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 Is Chris Paul or Derrick Rose the best point guard in the NBA? - ESPN


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By Chris Palmer, ESPN The Magazine, February 22, 2012



Chris Paul and Derrick Rose are undoubtedly the game's top two point guards. Their styles are a study in contrast. Each player uses a different set of finely honed skills to overwhelm and bewilder opponents.


Their matchups are among the most intriguing individual faceoffs in the league, and on Sunday they'll start opposite each other in the All-Star Game. But before they do that, we'll break down these talented lead guards, one category at a time, to determine which one is the better player.


Ballhandling


Paul is simply as flawless a ballhandler as the league has seen. He has stripped flash from his game and uses only the dribble to gain an advantage. He can stop on a dime with a pull-back crossover on the elbow or freeze a big man with an in-and-out dribble with either hand.


But one of Paul's best weapons is his half dribble -- faking a spin move -- which defenders are forced to play honest. Many point guards consider it one of the trickiest moves to defend. "It's so tough because he does it so fast," Denver Nuggets point guard Ty Lawson says. "You have to a.ssume he's going to spin." In traffic Paul keeps the ball low and close to his body, which makes it very hard to strip, as evident in a career-low 2.2 turnovers per game.


Rose's handle doesn't quite have the fluidity of Paul's but is nonetheless airtight. It's tough to find a quicker crossover than Rose's, which he can snap left-to-right and back in a flash, making it extremely difficult to recover. It's this ability to cover ground laterally that's become a crucial weapon in creating shots for himself and others. Rose can slalom to the rim quicker than most guys can get there in a straight line, zipping through collapsing holes in the nick of time. He's also got a terrific step-back move in which he keeps his dribble then rockets toward the rim after the defender commits his momentum forward.


Scores (out of 10): Paul 10, Rose 10


Passing


Thanks to his keen understanding of when and where to give teammates the ball, Paul is at his best when setting the table for others. He's one of the best at throwing the lob in transition, but really shines when tossing it out of a pick-and-roll from the elbow.


Like any high-IQ point guard, Paul understands the ball can be advanced much more quickly with the pass than the dribble. In transition he looks for teammates running their lanes as soon as he grabs a defensive rebound and keeps one-handed passes, which can't be as easily controlled, to a minimum. "Fundamentally, his passes are perfect," Los Angeles Clippers a.ssistant Robert Pack says. "Making the right pass leads to great execution."


Case-in-point: A split second before Blake Griffin's monstrous dunk over Kendrick Perkins on Jan. 30, Paul delivered a perfect 8-foot, two-handed bounce pass as Griffin rolled to the rim. "If it's off even a little, that dunk doesn't happen," Pack says.


While Rose is far from a pure point, he creates passing opportunities by drawing defenses to him in the lane and then dropping the ball off to a big man or cutter. Thanks to his long arms and deft body control, he's become quite adept at getting Chicago's big men easy buckets with his wraparound passes.


Scores: Paul 10, Rose 9.5


Leaping ability


Among the point guard set, only the Oklahoma City Thunder's Russell Westbrook has better springs than Rose. The former No. 1 overall pick uses two legs to burst off the floor with super-quick blasts, which makes successful help defense a risky proposition. What's more, his body control and strength in the air allow him to release and make off-balance shots despite incoming body shots.


Paul is a solid athlete, but he's at his most effective when he stays on the ground. His hops aren't bad but he rarely gains an advantage using his leaping ability. "Chris is definitely a below-the-rim athlete, but he can still be effective," Pack says.


Scores: Paul 7, Rose 10


Finishing


Here we'll look at Rose and Paul's effectiveness in the paint. While Paul's penetration is a task to contain -- he's got a keen ability to anticipate where holes will open up -- it pales in comparison to his Windy City counterpart.


Rose simply beats you with his f!ghter-jet speed and all out aggression. "He gets this look in his eyes and you know he's out for blood," Lawson says. On his right-hand drives down the lane, he cuffs the ball in his arm like a running back, which helps him accelerate after picking up his dribble and prevents the ball from being slapped away. Another one of his pet moves at the rim is an up-and-under reverse he uses to finish on either side that forces defenders to foul.


While Paul doesn't go all the way to the basket often, he makes up for it with a high-arching teardrop runner that he puts out of reach of even the longest big men. Both points are highly effective in the paint, but Rose gets the nod here because of his ability at point-blank range.


"Rose is definitely harder to guard," Heat guard Mario Chalmers says. "It's not just one thing, but a combination of things. His speed, power and size together make him a huge challenge. Everything about his game is just so tough to deal with."


Scores: Paul 9, Rose 10


Speed and quickness


Rose is the NBA's speediest guard in both the open court and in small spaces. In the half court, from the 3-point line to the basket, he can change direction several times without sacrificing speed. "There's no staying in front of him," LeBron James says. "You know once he's headed toward the rim you'll need help."


One of the scariest sights to a backpedaling defender is Rose barreling down on him at full speed in transition. Defenders are forced to turn and run with Rose to keep up, which puts them in poor defensive position. "We are very good when he's attacking like that," Chicago Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau says.


Due to knee issues, Paul has lost some of his floor speed. He more often prefers to walk the ball up and point people in the right direction as opposed to pushing the tempo. But in half-court sets he can still accelerate with the best of them, particularly after a hesitation dribble from the top of the key when his man is on an island. Paul's unusually low center of gravity makes his quickness even more formidable against taller defenders.


Scores: Paul 8.5, Rose 10


Shooting


Good shooting starts with quality shot selection, and Paul has no equal in that category. The seven-year vet is ultra-selective when shooting from behind the arc -- just three attempts per game -- and scarcely takes a bad shot from deep. As a result, he's shooting a career-best 44 percent from 3-point territory. Simply put, he's arguably the best shooting point in the league.


Perhaps no point guard can create his own pull-up opportunities from 10-15 feet as effectively as Derrick Rose, but it's not a shot Rose is comfortable with. He still has a tendency to unnecessarily fade or lean in after he elevates. Rose struggles with a somewhat flat 3-point release (32 percent from deep), yet still shoots it from behind the line an excessive 4.3 times per game.


It's very likely that Rose's great athleticism is hindering his shot development, as he simply has a more effective method to score the ball. His saving grace is his unorthodox runner. "I feel like I can make that shot just about every time," Rose says.


Scores: Paul 10, Rose 7


Defense


It's commonly thought that Paul, a three-time NBA All-Defense Team member, is much more complete defensively than the young MVP. However, Rose is a very good one-on-one defender and is more effective guarding the ball-handler in the pick-and-roll.


Still, Paul is clearly the more knowledgeable defender. He's got an overstuffed bag of tricks, like crowding his man before he can get into his initial move and using his upper-body strength to deftly body the ball-handler -- without fouling -- to knock him off balance when he penetrates. He is great at anticipating which direction players will drive and what they will do with the ball, and he makes a living swiping at the ball and knocking it loose in traffic (2.28 steals per game).


Rose has made significant defensive improvements in the past couple of seasons by cutting down on his gambling, improving his decision-making and f!ghting through picks more effectively. He's also developing a rep for LeBron-like come-from-behind blocks and is blocking shots at the same pace as he did last season, when he became just the second point guard in league history to block 50 shots while handing out 500 a.ssists.


Score: Paul. 9.5, Rose 9


The winner: Derrick Rose
Final score: Rose 65.5, Paul 64


You could hardly go wrong with either point guard in your backcourt. Both exhibit the type of leadership, unselfishness and intelligence you can build a championship dynasty around. Kobe Bryant recently praised both Paul and Rose as the only other players he felt could match his competitive drive.


But thanks to his supreme athleticism, game-breaking scoring ability and laser focus, Rose is the better player. Rose's combination of skills makes him a matchup problem for everyone he faces, and he has the smarts and temperament to run any system.


There are those who prefer Paul's pure brand of pass-first basketball, and he's in the midst of putting together one of the best careers by a 6-foot lead guard. Paul's intelligence in running the pick-and-roll and his ability to consistently get and knock down clean looks will make him a force in this league for a long time. But right now, Rose has no equal. image

Chris Palmer has been a frequent contributor to ESPN The Magazine and ESPN.com's NBA coverage since 1999.

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 6 years ago '05        #2
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Uh, Rose ain't that close to Paul in passing. If you gonna give him a 9.5 you gotta give Paul a 12 or some sh*t.
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 6 years ago '10        #3
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i dont give a damn abt the ratings, Paul is a better pure PG. No hate towards D Rose at all. Chris Paul b out their toyin wit n*ggas, he could easily drop 30 a game if he wanted too
 6 years ago '05        #4
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As if D Rose don't toy with his opponents.. the hate for Rose on BX is amazing LOL.
 6 years ago '07        #5
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 6 years ago '10        #6
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Rose better


















sike nah
 6 years ago '06        #7
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Good review. Wtf they talking to Robert Pack though??
 6 years ago '06        #8
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These n*ggas really think Rose is more clutch than Paul?

And Rose got a 9.5 for passing?

Paul is better IMO.
 6 years ago '11        #9
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No hate but CP3 is the best point guard in the league. No weakness! If HE WANTS. He can drop 30 a game. Efficiently also.


At CP3 being .5 better than Rose in passing

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 6 years ago '11        #10
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....I know D Rose's D is a work in progress but didnt know it was a 9 already
 6 years ago '11        #11
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Leaping ability? That is how you judge a PG these days?
 6 years ago '04        #12
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Paul has been the best PG in the league for years. fu*king retarded article.
 02-23-2012, 12:25 PM         #13
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 Kevin said:
leaping ability?
finishing at the basket?

how about closing a game out?

Yea cuz Rose hasn't closed out more games than Paul in the last 2 years.
fu*k outta here.

Take your lil B f*ggot liking a.ss outta here.
 6 years ago '07        #14
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 kingpin222 said:
Uh, Rose ain't that close to Paul in passing. If you gonna give him a 9.5 you gotta give Paul a 12 or some sh*t.
exactly lol.i stopped readin after that.i cant recall eva seein rose throw a wraparound pass to a big guy

either this espn dude is trollin or he just dont watch enough
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Oh, and by the way.............

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By Chris Palmer, ESPN The Magazine, February 22, 2012



Chris Paul and Derrick Rose are undoubtedly the game's top two point guards. Their styles are a study in contrast. Each player uses a different set of finely honed skills to overwhelm and bewilder opponents.


Their matchups are among the most intriguing individual faceoffs in the league, and on Sunday they'll start opposite each other in the All-Star Game. But before they do that, we'll break down these talented lead guards, one category at a time, to determine which one is the better player.


Ballhandling


Paul is simply as flawless a ballhandler as the league has seen. He has stripped flash from his game and uses only the dribble to gain an advantage. He can stop on a dime with a pull-back crossover on the elbow or freeze a big man with an in-and-out dribble with either hand.


But one of Paul's best weapons is his half dribble -- faking a spin move -- which defenders are forced to play honest. Many point guards consider it one of the trickiest moves to defend. "It's so tough because he does it so fast," Denver Nuggets point guard Ty Lawson says. "You have to a.ssume he's going to spin." In traffic Paul keeps the ball low and close to his body, which makes it very hard to strip, as evident in a career-low 2.2 turnovers per game.


Rose's handle doesn't quite have the fluidity of Paul's but is nonetheless airtight. It's tough to find a quicker crossover than Rose's, which he can snap left-to-right and back in a flash, making it extremely difficult to recover. It's this ability to cover ground laterally that's become a crucial weapon in creating shots for himself and others. Rose can slalom to the rim quicker than most guys can get there in a straight line, zipping through collapsing holes in the nick of time. He's also got a terrific step-back move in which he keeps his dribble then rockets toward the rim after the defender commits his momentum forward.


Scores (out of 10): Paul 10, Rose 10


Passing


Thanks to his keen understanding of when and where to give teammates the ball, Paul is at his best when setting the table for others. He's one of the best at throwing the lob in transition, but really shines when tossing it out of a pick-and-roll from the elbow.


Like any high-IQ point guard, Paul understands the ball can be advanced much more quickly with the pass than the dribble. In transition he looks for teammates running their lanes as soon as he grabs a defensive rebound and keeps one-handed passes, which can't be as easily controlled, to a minimum. "Fundamentally, his passes are perfect," Los Angeles Clippers a.ssistant Robert Pack says. "Making the right pass leads to great execution."


Case-in-point: A split second before Blake Griffin's monstrous dunk over Kendrick Perkins on Jan. 30, Paul delivered a perfect 8-foot, two-handed bounce pass as Griffin rolled to the rim. "If it's off even a little, that dunk doesn't happen," Pack says.


While Rose is far from a pure point, he creates passing opportunities by drawing defenses to him in the lane and then dropping the ball off to a big man or cutter. Thanks to his long arms and deft body control, he's become quite adept at getting Chicago's big men easy buckets with his wraparound passes.


Scores: Paul 10, Rose 9.5


Leaping ability


Among the point guard set, only the Oklahoma City Thunder's Russell Westbrook has better springs than Rose. The former No. 1 overall pick uses two legs to burst off the floor with super-quick blasts, which makes successful help defense a risky proposition. What's more, his body control and strength in the air allow him to release and make off-balance shots despite incoming body shots.


Paul is a solid athlete, but he's at his most effective when he stays on the ground. His hops aren't bad but he rarely gains an advantage using his leaping ability. "Chris is definitely a below-the-rim athlete, but he can still be effective," Pack says.


Scores: Paul 7, Rose 10


Finishing


Here we'll look at Rose and Paul's effectiveness in the paint. While Paul's penetration is a task to contain -- he's got a keen ability to anticipate where holes will open up -- it pales in comparison to his Windy City counterpart.


Rose simply beats you with his f!ghter-jet speed and all out aggression. "He gets this look in his eyes and you know he's out for blood," Lawson says. On his right-hand drives down the lane, he cuffs the ball in his arm like a running back, which helps him accelerate after picking up his dribble and prevents the ball from being slapped away. Another one of his pet moves at the rim is an up-and-under reverse he uses to finish on either side that forces defenders to foul.


While Paul doesn't go all the way to the basket often, he makes up for it with a high-arching teardrop runner that he puts out of reach of even the longest big men. Both points are highly effective in the paint, but Rose gets the nod here because of his ability at point-blank range.


"Rose is definitely harder to guard," Heat guard Mario Chalmers says. "It's not just one thing, but a combination of things. His speed, power and size together make him a huge challenge. Everything about his game is just so tough to deal with."


Scores: Paul 9, Rose 10


Speed and quickness


Rose is the NBA's speediest guard in both the open court and in small spaces. In the half court, from the 3-point line to the basket, he can change direction several times without sacrificing speed. "There's no staying in front of him," LeBron James says. "You know once he's headed toward the rim you'll need help."


One of the scariest sights to a backpedaling defender is Rose barreling down on him at full speed in transition. Defenders are forced to turn and run with Rose to keep up, which puts them in poor defensive position. "We are very good when he's attacking like that," Chicago Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau says.


Due to knee issues, Paul has lost some of his floor speed. He more often prefers to walk the ball up and point people in the right direction as opposed to pushing the tempo. But in half-court sets he can still accelerate with the best of them, particularly after a hesitation dribble from the top of the key when his man is on an island. Paul's unusually low center of gravity makes his quickness even more formidable against taller defenders.


Scores: Paul 8.5, Rose 10


Shooting


Good shooting starts with quality shot selection, and Paul has no equal in that category. The seven-year vet is ultra-selective when shooting from behind the arc -- just three attempts per game -- and scarcely takes a bad shot from deep. As a result, he's shooting a career-best 44 percent from 3-point territory. Simply put, he's arguably the best shooting point in the league.


Perhaps no point guard can create his own pull-up opportunities from 10-15 feet as effectively as Derrick Rose, but it's not a shot Rose is comfortable with. He still has a tendency to unnecessarily fade or lean in after he elevates. Rose struggles with a somewhat flat 3-point release (32 percent from deep), yet still shoots it from behind the line an excessive 4.3 times per game.


It's very likely that Rose's great athleticism is hindering his shot development, as he simply has a more effective method to score the ball. His saving grace is his unorthodox runner. "I feel like I can make that shot just about every time," Rose says.


Scores: Paul 10, Rose 7


Defense


It's commonly thought that Paul, a three-time NBA All-Defense Team member, is much more complete defensively than the young MVP. However, Rose is a very good one-on-one defender and is more effective guarding the ball-handler in the pick-and-roll.


Still, Paul is clearly the more knowledgeable defender. He's got an overstuffed bag of tricks, like crowding his man before he can get into his initial move and using his upper-body strength to deftly body the ball-handler -- without fouling -- to knock him off balance when he penetrates. He is great at anticipating which direction players will drive and what they will do with the ball, and he makes a living swiping at the ball and knocking it loose in traffic (2.28 steals per game).


Rose has made significant defensive improvements in the past couple of seasons by cutting down on his gambling, improving his decision-making and f!ghting through picks more effectively. He's also developing a rep for LeBron-like come-from-behind blocks and is blocking shots at the same pace as he did last season, when he became just the second point guard in league history to block 50 shots while handing out 500 a.ssists.


Score: Paul. 9.5, Rose 9


The winner: Derrick Rose
Final score: Rose 65.5, Paul 64


You could hardly go wrong with either point guard in your backcourt. Both exhibit the type of leadership, unselfishness and intelligence you can build a championship dynasty around. Kobe Bryant recently praised both Paul and Rose as the only other players he felt could match his competitive drive.


But thanks to his supreme athleticism, game-breaking scoring ability and laser focus, Rose is the better player. Rose's combination of skills makes him a matchup problem for everyone he faces, and he has the smarts and temperament to run any system.


There are those who prefer Paul's pure brand of pass-first basketball, and he's in the midst of putting together one of the best careers by a 6-foot lead guard. Paul's intelligence in running the pick-and-roll and his ability to consistently get and knock down clean looks will make him a force in this league for a long time. But right now, Rose has no equal.

Chris Palmer has been a frequent contributor to ESPN The Magazine and ESPN.com's NBA coverage since 1999.

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 6 years ago '05        #16
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 Kevin said:
leaping ability?
finishing at the basket?

how about closing a game out?

How about you logging off and going outside .. 20,000 post in less than 2 years ..
 02-23-2012, 12:29 PM         #17
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And the fact that no one realizes how good of a passer Rose has become..

or how much he has improved on the defensive end..

Boxden is hopeless.
Wahhhhh Paul is more of a "pure" point guard.
Well guess, the league isn't the same as it used to be.

Everyone else can pick Paul for being more "pure"
Ill take Rose, the better player, and equally good teammate.

And my Point God don't flop like no bi*ch


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 02-23-2012, 12:31 PM         #18
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 r.burgundy said:
exactly lol.i stopped readin after that.i cant recall eva seein rose throw a wraparound pass to a big guy

either this espn dude is trollin or he just dont watch enough
isn't this the perfect video


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 02-23-2012, 12:31 PM         #19
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 Hold That said:
How about you logging off and going outside .. 20,000 post in less than 2 years ..
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 Chip Tha Ripper said:
And the fact that no one realizes how good of a passer Rose has become..

or how much he has improved on the defensive end..

Boxden is hopeless.
Wahhhhh Paul is more of a "pure" point guard.
Well guess, the league isn't the same as it used to be.

Everyone else can pick Paul for being more "pure"
Ill take Rose, the better player, and equally good teammate.

And my Point God don't flop like no bi*ch
steph curry says hi

how about u post videos of roses wraparound passes this article says he's gotten so good at.i'll wait...
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