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 6 years ago '12        #21
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 ondatpurple said:
with the exception of wade not being consistently injury free, everything else you said goes back to role players. if he have reliable shooters that can space the floor, it makes it much easier for the big 3 to do their thing. and bosh is bosh, his game is not about toughness in the paint that's why we need to develop pittman faster instead of keeping him on the bench
lebron not being more agressive when he needs to be is because of role players?

his passiveness has little to nothing to do wit the role players? why isn't it the big three not doing their thing to let the role players do their thing? bosh taking outside shots brings one more defender on the perimeter. lebron isn't being agressive enough. if both him and wade played in the post they could space the floor, but they don't have post games. that's the real problem. shane and them didn't all of a sudden forget to shoot. probably has partly due to the shortened season but the big three should get more blame.




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 6 years ago '12        #22
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 ttime236 said:
Aint no excuses for the heat. Lebron and Wade produce as they have throughout their career, yall forget Lebron is having a career year. But anyone that watches the game can see this mismatch. Chalmers get handled by Rondo and quality PG's. Battier/Miller should be doing what Novak/Korver/Bradley are doing and thats make timely shots when you get the opportunity. Role players playing like scrubs and the coach isn't quick enough make changes

If the heat had even a few of the bench shooters off the spurs like Neal, itd be a wrap
this is why lebron or wade needs to guard rondo and have chalmers shadow allen. this is why all this dpoy talk for bron is just wrong. if chalmers is getting beat constantly one of those two guys needs to step up and take responsibilty and stop rondo or slow him down.

if the spurs had wilt chamberlain on their team it would be a wrap. if the lakers had a bench like the spurs it'd be a wrap. people thought the heat bench was alot better than last year now all of a sudden they suck. starts from the top.




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 6 years ago '07        #23
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 EnlightenMe said:
lebron not being more agressive when he needs to be is because of role players? his passiveness has little to nothing to do wit the role players. why isn't it the big three not doing their thing to let the role players do their thing? bosh taking outside shots brings one more defender on the perimeter. lebron isn't being agressive enough. if both him and wade played in the post they could space the floor, but they don't have post games. that's the real problem. shane and them didn't all of a sudden forget to shoot. probably has partly due to the shortened season but the big three should get more blame.
both of them have played in the post a lot more this year. wade has one of the better post games for any guard.
 6 years ago '10        #24
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 EnlightenMe said:
lebron not being more agressive when he needs to be is because of role players? his passiveness has little to nothing to do wit the role players. why isn't it the big three not doing their thing to let the role players do their thing? bosh taking outside shots brings one more defender on the perimeter. lebron isn't being agressive enough. if both him and wade played in the post they could space the floor, but they don't have post games. that's the real problem. shane and them didn't all of a sudden forget to shoot. probably has partly due to the shortened season but the big three should get more blame.
I never said lebron or wade was perfect or exempt from sharing some blame. in fact free throw shooting with them is an issue especially late in games. also wade turns over the ball alot at times. but the focal point here is the bench. lebron has played in the post and so has wade but they do it better when battier, haslem, chalmers can knock down shots in case they need to kick it out to the open man. when the heat's second unit is on the floor we tend to lose leads or if we were already trailling the margin grows because they aren't scoring.
 6 years ago '07        #25
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dude is saying their bench is the reason why they don't have a championship look?

how about not having a legit big man up who can defend the paint or get you easy buckets?

or lebron having to guard scoring point guards because the pg's aren't playing spectacular defense
 6 years ago '12        #26
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 joshdogg26 said:
both of them have played in the post a lot more this year. wade has one of the better post games for any guard.
what are you talking about? how often do you see lebron or wade call for the ball in the post? it rarely happens. why isn't lebron one of the best post players in the league? wade has an excuse because of his height. why don't we see lebron and wade keep pounding it in the paint possession after possession? lebron is miles behind melo in the post (not to mention kobe). this whole they are playing more in the post is nonsense. bron's game has been the same for about 4 years now.




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 6 years ago '07        #27
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 EnlightenMe said:
what are you talking about? how often do you see lebron or wade call for the ball in the post? it rarely happens. why isn't lebron one of the best post players in the league? wade has an excuse because of his height. why don't we see lebron and wade keep pounding it in the paint possession after possession? lebron is miles behind melo in the post (not to mention kobe). this whole they are playing more in the post is nonsense. bron's game has been the same for about 4 years now.
they post up all the time. you're losing credibility here.
 6 years ago '12        #28
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 joshdogg26 said:
they post up all the time. you're losing credibility here.
no they don't. all the time? and you say i'm losing credibility?




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 6 years ago '07        #29
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 EnlightenMe said:
no they don't. all the time? and you say i'm losing credibility?
you clearly don't know sh*t about the miami heat or couldn't have watched more than a couple of games if you don't know that we post lebron and wade up frequently. why is your name enlighten me if you don't want to be enlightened, you just want to make incorrect a.ssumptions and make an a.ss of yourself?
 6 years ago '05        #30
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 joshdogg26 said:
you clearly don't know sh*t about the miami heat or couldn't have watched more than a couple of games if you don't know that we post lebron and wade up frequently. why is your name enlighten me if you don't want to be enlightened, you just want to make incorrect a.ssumptions and make an a.ss of yourself?
 6 years ago '12        #31
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 joshdogg26 said:
you clearly don't know sh*t about the miami heat or couldn't have watched more than a couple of games if you don't know that we post lebron and wade up frequently. why is your name enlighten me if you don't want to be enlightened, you just want to make incorrect a.ssumptions and make an a.ss of yourself?
you really don't know what the hell you are talking about. you're saying lebron and wade post up frequently? by frequently do you mean "not that often". you are seriously delusional. lebron's game is 95% playing on the perimeter and slashing to the hoop. same with wade. most basketball fans know that.




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 6 years ago '07        #32
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 EnlightenMe said:
you really don't know what the hell you are talking about. you're saying lebron and wade post up frequently? by frequently do you mean not that often. you are seriously delusional. lebron's game is made up of playing on the perimeter and slashing to the hoop. most basketball fans know that.




lebron is posting up almost twice as much as he did last year, same for wade. they each post up about 15% of the time, which is among the leaders for perimeter players. i'd call that pretty frequent. they're also among the laders in scoring efficiency in the post for all players.

next time you decide to spew some nonsense, do it a place where somebody won't check you for being wrong as fu*k. you don't know sh*t other than the general perception and clearly haven't watched yourself or aren't capable of understanding the game at a level that would even allow you to understand that, and here you are questioning somebody else's knowledge .
 04-18-2012, 07:12 PM         #33
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No, having a good bench and role players is a bless in the sky
I remember that sh*t, did dude who said that ever come back?
 6 years ago '07        #34
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there is no problem, everyone cant play well at the same time. Articles like this are silly, when Wade had a god awful team he could still make the playoffs. Add one more all star they should become contenders, add two more and they should be champions.
 6 years ago '04        #35
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Unbiased opinion: I still think the Heat will win it all this year. I'll root for my Bulls the whole way through, but I still think talent wins out.

Problem with the Heat is not substitution patterns and to be honest, it's not really a problem with Wade, Lebron or Bosh. The problem is with Spo, as much as I like him, his weakness is actual coaching of the offensive end. All their bench guys, especially mentioned in the article, need to be in an offense, know which spots they're supposed to hit and get there cleanly. The big three are this way as well, but they have so much talent, they get away with literally, just taking turns. On the offensive end, the Heat literally have no gameplan other than a simple pick or simple curl. It's pretty much ISO ball the rest of the way.

Miller can handle or shoot. Haslem needs to be around the FT offensively, Battier needs to be around the corners. Cole is an ISO player which doesn't fit, especially with Wade and Bron on the floor. Jones is sort of like Korver, you can put him anywhere near the three point line, just give him a clean look(btw, he's more athletic than Korver).

Earlier in the year, at the very least, even though no offense was installed, they had a game plan and that was to feature Wade and Bron in the paint. If you move Bosh to around the FT line and feature him a ton more in the pick and pop game, you'd be fine. Now, if you install simple sets where Haslem and Bosh sets screens for Mike Miller while Bron and Wade sets picks for each other, you have more motion, and less guys just waiting around. More than likely, you'll end up with an open shot. They need a D'Antoni or Alvin Gentry type coach. Heck even Nate McMillan who will throttle any growth that Chalmers or Cole have will still install a decent offense.
 6 years ago '04        #36
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 joshdogg26 said:




lebron is posting up almost twice as much as he did last year, same for wade. they each post up about 15% of the time, which is among the leaders for perimeter players. i'd call that pretty frequent. they're also among the laders in scoring efficiency in the post for all players.

next time you decide to spew some nonsense, do it a place where somebody won't check you for being wrong as fu*k. you don't know sh*t other than the general perception and clearly haven't watched yourself or aren't capable of understanding the game at a level that would even allow you to understand that, and here you are questioning somebody else's knowledge .
I'm tempted to see the numbers after the all-star break. No doubt, Wade and Bron featured the post game, especially in the 1st half of the season.
 6 years ago '10        #37
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 EnlightenMe said:
no they don't. all the time? and you say i'm losing credibility?
Wade does post alot
 6 years ago '12        #38
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 joshdogg26 said:




lebron is posting up almost twice as much as he did last year, same for wade. they each post up about 15% of the time, which is among the leaders for perimeter players. i'd call that pretty frequent. they're also among the laders in scoring efficiency in the post for all players.

next time you decide to spew some nonsense, do it a place where somebody won't check you for being wrong as fu*k. you don't know sh*t other than the general perception and clearly haven't watched yourself or aren't capable of understanding the game at a level that would even allow you to understand that, and here you are questioning somebody else's knowledge .


did you even read the articles you posted? i did. here's what they said. from the grantland article.
"This year, James’ post game is a talking point. We can’t watch a Miami Heat game without hearing how much James improved over the offseason. James even tipped his hat to his low-post evolution in an interview during Sunday's game against the Chicago Bulls. The problem is that James’ low-post numbers are actually worse than they were last season. His 0.958 points per possession put him in the 77th percentile among all NBA players.

"What has James done differently this season when he receives the ball in the post? He’s shooting 52 percent in the post — almost the same as last year and the sixth-highest percentage among all frequent post players in the league. He is less efficient, however, because he draws fewer fouls and commits more turnovers this season. Last year James got to the free throw line on 16.2 percent of his post-ups; he turned the ball over just 6.5 percent of the time. This year he goes to the line 15.9 percent of the time (which isn’t much of a decline), but James is also giving the ball away 12.1 percent of the time in post situations. That’s almost twice as often as last season. "

"The notion that James has improved his low-post game is a myth. James is a good post player this season, just as he was last year. He’s been playing with his back to the basket more often than last year, perhaps because he wants to prove his doubters wrong, and that has made him a less efficient post player than he was last season."

you call that a post game and second that article was written a month into the season. and do you know what face up means? it only means you receive the ball in the post, not that you are taking shots from there. it doesn't mean every face up he's attempting shots , it just means he has the ball in the post. he could pass the ball and leave the post and that would count as facing up. plus they played 21 games that up until that point. a lot has changed. like their bench was good at that point not it isn't. posting articles with less than 1/3 of the games of the season played isn't relevant now anyway. anybody watching the heat knows that they aren't the same team. so before you spew some sh*t, don't just look at the headline, read the entire article.

as far as the other article, it talked about efficiency, not volume. dont try to mislead. it's like rondo is more efficient than cp3 but he isn't a better scorer from the floor because he takes easier shot opportunities. dwyane is posing up 13.1 percent of the time not 15 percent. and i read both of the articles, ctrl F'd, neither time did it say anything about the 15 percent nor did it say that it made them one of the leaders for perimeter players. show me that stat. if you take the averages, he faced up less than three times a game. so he isn't posting up alot ornearly enough on a team that needs a post game, but i blame lebron more not wade. he's efficient probably because he takes advantage of mismatches not because he lives in the post every game.




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 6 years ago '07        #39
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 EnlightenMe said:
did you even read the articles you posted? i did. here's what they said. from the grantland article.
"This year, Jamesí post game is a talking point. We canít watch a Miami Heat game without hearing how much James improved over the offseason. James even tipped his hat to his low-post evolution in an interview during Sunday's game against the Chicago Bulls. The problem is that Jamesí low-post numbers are actually worse than they were last season. His 0.958 points per possession put him in the 77th percentile among all NBA players.

"What has James done differently this season when he receives the ball in the post? Heís shooting 52 percent in the post ó almost the same as last year and the sixth-highest percentage among all frequent post players in the league. He is less efficient, however, because he draws fewer fouls and commits more turnovers this season. Last year James got to the free throw line on 16.2 percent of his post-ups; he turned the ball over just 6.5 percent of the time. This year he goes to the line 15.9 percent of the time (which isnít much of a decline), but James is also giving the ball away 12.1 percent of the time in post situations. Thatís almost twice as often as last season. "

"The notion that James has improved his low-post game is a myth. James is a good post player this season, just as he was last year. Heís been playing with his back to the basket more often than last year, perhaps because he wants to prove his doubters wrong, and that has made him a less efficient post player than he was last season."

you call that a post game and second that article was written a month into the season. and do you know what face up means? it only means you receive the ball in the post, not that you are taking shots from there. it doesn't mean he's attempting shots, it just means he has the ball in the post. plus they played 21 games that up until that point. a lot has changed. like their bench was good at that point not it isn't. posting articles with less than 1/3 of the games of the season played isn't relevant now. anybody watching the heat knows that they aren't the same team. so before you spew some sh*t, don't just look at the headline, read the entire article.

as far as the other article, it talked about efficiency, not volume. dont try to mislead. it's like rondo is more efficient than cp3 but he isn't a better scorer from the floor because he takes easier shot opportunities. dwyane is posing up 13.1 percent of the time not 15 percent. and i read both of the articles, ctrl F'd, neither time did it say anything about the 15 percent nor did it say that it made them one of the leaders for perimeter players. show me that stat. if you take the averages, he faced up less than three times a game. so he isn't posting up alot ornearly enough on a team that needs a post game, but i blame lebron more not wade. he's efficient probably because he takes advantage of mismatches not because he lives in the post every game.
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 6 years ago '07        #40
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 EnlightenMe said:
what are you talking about? how often do you see lebron or wade call for the ball in the post? it rarely happens. why isn't lebron one of the best post players in the league? wade has an excuse because of his height. why don't we see lebron and wade keep pounding it in the paint possession after possession? lebron is miles behind melo in the post (not to mention kobe). this whole they are playing more in the post is nonsense. bron's game has been the same for about 4 years now.
man I was saying this from the beginning of the season...

To add to all of that, Lebron is almost never in the LOW post. His post ups are mid and high posts because generally it gives him enough space to spin and drive. Its not high percentage, everyone know he is going left shoulder to the fade. What the Heat need is lebron on the block causing havoc. But again he isn't comfortable with that much contact.
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