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 5 years ago '04        #701
PrisonRules 68 heat pts68
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so i been trading for a while 10+ years, not a pro or nothing but this is the first time i do not understand my total gains/loss.

the way i have always looked at it was like this ie

acct start: 2k
gains/loss: 8k
acct end: 10k

so now i have 8k in realized gains

now say with them same funds i win some and lose some...

with them same funds say i go all in with 10k and sell everything to where my acct is now only 1k.

it seems to me my total gain/loss would now be -9k.

im just using those numbers cuz its easy to work with. the reason im asking ? is cuz my brokerage is saying my loss about 6k less than what it should be.

what am i not taking into account?
 5 years ago '08        #702
o7media 37 heat pts37
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 2totimes said:
so i been trading for a while 10+ years, not a pro or nothing but this is the first time i do not understand my total gains/loss.

the way i have always looked at it was like this ie

acct start: 2k
gains/loss: 8k
acct end: 10k

so now i have 8k in realized gains

now say with them same funds i win some and lose some...

with them same funds say i go all in with 10k and sell everything to where my acct is now only 1k.

it seems to me my total gain/loss would now be -9k.

im just using those numbers cuz its easy to work with. the reason im asking ? is cuz my brokerage is saying my loss about 6k less than what it should be.

what am i not taking into account?

Based on your example, your -9k at the end is based on the 10k max it reached. You should be counting from 2k not 10k. That's how it's totaled for tax purposes. So really if you went from 2k to 10k back down to 1k...you're only down 1k from your start.


There's probably just a math error on your end regarding the 6k difference you're getting at.
 5 years ago '04        #703
PrisonRules 68 heat pts68
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 o7media said:
Based on your example, your -9k at the end is based on the 10k max it reached. You should be counting from 2k not 10k. That's how it's totaled for tax purposes. So really if you went from 2k to 10k back down to 1k...you're only down 1k from your start.


There's probably just a math error on your end regarding the 6k difference you're getting at.
i see what youre saying but if the acct stayed at 10. id be paying taxes on the the 8. so likewise if i lost 8 that was made thats still a tax loss.
 5 years ago '08        #704
o7media 37 heat pts37
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 2totimes said:
i see what youre saying but if the acct stayed at 10. id be paying taxes on the the 8. so likewise if i lost 8 that was made thats still a tax loss.
If it's after the year is over yes.

But if it's before December 31st then you have to calculate it from your principle amount.
 5 years ago '10        #705
Ambassador 444 heat pts444
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I see we got another weak NFP #.

Funny how everyone was expecting something positive to come out in the first place.

TGIF, though. I need some time off
 5 years ago '08        #706
o7media 37 heat pts37
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Strong close on FB, PM, and GPS. All outperformed the triple digit sell off. Holding all my positions over the weekend.


 5 years ago '08        #707
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 o7media said:
Strong close on FB, PM, and GPS. All outperformed the triple digit sell off. Holding all my positions over the weekend.



FB +2%
PM +.6%
GPS +.2%


Dow -55


 5 years ago '08        #708
o7media 37 heat pts37
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Sold my PM 90x calls at 1.35 from my .80 entry. +68.9%.

+$775


Still holding my FB calls, up almost 3 grand now on them.
 5 years ago '08        #709
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 o7media said:
Sold my PM 90x calls at 1.35 from my .80 entry. +68.9%.

+$775


Still holding my FB calls, up almost 3 grand now on them.

damn 07 well done

how much of an investment did you make to be up that much on your options?
thinking of getting into the options game in a market like this...if I start I'll definately get your membership, I got paid nicely the last time I subscribed to your stock website.
 5 years ago '08        #710
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 Snappy said:
damn 07 well done

how much of an investment did you make to be up that much on your options?
thinking of getting into the options game in a market like this...if I start I'll definately get your membership, I got paid nicely the last time I subscribed to your stock website.
Thanks..

On PM I had 15 contracts at .80 so invested $1,200.

FB I have 50 contracts at .41 so just over $2,000.

 5 years ago '08        #711
o7media 37 heat pts37
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 o7media said:
Sold my PM 90x calls at 1.35 from my .80 entry. +68.9%.

+$775


Still holding my FB calls, up almost 3 grand now on them.

Damn PM still flying. 1.60 on those calls now. I left about $400 on the table
 07-09-2012, 11:53 AM         #712
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Opened two contracts on Cocoa this morning at market open, caught a price of 2255, sold at 2335 for a $1600 profit. Not bad for a few hours of work. I think the trend might be up on Cocoa though, probably as high as 2375, so I'm probably gonna reopen that long position depending on what it does does tomorrow.
 5 years ago '10        #713
Ambassador 444 heat pts444
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Not a horrible day.

$AA had an OK report. Don't think it is a market mover. I'd like to see a flush to the 1340 mark. But we might go higher before FOMC minutes this week.

Everyone and their mother still expecting QE3

Oh, 07, not bad on the $FB calls. I'd be looking likeif I cashed in on that this morning.


 5 years ago '08        #714
o7media 37 heat pts37
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^ I held though, ended up giving back 2/3 of the gains on FB ....but I'm still looking for more upside so hopefully it plays out.

Had I gotten perfect exits on everything today including GPS I would have made over 5 grand.

 5 years ago '08        #715
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 iNsane said:
[B]Not a horrible day.

$AA had an OK report. Don't think it is a market mover. I'd like to see a flush to the 1340 mark. But we might go higher before FOMC minutes this week.

That was my original target for this week too. But........ this just hit the wires....

BREAKING EU's Juncker: Spain to receive rescue funds. €30 Billion ready for Spain end-July

Asia and Australia rallying on the news.


 5 years ago '10        #716
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 o7media said:
That was my original target for this week too. But........ this just hit the wires....

BREAKING EU's Juncker: Spain to receive rescue funds. €30 Billion ready for Spain end-July

Asia and Australia rallying on the news.






Futures down -4 on China data

 5 years ago '10        #717
Ambassador 444 heat pts444
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Perhaps we move higher into Friday to bid up premium in options market.
 5 years ago '10        #718
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I have plans around noon time. Gonna play around with some patterns. I know you like patterns o7

And I love how we can view futures on E-Trade pro now. They're finally upgrading this platform
 07-10-2012, 10:10 AM         #719
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^^ That's why I fu*k with ThinkorSwim TDAmeritrade.
 5 years ago '10        #720
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I agree. TOS has pretty much everything. But it's so detailed, I get frustrated with all their options and what not. It's fully loaded nonetheless.



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