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 6 years ago '06        #41
davon4204 34 heat pts34
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 Cambury said:
you buggin if you think college makes a difference between good and great...
College does make a difference. Gives a good player time to perfect his game.
 6 years ago '04        #42
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 Cambury said:
you buggin if you think college makes a difference between good and great...
Your crazy if you think it doesn't matter there have only been 3 players in the 12 years come out and make a difference the one and done are horrible other than cousin's and wall who both still have a long way to go where are the others that came out with them the only 2 I believe that might be ok to do hs to the pros are kd and rose and for rose it would be a stretch because he plays the hardest position pg
 04-04-2012, 05:01 AM         #43
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2005 2 49 Andray Blatche F United States Washington Wizards South Kent Preparatory School (South Kent, Connecticut) [66]
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 6 years ago '11        #44
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 Gattsau said:
1. THey can still goto college and get a education.
2. You really think these guys get a education in college? Most don't even goto class, fu*k D rose cant even read!
3. Higher education should not be forced its a individuals choice. Is that education helping them in their career? no. So why must they get it?
4. Why should NBA players be forced to get something that no one else is forced to do. A lot of people are successful without college whether its going to a trade school or just getting on the job experience. Baseball players, swimmers, hockey players, gymnast etc. aren't required to goto college, why is different for basketball players?
you can only lead a man to the water, can't make him drink it and they have a chance to go to school for free with little to no responsibility...and most good jobs out here demand some college, so I don't get what you're trying to say with the last part.

Its just silly to me to hear people talk bad about this rule like young people don't have a real chance to get something positive out of even just a year of college...i just don't see the glaring negative to it
 6 years ago '07        #45
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They should play a MINIMAL of 2 years in college. Basketball fundamentals is like a whole new language to basketball players these days.
 6 years ago '05        #46
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Honestly the NBA doesn't need this but if they are going to do it, they need to make it 2 years of college... Gives the kids a chance to develop their games...

Davis gonna be the #1 if he comes out now or if he stays all four years... But honestly he needs to stay in school at least another year and work on his post game and upper body strength... He's going to be a 4 in the NBA and he has not a lick of upper body strength... He'll get abused in the post...
 6 years ago '07        #47
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 AirForce318 said:
Honestly the NBA doesn't need this but if they are going to do it, they need to make it 2 years of college... Gives the kids a chance to develop their games...

Davis gonna be the #1 if he comes out now or if he stays all four years... But honestly he needs to stay in school at least another year and work on his post game and upper body strength... He's going to be a 4 in the NBA and he has not a lick of upper body strength... He'll get abused in the post...
People got short memories like a muthafu*ka

Aldridge coming out was the same build as Davis and wasn't nearly as accomplished. Bynum hitting the league was ridiculously raw and it took him 3, 4 years of pro coaching to develop and become dominant. Kevin Durant, Josh Smith, list goes on with guys that take time to develop under a pro system and fill out their bodies
 6 years ago '11        #48
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 breakingbad said:
1962 4 29 Reggie Harding C United States Detroit Pistons Detroit Eastern High School (Detroit, Michigan)1[›] [25]
1975 1 5 Darryl Dawkins C United States Philadelphia 76ers Maynard Evans High School (Orlando, Florida) [26]
1975 2 19 Bill Willoughby F/C United States Atlanta Hawks Dwight Morrow High School (Englewood, New Jersey) [27]
1995 1 5 Kevin Garnett* F United States Minnesota Timberwolves Farragut Career Academy (Chicago, Illinois) [28]
1996 1 13 Kobe Bryant* G United States Charlotte Hornets Lower Merion High School (Ardmore, Pennsylvania) [29]
1996 1 17 Jermaine O'Neal* F/C United States Portland Trail Blazers Eau Claire High School (Columbia, South Carolina) [30]
1997 1 9 Tracy McGrady* F United States Toronto Raptors Mount Zion Christian Academy (Durham, North Carolina) [31]
1998 1 25 Al Harrington F United States Indiana Pacers St. Patrick High School (Elizabeth, New Jersey) [32]
1998 2 32 Rashard Lewis+ F United States Seattle SuperSonics Alief Elsik High School (Houston, Texas) [33]
1998 2 40 Korleone Young F United States Detroit Pistons Hargrave Military Academy (Chatham, Virginia) [34]
1999 1 5 Jonathan Bender F United States Toronto Raptors Picayune Memorial High School (Picayune, Mississippi) [35]
1999 1 25 Leon Smith C United States Dallas Mavericks Martin Luther King High School (Chicago, Illinois) [36]
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Nigeria Minnesota Timberwolves Westbury Christian School (Houston, Texas) [47]
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This isn't even a bad list. There are alot of servicable players that came out of high school.

Of course there are your busts here and there, but alot of these dudes have been able to help their team. Most of them were drafted in the second round. That made them steals for what they got. Like Monta Ellis or Al Jefferson. Therefore I don't see the argument about polishing their game
 6 years ago '07        #49
JamcnPrettyboy 96 heat pts96
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change it back to right out of high school.

i don't see the big deal.

i think the general public get upset that young back kids come out of high school and are already millionaires. didn't help that in 03 and 04 the #1 picks were kids straight out of high school.

stern needs to stop trying to appease the public and change rules in order to make basketball more suiting to the masses because its not gonna work. the negative opinions folks have about basketball players isn't gonna change anytime soon.
 6 years ago '11        #50
wjcorner 3 heat pts
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 Gattsau said:
Most jobs require some sort of education however being a nba player doesnt so what the fu*k are you talking about.

College in itself is a joke. Its sh*t in most cases only certain people truly need colleges, those looking to be a doctor, enginner, scientist a job like that.

Forcing kids to goto school is retarded. It does nothing for them.

You think stern is doing it for their best interst? No hes doing it to help the college game. That is all. He is doing it to allow colleges to make money off of these kids and pay them nothing. NCAA is a joke and takes advantage of these kids.....That is the reality.

Im not saying college is bad for some people, if you want to goto college than goto college, if you dont why should you have to?
we're just gonna have to disagree....everybody I know outta high school more than 5 years say college is a must. These players have lives after basketball, and there's no magic stock that will continually double their investment so that they don't have to work after basketball...everybody can't be an analyst or a high level/pro coach. Having a clear back-up plan isn't a bad thing. People talk badly about these organizations saying players are one injury away from having nothing, when it doesn't have to be like that.

And students can and should learn from college coaches how to transition from a high school player to a pro player...its not like time is wasted sitting on their hands. They're actively doing something to better themselves in their main career choice and have a stage to show their talent against their peers on a more equal playing field. All this with a free ride through school...most athletes get a g back on refund checks...you get a 3.0 and get one more scholarship and kids can easily get 4000 dollars going to their pockets each semester from refund checks and even if they decide college isn't for them they do their one year(or the proposed 2) and they're out...most people have to do at least 2 years to get a good job anyways.

And yeah I know stern isn't trying to be a white knight for troubled youth, but it's not like what he is proposing is something detrimental to anybody.
 6 years ago '04        #51
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 HipHop Since 93 said:
changing the age dont do nothing but help the NCAA make more money. Colleges make millions off their athletes while athletes receive no payment, doesn't sound fair to me.
tuition + room and board for free for 4 years is anywhere from 50k-200k when all 4 years are added up at these schools. get the fu*k out of where with that bullsh*t about them not being paid.
 6 years ago '04        #52
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If the nba required them to do 3-4 fours in high school we would have never seen the likes of these horrible players like Oden
 6 years ago '07        #53
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it's been proven that moving the age limit didn't make teams draft any better, and in fact they drafted better BEFORE. it also had a lot to do with NBA scouts not wanting to have to visit high school gyms.

there are notable examples of high school busts, but that's just the availability heuristic at work.
 6 years ago '11        #54
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 Gattsau said:
The thing you are still missing is that these kids do not goto school. Trust me when I was in college none of the basketball players went to class. fu*k our "star" pg was caught doing coke and nothing happened to him. These dudes are not real college students. I didnt even goto a major basketball school and still these players got away with murder and never went to class. Why must kids goto school if there are bette roptions out there. Ill take ur word for the 4000 dollar rebate I dont know anything about that, but I do know they aint getting paid sh*t and unis are caking off of them. If they take any money they get suspended. Sure having a degree is a good backup plan but it shouldnt be a must. This is a free country right? Who are you to tell someone they must get a college degree? If you feel you want a college degree go get one, you/stern dont have the right to tell someone what they should do with their live. I know plenty of people who have 4 year degrees or even advanced degress who are unemployed or underemployed. Heck goto a occupy rally and ask those people what degree they have and what their job is . College degree does not a.ssure u of a dam thing.



It is hurting them, they have a chance at being a millionare today and the rule fu*ks that up for them. What happens if they get hurt in college or their draft stock plummets? They dont get the same paycheck and probably never will.
actually most good employers can and do make a college degree mandatory and some prestigious jobs demand a 3.5 gpa...and if they injure themselves in school they still have a free ride. If their draft stock plummets, then the better for their future employer...thats like getting mad at college for a low gpa hindering your job options.
 6 years ago '11        #55
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 Gattsau said:
and can they use that money to buy what they want?

can they use it to go buy a burger if they want a burger?

They arent being paid, be real.

They are being forced to goto school and the colleges justify it by saying we are giving u a place to stay .

South park summed it up best.

Haven't players gone overseas for they year and played NBA as rookies the next? They have options...
 6 years ago '11        #56
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 Gattsau said:
What is your definiton of good?

I never said a degree cant help you, it can depending on your field. but there are many good jobs out there that do not require a degree.

heck in my city sanintion workers start out at 65k, no need for a degree.

correction officers 50k no need for a degree.

fire f!ghters after 10 years get boosted up to damn near 100k no need for a degree .

Facts are college tuition is going up but wages that you garnish with a college degree are going way down.

Just getting a degree is meaningless these days. Are you black? You sound like one of those old black ladies who is just proud of their kids for getting into college. Reality is much different. Tell me how much money people with 4 year psychology, liberal arts and sociology degrees are making.

Of course to be a doctor or something else prestigious they will require a degree, I said that in my inital post but if your going to be a doctor Im sure u will want to goto college.

Do you think the avg 1 or 2 year college student is trying to be a doctor. Can you even tell me what these kids are majoring in????

My point on their play affecting their draft status is just to give u a example of how going to college can bea risk.
statistics still show a college degree worker has a MUCH higher average salary...noone said jobs are guaranteed. And most management, corporate, and high level technical jobs require some degree or prior experience which is easier to get with a degree. The jobs you speak of are highly competitive...hell, its funny you bring up firef!ghting, my boy volunteered for a station for 2 years, got out of high school and they still said he needed some public service to qualify. Are there ways to survive without a degree? Absolutely...is it easier with one? Absolutely.

And I know the point you were making about risks, my point is that's something all students have the risk of happening.
 6 years ago '04        #57
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 Gattsau said:
and can they use that money to buy what they want?

can they use it to go buy a burger if they want a burger?

They arent being paid, be real.

They are being forced to goto school and the colleges justify it by saying we are giving u a place to stay .

South park summed it up best.

actually yes they can go buy a burger if they want. they get allowance money to buy sh*t like clothes and sh*t as well.
 6 years ago '04        #58
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 Gattsau said:
Oh so their option is to 1. Be unemployed.
2. Leave their country
or 3. be forced to goto school for 1 year where they dont get paid.


oh I forgot
4. Join the miltary.

Does that sound fair?

Why cant they do what they love to do and geet paid for it, if they are ready.

Would college have helped lebron, dwight howard or kobe in the slightest?
it might have helped lebron in some of those interviews sometimes here is out there talking like a retard and has no clue what he's saying
 6 years ago '11        #59
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 Gattsau said:
Oh so their option is to 1. Be unemployed.
2. Leave their country
or 3. be forced to goto school for 1 year where they dont get paid.


oh I forgot
4. Join the miltary.

Does that sound fair?

Why cant they do what they love to do and geet paid for it, if they are ready.

Would college have helped lebron, dwight howard or kobe in the slightest?
they can do what they love to do, go overseas or play in a smaller league...and Kobe has vouched for playing overseas for helping his game...with the way you talk colleges shouldn't teach english or high level math, just teach exactly what you'll do in your field. Matter fact, don't have college, have n*ggas get paid training on the job. Its not fair to stop these aspiring doctors and lawyers from doing what they love...
 6 years ago '11        #60
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 Gattsau said:
yes because those statics include guys like warren buffet..... billionaires....

The gap is nowhere near as wide as you think.

Again if you get a degree in the right field fu*k yeah its easier to finda job. However not everyone can be a doctor, not everyone can be a scientist. Not all college degrees are created equal, just getting a degree in order to get a great job is a myth nowadays. Its not the 90s.

As far s tech goes your crazy. My boy got a 2 year degree from a trade school in IT. He got on the job expierence right away and is now making a good salary at the NYPD. 4 year degrees in many cases are not worth it.
I didn't say you needed a 4 year degree I said you needed a degree...the 2 years he put up is equal to the 2 years you're campaigning against right now. And yeah, a college degree in dance won't net you a million job offers, but why would you get a degree in something that doesn't need it? That's the choice of the student, its not the military, they don't test your aptitude and shut off degrees from you.

And there are millionaires without degrees that jump the average up. If you look at the fine print most of these statistics take out the outliers
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