I'm The Dan said:
Wouldn't the f!ght be a draw? If the 1st was a draw, Diaz got 2nd, Condit got 3 and 4, and Diaz got the 5th... That's a draw, right? Not 49-48 for Condit.
- As for Octagon Control: I don't see it as having control if you just run around the cage. To me, aggression and control are one in the same. If you are walking someone down, then you have control. If that's not true, then Stefan Struve could be the best f!ghter on the planet if he decided he was just going to circle and leg kick the whole time. The problem with this is, before this f!ght, it was generally looked down upon and the judges didn't score it for the person "on his bicycle"
- You had the f!ght 2-2 going into the 5th round? If so, how can you possibly give the round to Condit? It was relatively close throughout (mainly leaning towards Condit), but when Nick took Condit down with 1:30 left, and went for multiple submissions, that pushes Nick over the top in that round... right?
- I agree with the appearance of switching styles showing that the leg kicks may have hurt. I'm not saying they didn't hurt. Using a word like "effective" is relative; those kicks would probably cripple me, but Nick is trained to take them. My point is the judges should be able to tell the difference. If he's doing these leg kicks and Nick isn't limping or at least stop chasing Condit, then they're not being as effective as people are saying.
Also, the funny thing about what you said is during the second round Nick was taunting more than striking: This was the only round that Nick outstruck Condit with total strikes (leg kicks included).
- No doubt Nick is a tough dude. Condit is a tough guy as well. As I said before, I was a huge fan of Condit. I loved his style, but for this f!ght he changed it up COMPLETELY and turned into a pus*y. I'm not saying he should stand there and trade with Nick (he would most likely lose) but instead of leg kicking and retreating, throw a few combos then back up. He threw one effective combo during that whole f!ght. Condit is a much better f!ghter than he showed last night and it's shame because if he was as aggressive as he normally is, he might have still won and came out looking amazing. Instead, during his next f!ght he has to come out aggressive as he was before the Diaz f!ght, or he runs the risk of falling into the same level of a Fitch... someone who wins, but nobody wants to watch.
Neither had Octagon control. That's all I was saying. In my opinion you're misconstruing the entire meaning of control. I never said Condit had control... But you were presenting an argument that Diaz had control... And he didn't... The key word is CONTROL. He had control in the 5th round. I never said that throwing leg kicks and being elusive are controlling... I'm just saying that it showed that Diaz DIDN'T have control.
You also did not correctly comprehend what I wrote about the way I scored it. I never said that I had it 2-2 going into the 5th round. I said I had it 2-2 and one close round that could go either way. Reread it. My rationale was that it was a very close decision. Either way... It's not a robbery to me because it was so close. If Diaz would have gotten the decision it would have been Machida/Rampage all over again. The only real solution was a draw.
I feel like you're not giving Condit nearly enough credit. He didn't only have one combo. Sure he may have relied heavily on his leg kicks, but also mixed up some very nice sequences. And I'm sorry but when you're a judge and you see things like... Switching stance stance responding to an attack, visible frustration, a nicely executed gameplan (which lends to the idea that you're not being controlled) and a fair amount of damage... You'd be inclined to give the nod to that guy. You're not supposed to, but let's be honest... In a very close decision those things probably tip the scale in a close decision in a 10-point MUST system.
And I said I think it was the second, but it may not be. I haven't gotten the opportunity to rewatch. Bottom Line... Nick Diaz could have won this f!ght decisively, but he didn't He DID allow himself to get outpointed. He showed that he had the answer to Condit... In the second half of the last round. Too little too late.
I'm a fan of both f!ghters... In fact I was leaning a bit more heavily toward Diaz winning because I wanted to see the GSP/Diaz f!ght. So it's not like I watched the f!ght through Condit tinted lenses