you bump some sh*t talking about slapping bi*ches , not giving a fu*k when you just got off your phone with ur grams and told her you love her. How the fu*k you bump sh*t talking about imma smash yo girl tonight but then come home all up in your girls text messages insecure n sh*t lol. People need to stop being mindless drones, stop and listen for a second and think about whats the fu*ks going in and out their ears. And just because someone can describe illegal sh*t at a rate that matches a beats tempo, dont be so quick to bow down and obey and be a follower, come up with your own ideas and lifestyle.


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 04-26-2012, 08:35 PM         #276
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 36 Nine said:
The obvious reply here would be the common a.ssertion that you "can't prove a negative". It's easy to provide facts that support an allegation, but much harder (while not impossible) to present evidence that proves an event did not place.

And yet, I can't help but think about the masses of "Americans" that have demanded Obama to prove he's not a Muslim, or not affiliated with terrorist organizations, or not a socialist - and the list goes on. Likewise, it often seems to me that Blacks are frequently made to prove they are not guilty of a crime; whereas the official story says that all Americans are deemed innocent until proven guilty. Yes, O.J. did get off for murder, but how many Black non-millionaires have been condemned without due process or fair cause, before and since.

So - and I'm speaking as objectively as I can - there does seem to be a historical double standard right there. Whites often balk at the a.ssertion that they could prove they're not bigots. And there may be some merit to that. Yet historically, many Blacks have been compelled to prove a negative on numerous occasions, without anyone so much as batting an eye.
Yes indeed their is a historical double-standard.


Lets not forget that Obama is a Communist, Socialist, Terrorist, Muslim and an Afrikan not an American!

Gee-willikers I want my country back!!!!



So yeah if I give 50 examples of outsiders manipulating our movements you will always have one incredulous outsider saying: "Dude, oh my God dude that could never happen dude" or an understandable brother like Grimey Jr. that says "Say man, that ish was f*cked up, I cant condone that type of ish"


They act like COINTELPRO is a myth or that Fred Hamptons a.ssassination was an accident.



So when we debate over weather the actions in the OP actually took place we can either look at the thousands of historical examples that substantiate the possibility and probability of it actually happening or we can attempt to deny it with talk about "cock" and education/employment stereotypes.....


The Tuskegee experiment never happened, Iran-Contra never happened, Medical Apartheid never happend, the Berlin Conference never happened and Mark Clark wasnt a.ssassinated.
 04-28-2012, 07:10 AM         #277
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NY rappers were spitting that real rap and all the industry wanted to do is push West Coast bangers or Southern minstrel acts....sh*t is disgusting. They messed our positive incline....

"We use the N word cuz we're taking ownership"
"oh wow, every rapper now is bangin red or blue"
"You gotta be "real"to rap"
"he ain't a real goon"
"he ain't a good rapper, he never sold drugs"
"he sucks, he used to be a CO"
"although he was a CO, I love it when he raps about selling drugs"
"trap music is my sh*t even though I don't sell drugs"
ETC.

 04-28-2012, 11:21 AM         #278
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 tupacnasfan said:
and NY rap is not much better either, big pun rip-offs, shiny suit era and other trash that has hurt the reputation of this once great city.
True story.....however, that was after the industry made its shift. Before the Internet, these labels controlled their artists' exposure
 04-28-2012, 11:30 AM         #279
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 dlettern said:
True story.....however, that was after the industry made its shift. Before the Internet, these labels controlled their artists' exposure

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 6 years ago '05        #280
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me and my mom was just having a discussion about people saying sh*t
and wanting people to believe them but yet they dont want to drop names


i dont believe sh*t people say unless they call names
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