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 6 years ago '10        #161
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 ra1n said:
In order to understand what he's saying, you must have at least a basic understanding of String Theory.

Scientists have been trying to understand gravity at a microscopic level - trying to reconcile Einstein's General Relativity (gravity on a large scale) with Quantum Mechanics (behaviors of objects on a very small scale)

So, the leading theory worked on by scientists to try to understand how this works is String Theory a.k.a. The Theory of Everything

String Theory is a theory that postulates that our smallest known particles (subatomic particles) are made up of 1-dimensional "strings".

In other words, if String Theory is correct, at the smallest level - the universe is made up of vibrating strings.

The video is basically saying that scientists are baffled because some of the equations, drawn up in support of String Theory, reflect computer code.

(Remember: these equations are extremely complex, and only the brightest physicists/mathematicians can understand them.)

We must acknowledge that while the numbers may reflect reality - the implications drawn from them are purely in the realm of the theoretical.

String Theory also implies a bunch of other strange things like parallel universes, hidden dimensions, and an infinite amount of versions of you and me.

I recommend Brian Greene's documentaries if you're interested in more.
This...


just saw brian green give a speech at adelphi university ( on quantum topology)

I dont like string theory, feynman said something along the lines " the problem with this theory is that its too theoretical, these guys arent calculating anything"

but who knows it took over 100 years to work out the detail of E&M. string theory is in its infancy
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 6 years ago '05        #162
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been having a lot of deja vu/unexplainable sh*t happening lately.... glitches in the matrix it seems
 6 years ago '05        #163
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 Perplexity said:
For those saying it's stupid for people to denounce god but believe a theory like simulated reality, not so fast.

I don't believe in god in any religious sense, not just ONE anyway. All this bloodshed and f!ghting over different gods is the main reason why. A good portion of the most popular religions state that only THEIR god is the right one, if you believe in another one you are deemed to an eternity of hell. That just doesn't sit right with me. If you are a true christian than you must believe that Allah is a lie, so you can denounce someone else's god but I can't denounce yours? See my point?

Christians who beef with atheists who don't believe in their god are the biggest hypocrites. A large part of Christianity is dismissing all other religions and all other gods, so you can do it but I can't?
This train of thought is flawed...

First, as a true christian, i denouce any other God than YHWH himself. Doesnt make me a hypocrite, it just means that MY soul will be lost in eternal damnation if Buddha or Zeus is the actual one and almighty!

The christian/muslim argument is bogus too... YHWH and Allah are the same being.

 Perplexity said:
Ahh the "better safe than sorry" argument never ceases to amaze me. If your god does exist do you really think he's going to take the "safe over sorry" bullsh*t and not send your a.ss to hell with the rest of us? Doubt it.

Who's to say you are worshiping the right god anyway?
Faith only has to be as big as a mustard seed to gain access to heaven. So belief for the sake of saving you own a.ss is perfectly acceptable...


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 6 years ago '10        #164
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 illathruz said:
The elephant in the room that I haven't heard is that this paper was written in 2003 and since then, string theory and super-symmetry have come far due to the LHC at CERN.

Secondly, the esoteric nature of these ideas make it impossible for the layman here on boxden to refute off the cuff. I have read every comment in this thread and I am not sure if a single person actually read the paper. And I guess if your not going to read the paper, its unlikely you will read other scientists opinions on the paper.

So these two points lead me to an introduction of evidence that those reading this far into the thread may or may not find stimulating. It comes from Brian Greene, who was mentioned earlier in the thread, and from his book that was written in 2011. You know, when scientist say something they usually respond to each other. In the Hidden Reality, Brian Greene responds to Bostrom:

Nevertheless, Bostrom notes, the conclusion that we're in a simulation does not fully sever our grasp on the true underlying reality. Even if we believe that we're in a simulation, we can still identify one feature that the underlying reality definitely possess: it allows for realistic computer simulations. After all, according to our belief, we're in one. The unbridled skepticism generated by the suspicion that we're simulated aligns with that very knowledge and so fails to undermine it. While it was useful when we began to weigh anchor and declare the reality of all that seems real, it wasn't necessary. Logic alone can't ensure that we're not in a computer simulation. The only way to dodge the conclusion that we're likely living in a simulation is to leverage intrinsic weaknesses in the reasoning. Maybe sentience can't be simulated, full stop. pp 286 - 293

This was definitely a good post by the original poster. This is a question that has been thought about for years now, and I think will be thought about for a long time to come.
at least provide the link to the paper or to the british article the scientists is refering to.
 03-23-2012, 08:55 AM         #165
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 C. Wat said:
This train of thought is flawed...

First, as a true christian, i denouce any other God than YHWH himself. Doesnt make me a hypocrite, it just means that MY soul will be lost in eternal damnation if Buddha or Zeus is the actual one and almighty!

The christian/muslim argument is bogus too... YHWH and Allah are the same being.
Flawed because it goes against your own train of thought? I see.
 6 years ago '11        #166
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 mainevent4u88 said:
It means the movie "The Matrix" is probably not too far-fetched.
First thing that popped into my head....
 6 years ago '10        #167
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 TeddiGramz said:
How do we know which one of us is "The One"?
its me...
 6 years ago '09        #168
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 Freemind said:
some crazy a.ss sh*t.

basically what its saying is in the equations of string theory, which they're trying to use to describe the whole universe/nature itself if im not mistaken, you can find binary computer code... and not just random code, but a correcting code that was discovered in 1940 to make sure signals dont get mixed up and send the wrong message.

basically what that means, is we could possible not exist in the real universe... but it would be more likely that we are in a simulated universe... we exist on a super computer in the future. we think we exist because the artificial intelligence will be so good in the future it will be indistinguishable from actual conciseness. (this is what the 2nd guy was talking about, not the first guy who found the computer code.)

its a stretch yes, but it cannot be proven wrong.

and when you think about it further it could be true... everything we see, touch, smell, hear, taste all gets converted into electronic signals inside our body, and our brain turns these signals back into our surrounding... essentially you never can actually touch something, because its being turned into an electronic signal inside your body, and your brain projects the feeling of touch.

im kinda goin off topic now... but this stuff is just interesting to me.

i cant wait to see how we think about life and the universe in 10 year, 20 years, or even 30... the past 100 years has been crazy and its only speeding up

Same here fam. This kinda topic is interesting as hell to me asewll...
 6 years ago '06        #169
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 vuser88 said:
at least provide the link to the paper or to the british article the scientists is refering to.
british article? i typed that from the book that I own. I gave you the title, the author, and the page numbers. in short, what the fu*k are you talking about?

if you are talking about my second paragraph, maybe you should read the first fu*king post of this entire fu*king thread
 6 years ago '10        #170
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 WCIB said:
been having a lot of deja vu/unexplainable sh*t happening lately.... glitches in the matrix it seems
hmmm... now that i think about it that prob what it is when you have a deja vu,. its a glitch.
 6 years ago '10        #171
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 Freemind said:
some crazy a.ss sh*t.

basically what its saying is in the equations of string theory, which they're trying to use to describe the whole universe/nature itself if im not mistaken, you can find binary computer code... and not just random code, but a correcting code that was discovered in 1940 to make sure signals dont get mixed up and send the wrong message.

basically what that means, is we could possible not exist in the real universe... but it would be more likely that we are in a simulated universe... we exist on a super computer in the future. we think we exist because the artificial intelligence will be so good in the future it will be indistinguishable from actual conciseness. (this is what the 2nd guy was talking about, not the first guy who found the computer code.)

its a stretch yes, but it cannot be proven wrong.

and when you think about it further it could be true... everything we see, touch, smell, hear, taste all gets converted into electronic signals inside our body, and our brain turns these signals back into our surrounding... essentially you never can actually touch something, because its being turned into an electronic signal inside your body, and your brain projects the feeling of touch.

im kinda goin off topic now... but this stuff is just interesting to me.

i cant wait to see how we think about life and the universe in 10 year, 20 years, or even 30... the past 100 years has been crazy and its only speeding up


ah man very good write up g appreciate you putting it in basic terms. I wanna learn more about this
 6 years ago '05        #172
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 Freemind said:


do you know how much more advanced the beings that could create that would have to be? and the technology they would have to use?

to make an identical reality to that of your own, but in a virtual space is so far beyond us right now.

sure we can make video games like Grand Theft auto that "look" real... but its nothing close to real. And im not talking just graphics, im talking AI... the way they talk, and move... its a complete disgrace to actual reality.

but look at where we've come in a little of 30 years of video games.... from Pong to games like a.ssassins Creed... now take another 30 years, what virtual realities will we be making then... and then beyond that, and beyond that.


in 500 years we could be creating a virtual earth, everthing exactly like it is in nature down to the smallest level. or maybe even further at the rate we're going... we might possibly be making galaxies, or groups of galaxies... or possibly even entire universes.

we're advancing so fast with everything right now that we cant possibly predict what we'll be seeing in 25 years, let alone 50.
But to think that "beings" could simulate this world as welll as our own videogame universe within our "reality" is mind boggling to say the least so then that would mean that the universe is apart of this program as well so wat are aliens?
 6 years ago '04        #173
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 6 years ago '10        #174
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 calilove said:
What gets me is how people are willing to believe that we are living in a simulated reality and yet refuse to believe in the possibility of God existing.
Thats the thing. Rather we agree on the details of the "workings" or the operator(s) of those workings...when its all said & done we unknownigly all have the same foundation of thoughts. Religon & Science arent too contrasting from each other...its just people indulge personal opinions & deceive them as facts to counteract towards either religon/belief vs science (both parties are guilty).

God has a variety of meanings, its not esoteric....but the UnIverse is
 6 years ago '10        #175
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most of yall dont understand the concept of god, and no Im not talking about the everyday christian god

I guess we are imaginary because with out it we cant exist
 6 years ago '10        #176
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 Perplexity said:
For those saying it's stupid for people to denounce god but believe a theory like simulated reality, not so fast.

I don't believe in god in any religious sense, not just ONE anyway. All this bloodshed and f!ghting over different gods is the main reason why. A good portion of the most popular religions state that only THEIR god is the right one, if you believe in another one you are deemed to an eternity of hell. That just doesn't sit right with me. If you are a true christian than you must believe that Allah is a lie, so you can denounce someone else's god but I can't denounce yours? See my point?

Christians who beef with atheists who don't believe in their god are the biggest hypocrites. A large part of Christianity is dismissing all other religions and all other gods, so you can do it but I can't?
obviously doesnt know what im talking about so he attacks me

energy can not be created nor destroyed, it can only be transferred so in order for anything to happen there has to be a preternatural source

so in essence of god not existing we dont exist because we were not created

god doesnt have to be a what the Christians say he is for all we know god can be some 2 dimensional energy source that was the catalyst for the big bang

nothing from nothing leads to nothing and enerygy doesnt come from nothing nor is it completely destroyed, something existing outside our universe is where it comes from

i


hey but leave it up to yall and we are fake


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 6 years ago '04        #177
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 ra1n said:
In order to understand what he's saying, you must have at least a basic understanding of String Theory.

Scientists have been trying to understand gravity at a microscopic level - trying to reconcile Einstein's General Relativity (gravity on a large scale) with Quantum Mechanics (behaviors of objects on a very small scale)

So, the leading theory worked on by scientists to try to understand how this works is String Theory a.k.a. The Theory of Everything

String Theory is a theory that postulates that our smallest known particles (subatomic particles) are made up of 1-dimensional "strings".

In other words, if String Theory is correct, at the smallest level - the universe is made up of vibrating strings.

The video is basically saying that scientists are baffled because some of the equations, drawn up in support of String Theory, reflect computer code.

(Remember: these equations are extremely complex, and only the brightest physicists/mathematicians can understand them.)

We must acknowledge that while the numbers may reflect reality - the implications drawn from them are purely in the realm of the theoretical.

String Theory also implies a bunch of other strange things like parallel universes, hidden dimensions, and an infinite amount of versions of you and me.

I recommend Brian Greene's documentaries if you're interested in more.

and for that exact reason is why astral projection and the sh*t you encounter on dmt and salvia is possible....... and why animals can see and hear on a different frequency.. there is sh*t going on around us and in the universe that we are not ready for. real talk.
 6 years ago '10        #178
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and good/evil forces exist

youd be a fool to think this is the only life and there is no such thing as good and evil, yall need to take a look around and also read up on some teachings from our ancestors of this planet
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 illathruz said:
this is not true. i have studied string theory for years and have never once seen a postulate stating 1 + 1 = 3. I've seen a lot of misinformation in this thread but this is patently false and struck a chord within me.

if i am wrong, please shoot me a link showing where in string theory they say 1 + 1 = 3

Having different universes doesn't change the laws of math. its because the laws of math are so constant that infinite universes are possible.
Well, if we are a simulation, and simulations can be created in a wide variety of ways (after all, there are more simulations than actual organic life, right?), then someone can easily program a simulation where 1 + 1 = 3. Not a stretch at all...


 illathruz said:
The elephant in the room that I haven't heard is that this paper was written in 2003 and since then, string theory and super-symmetry have come far due to the LHC at CERN.

Secondly, the esoteric nature of these ideas make it impossible for the layman here on boxden to refute off the cuff. I have read every comment in this thread and I am not sure if a single person actually read the paper. And I guess if your not going to read the paper, its unlikely you will read other scientists opinions on the paper.

So these two points lead me to an introduction of evidence that those reading this far into the thread may or may not find stimulating. It comes from Brian Greene, who was mentioned earlier in the thread, and from his book that was written in 2011. You know, when scientist say something they usually respond to each other. In the Hidden Reality, Brian Greene responds to Bostrom:

Nevertheless, Bostrom notes, the conclusion that we're in a simulation does not fully sever our grasp on the true underlying reality. Even if we believe that we're in a simulation, we can still identify one feature that the underlying reality definitely possess: it allows for realistic computer simulations. After all, according to our belief, we're in one. The unbridled skepticism generated by the suspicion that we're simulated aligns with that very knowledge and so fails to undermine it. While it was useful when we began to weigh anchor and declare the reality of all that seems real, it wasn't necessary. Logic alone can't ensure that we're not in a computer simulation. The only way to dodge the conclusion that we're likely living in a simulation is to leverage intrinsic weaknesses in the reasoning. Maybe sentience can't be simulated, full stop. pp 286 - 293

This was definitely a good post by the original poster. This is a question that has been thought about for years now, and I think will be thought about for a long time to come.

I don't think string theory has come far due to the LHC at CERN. Pretty much the exact opposite:








Perhaps you should read more...
 6 years ago '10        #180
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 illathruz said:
this is not true. i have studied string theory for years and have never once seen a postulate stating 1 + 1 = 3. I've seen a lot of misinformation in this thread but this is patently false and struck a chord within me.

if i am wrong, please shoot me a link showing where in string theory they say 1 + 1 = 3

Having different universes doesn't change the laws of math. its because the laws of math are so constant that infinite universes are possible.
might not apply to string theory but 1+1=0 (moduli addition)
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