Pele "When Messi's scored 1,283 goals like me, when he's won three World Cups, we'll talk about it,"

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 01-20-2012, 05:46 PM         #21
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 ShadyVsEminem said:
Football had not got big money in it back then and Europe might not of had the best leagues

^Back then World cups were good but now club football comes 1st for players because of money mainly, the last few world cups were sh*t
The last World Cup was highly competitive. Winning the World Cup is still the highest honor a football player can receive.

That's not to say Messi has to win one to be considered the greatest when his career his over. He's more of a facilitator for Argentina as he doesn't have to do that with Barcelona, as he plays with the dynamic Xaviesta duo. He's only 24 and he can truly transcend the sport even further for many more years to come.

A Messi-Sanchez-Neymar trio is scary to think of.
 01-20-2012, 05:52 PM         #22
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 ondatpurple said:
but thats basically what you're doing

disrespecting pele's legacy because of what YOU deem is inadequate competition in his day

bottom line is pele's career is the benchmark, the reference point, the measuring gauge of an elite football player who innovated and revolutionized the sport

and you calling messi "messiah" only shows your obviously biased. messi wouldnt be messi if the blueprint to be who he is wasnt already provided by pele

messi is a great player but dont get stupid
I'll still have to say Pele is considered the greatest at this point, due to his accolades.

Diego Maradona is the greatest football player I have ever seen play with my own two eyes. I've watched so many old matches of his and he was a brilliant player.

It's either Pele or Maradona at this point if we're discussing the best. That doesn't mean Pele still doesn't go out of his way to bad mouth Messi every chance he gets. This quote was less hateful than usual.
 6 years ago '09        #23
ShadyVsEminem 248 heat pts248 OP
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"yes playing against what today is high school competition"
Back then players would not of been as fit and fast thats the main difference, its like that in other sports aswell (athletics world record times would highlight the difference in athletes now and then most). In 40-50 years people will look back and say Messis opponents were sub par

Pele had incredible talent and if he was put through the same training regimes as the players now he would run rings around them particularly because in the 70`s fouls were far less common because the rules were less strict so defenders now would not be able to hack lumps out of him


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 6 years ago '09        #24
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world cup DOMINATED @ 17 - check
3 time world cup winner - check

vs

2 terrible FLOPS @ the world cup - check
disastrous copa americas - check
constant failure @ the international level - check

 6 years ago '09        #25
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 primetime said:
yes playing against what today is high school competition....i don't wanna knock him for that but it should be taken into account.


brazilian league in pele's prime >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
south americans didn't even go to europe back then (besides maradona), especially since they had the 2 foreigners rule

back then santos, vasco, sao paulo, internacional, flamengo (zico) etc etc >>>>>>>>>
 6 years ago '08        #26
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 5_star_smitty said:
world cup DOMINATED @ 17 - check
3 time world cup winner - check

vs

2 terrible FLOPS @ the world cup - check
disastrous copa americas - check
constant failure @ the international level - check

your hate for Messiah - check

you're telling me if you had to pick 1 player for your team you would take Pele over Messi?
 6 years ago '04        #27
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Truth is Messi failed to lead his team during world cups
hes the 4th quarter lebron james ,his life is easier when playing with the best players (barca/dream team ,sorta)
 6 years ago '09        #28
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 gimmethat said:
Truth is Messi failed to lead his team during world cups
hes the 4th quarter lebron james ,his life is easier when playing with the best players (barca/dream team ,sorta)
Lebron James are you kidding me? i get the feeling he is a complete bottler from the 643263263526 threads about him everyday, Messi has scored in and been man of the match in 2 champions league finals so dont compare.

Peles Brazil team were the best team ever if the Barcelona team now isnt so it was just as easy if not easier for Pele


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 6 years ago '08        #29
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I guess KAJ is goat because he scored the most points in the NBA....

Ronaldo & Maradona >>>> Pele

Prime Ronaldo is the greatest ever....
 6 years ago '08        #30
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Hell fu*king Zidane >> Pele
 6 years ago '12        #31
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 GodsFavorite said:
why do these old guys always have to sh*t on the young guys. so fu*kin lame. if i was pele id say its not for me to say whos better
Na ma n*gga this is just Argentina vs Brazil trash talk, they always hating in each other.
 6 years ago '04        #32
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Messi is great but

zidane > Messi
even the old Roger milla > Messi
 6 years ago '07        #33
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 BrookLynnStiles said:
World cups are overrated


 gimmethat said:
Messi is great but

zidane > Messi
even the old Roger milla > Messi
I agree with Zidane
 6 years ago '08        #34
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If Messie doesn't win even 1 world cup, he'll never be the GOAT.
 6 years ago '09        #35
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 Future said:
If Messie doesn't win even 1 world cup, he'll never be the GOAT.
Messi better hope they dont hire another clueless cokehead to manage them at the next one then
 6 years ago '05        #36
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Zidane and Maradona >> Pele
 6 years ago '08        #37
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 ShadyVsEminem said:
Messi better hope they dont hire another clueless cokehead to manage them at the next one then
You don't need a great coach to win....
 6 years ago '12        #38
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 Future said:
You don't need a great coach to win....
You dont know nothing about soccer.
 6 years ago '09        #39
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 Future said:
You don't need a great coach to win....
 ZlatanDrogba said:
You dont know nothing about soccer.
not that tottenham have won anything, but van der vaart said in an interview recently that redknapp doesn't even discuss tactics on a drawing board before games
 6 years ago '10        #40
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 ShadyVsEminem said:
Game set and match my bollocks, Messi is scoring 50 goals a season at the highest level and he isnt an out and out striker like Pele was. Messi has 33 goals and 16 a.ssists already this season, he wont score a 1000+ goals but his goals to games ratio will be really good

If its based solely on World cups there is no argument as its either Pele or one of his team mates that are the best ever because nobody else has won it that many times. They were both the star players in the 2 greatest teams ever, its very hard to compare players from such different eras football is a lot different now
messi has constantly been surrounded with a plethora of talent when he plays for argentina, his success for barcelona is based on the league rewarding the play of creativity which oozes from messi and the brillance of some of his teammates especially iniesta. Messi has played with many of his barcelona teammates since he was young, natural cohesiveness develops but being the brilliant player he is, it DEFv should translate better on the world cup stage. Pele >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>messi in any fukking era
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