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 02-09-2012, 09:02 PM         #61
SeaJaiye 
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 sho 2010 said:
do it when it matters

doin that sh*t against the raptors and twolvs aint hard
think u missed the bulls/celtics series last year he struggled with zone defense/deferring to d wade in the finals last year, but to say the man isnt clutch after all the clutch sh*t he does in his career is disrespectful
 6 years ago '05        #62
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 SeaJaiye said:
espn really brainwashin the fu*k outta ppl kobe didnt do anything in the 4th quarter of game 7 2010 finals........i dont remember him doing anything clutch in the 2009/2010 championships actually................
ESPN?

really? the network that rides LeBrons d!ck worst than you and Philly337 ?

fu*k outta here......
 6 years ago '05        #63
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Lakers....

only team that makes people from all states in the U.S become LeBron fans all of a sudden and hate on...



MJ - "Kobe’s the only one to have done the work, to deserve comparison"

Legends Recognize Future Legends....
 02-09-2012, 09:09 PM         #64
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A guy with a Lakers logo in his signature being a blind Lakers sackrider? That doesn't sound like the Boxden I know....
 02-09-2012, 09:09 PM         #65
SeaJaiye 
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#wtfkobe is trending rite now
 6 years ago '05        #66
PussyFiend 
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 SteveSS said:
A guy with a Lakers logo in his signature being a blind Lakers sackrider? That doesn't sound like the Boxden I know....
Why you even speakin on this subject though.....you from detroit

worry about Joe Dumars not fu*king up that sh*tty franchise even more

 02-09-2012, 09:13 PM         #67
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Hey does your state have enough money to give it's residents tax returns yet?
 6 years ago '08        #68
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 philly337 said:
Well lets see..

He shoots better on game winning shots in the reg season
He performs better in the final 5 minutes of play in the reg season
He performs better overall in the playoffs
He shoots better on game winning shots in the playoffs
He performs better in the final 5 minutes if play in the playoffs
They both have sucked in the finals


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 6 years ago '06        #69
philly337 20 heat pts20 OP
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 pus*yFiend said:


did you become an NBA fan this yr?

did you miss last yr's finals.....

your idol LeBrick needs to be reminded that theres 4 qrts in an NBA game.....stop hiding and passing the ball in clutch situations
I guess ill son you..you been asking for it all night

Gw shot % reg season

LeBron 34%
Kobe 27% (prob 25% now)

Gw shots in the playoffs

LeBron 5 for 11
Kobe 6 for 27

Overall in the playoffs

LeBron 28 ppg, 8.4 apg, 7 rpg, 46% fg%, 32% 3pt%
Kobe 25.4 ppg, 5.1 apg, 4.8 rpg, 45% fg%, 34% 3pt%

Final 5 minutes of play with game within 5 points (past 4 years)









And LeBron hasn't performed but neither has Kobe...in 4 of 7 finals appearances he has shot 42%, 40%, 38%, and 37%....not to mention shooting 6-24 in a game 7, getting blown out by 39 against the Celtics in the finals, and losing a 20 point lead at home in the finals....and don't get me started on getting swept by the mavs and losing by damn near 40 in the closeout game and losing the 3-1 lead to the suns....


Pops collar...stick to what espn tells you


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 02-09-2012, 09:20 PM         #70
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 philly337 said:
I guess ill son you..you been asking for it all night

Gw shot % reg season

LeBron 34%
Kobe 27% (prob 25% now)

Gw shots in the playoffs

LeBron 5 for 11
Kobe 6 for 27

Overall in the playoffs

LeBron 28 ppg, 8.4 apg, 7 rpg, 46% fg%, 32% 3pt%
Kobe 25.4 ppg, 5.1 apg, 4.8 rpg, 45% fg%, 34% 3pt%



And LeBron hasn't performed but neither has Kobe...in 4 of 7 finals appearances he has shot 42%, 40%, 38%, and 37%....not to mention shooting 6-24 in a game 7, getting blown out by 39 against the Celtics in the finals, and losing a 20 point lead at home in the finals....and don't get me started on getting swept by the mavs and losing by damn near 40 in the closeout game and losing the 3-1 lead to the suns....


Pops collar...stick to what espn tells you
 02-09-2012, 09:20 PM         #71
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 philly337 said:
I guess ill son you..you been asking for it all night

Gw shot % reg season

LeBron 34%
Kobe 27% (prob 25% now)

Gw shots in the playoffs

LeBron 5 for 11
Kobe 6 for 27

Overall in the playoffs

LeBron 28 ppg, 8.4 apg, 7 rpg, 46% fg%, 32% 3pt%
Kobe 25.4 ppg, 5.1 apg, 4.8 rpg, 45% fg%, 34% 3pt%



And LeBron hasn't performed but neither has Kobe...in 4 of 7 finals appearances he has shot 42%, 40%, 38%, and 37%....not to mention shooting 6-24 in a game 7, getting blown out by 39 against the Celtics in the finals, and losing a 20 point lead at home in the finals....and don't get me started on getting swept by the mavs and losing by damn near 40 in the closeout game and losing the 3-1 lead to the suns....


Pops collar...stick to what espn tells you
i dont think his brain can handle all that ether.............will probably bring up 5 rings and post some old a.ss pic
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 6 years ago '06        #72
philly337 20 heat pts20 OP
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 GrownmanJ said:

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Check the post below you and quit being brainwashed by espn. Don't forget before he went to mia bron was on espn weekly hitting game winners. The only one who said he want clutch was skip bayless and everyone said he was bat sh*t crazy. Then he went to Miami and everybody jumped on board
 6 years ago '10        #73
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 Kasssssst said:
I want to point one thing out...

outside of

Goldie Lock/Bynum/Gasol/Fisher

who the hell else does he have to pass to?

Can't no one on this team make fu*king shots
as a kobe fan, i dont know how more hardcore d!ck riders can come up with excuse after excuse after excuse
 6 years ago '11        #74
Backflipz 84 heat pts84
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Yo what the fu*k was kobe doing tonight? He been unclutch all season! This n*gga was throwin up bricks like he was a construction worker Got bailed out by Pau again

He was just chucking sh*t up and when it luckily went in he acted like it was cold blooded

n*gga that's the law of probability
 6 years ago '06        #75
philly337 20 heat pts20 OP
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fu*king ghost town in here now
 6 years ago '05        #76
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So we really got LeBrons biggest stans talking about ESPN brainwashing people


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TEBOW AND LEBRICK = ESPN MOST TALKED ABOUT ATHLETES


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 6 years ago '06        #77
philly337 20 heat pts20 OP
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 pus*yFiend said:
So we really got LeBrons biggest stans talking about ESPN brainwashing people


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TEBOW AND LEBRICK = ESPN MOST TALKED ABOUT ATHLETES


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Men lie women lie...numbers don't. I like how you skipped the post

Here's a video for you


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 6 years ago '12        #78
DoMieD 5 heat pts
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 Kasssssst said:
I want to point one thing out...

outside of

Goldie Lock/Bynum/Gasol/Fisher

who the hell else does he have to pass to?

Can't no one on this team make fu*king shots
Damn.. Sounds like the story of LBJ's career.. And he ain't even have anything close to those 4 options until last year and even then he still only had 3.
 6 years ago '06        #79
philly337 20 heat pts20 OP
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And here's an article.....lebrons team in clutch + 126 (winning them games) kobes team in clutch -13 (losing them games)

Closer.

Assassin.

Cold-blooded k!ller.

Over the past few seasons, these labels have become synonymous with Kobe Bryant, the NBA's preeminent king of clutch. Time and time again, we have witnessed Bryant's heroics at the end of games. The Lakers star had a league-leading six game winners in the final 10 seconds of games in 2009-10, with his flair for the dramatic seemingly becoming a weekly fixture.

Bryant is, by all accounts, the player you want to have the ball when the game is on the line.

So why do the numbers say otherwise? Or, more to the point, why do they suggest LeBron James, not Bryant, has performed better in the clutch recently?

The hard data

To be clear, no two people will have identical opinions of when a basketball game enters the proverbial game-on-the-line territory. But if we stick to the generally accepted criteria of clutch -- thanks to the go-to crunch-time source 82games.com -- we draw the line at less than 5 minutes left in the fourth quarter or overtime, with the game within five points. Using those thresholds, we see some eye-catching facts: Despite Bryant's six game winners last season, James bested him in just about every statistical category down the stretch in clutch situations.

Here are the facts: James has posted a mind-boggling 47.2 Player Efficiency Rating while averaging 48.1 points on 45 percent shooting, 10.9 rebounds and 5.6 a.ssists per 40 minutes in the clutch over the past two seasons. Bryant? He checks in at a 37.6 PER, with an average of 44.5 points on 43 percent shooting, 4.3 rebounds and 4.3 a.ssists. Statistically, James outperformed Bryant on the defensive end as well, averaging 1.8 blocks and 2.1 steals. Kobe, on the other hand, has averaged 1.6 steals with no blocks in crunch time.

That's just an absurd level of production from both players, but James clearly has the upper hand. (And career-wise, James has the edge as well).

The team context

So the question then becomes: Is James selfishly piling up stats at the expense of his team's success?

It appears to be the opposite.

James' teams have outscored opponents by 126 points in his 228 minutes of clutch play, debunking the theory that James is merely a compiler of empty stats; his individual play has coincided with winning basketball. Bryant is another story. Even with far superior teammates than James' former Cavs crew, Bryant has posted a minus-13 plus-minus in his 224 minutes of clutch situations. That is to say, the Lakers have, quite shockingly, been a losing team with Bryant on the floor down the stretch over the past two seasons.

This is a critical point. Boiling down clutch performance to six last-second shots is an extremely narrow view of the game. The circumstance happens so rarely that it is virtually a trivial exercise in randomness. To put it in perspective, Bryant and James have played a combined 7,871 minutes over the past two regular seasons, and only 17 of those minutes were played when their respective teams needed a "big shot" (tied or trailing by no more than three points with the game clock at less than 24 seconds). That's 0.02 percent of the time.

These numbers reveal James' teams haven't needed last-second heroics because his monstrous late-game play pushes the close game out of reach, rendering a game-winning shot unnecessary. Houston Rockets general manager Daryl Morey once said, "Good teams don't win close games -- they avoid them." And the player who personifies that ethos is James.

The highlight reel conundrum

We can direct some of the blame to the construct of the highlight reel. As a game's CliffsNotes, highlight reels capture the awe-inspiring plays and dramatic game-changing events in snapshots. They give us the game-winning shot, but the rest gets tossed to the cutting-room floor. And the truth is, we don't get to see all the times a player fails in critical moments; we see only the ones when he succeeds.

Highlight reels, by design, help facilitate our inherent confirmation bias -- a fallacy of the human mind that causes us to remember what confirms our preconceived notions and throw out the contradictory evidence. Bryant holds the reputation as the game's most clutch player, and who are we to disagree when we see Bryant with a game winner seemingly every fifth day? No one has the time or the interest to watch all 96 of Bryant's missed field goal attempts in clutch situations since 2008-09. But those happened, and we need to account for them.

Also, there's a certain flair to Bryant's typical game winners that lends itself to immortality. We watch in anticipation as the ball leaves Bryant's fingertips on a contested perimeter jumper, which is the toughest shot in the game. But the degree of difficulty of the shot works both ways. When he hits the back-breaking shot, it is heroic. But when he misses, it is understandable. All of James' seven makes have come within 8 feet, while all nine of Bryant's makes have come outside 12 feet (he missed his only attempt inside 12 feet, a layup).

So as scorers, James and Bryant have different styles, and this certainly has a dramatic effect on how we remember them as clutch players. Bryant's outside game provides better theater, whereas James' bruising attack leads to comparatively sleepy trips to the free throw line. But they provide the same means to an end.

Ultimately, Bryant and James are two all-time legends, and it seems silly to boil their greatness to a few seconds of play. While the debate between LeBron James and Kobe Bryant will never die, the clutch badge has always rested on Bryant's sleeve. Now we're seeing that it isn't quite that simple.

If you want a game-winning shot, you might choose Bryant. But that happens no more than a handful of times per season.

If you want a player to carry the team down the stretch in the fourth quarter, we find that James, not Bryant, boasts the winning track record in the clutch.


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 6 years ago '10        #80
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When you win championships you can get away with ALOT of sh*t. Even r*pe. Once LeBron wins a ring people won't sweat the f*cking guy but until then they gonna be nagging him like a narcissistic mother.


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