Is LeBron Jame$ Better Without D-Wade? (poll)

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Is LeBron Jame$ Better Without D-Wade?
Yes 142 65.74%
No 74 34.26%
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 6 years ago '07        #61
joshdogg26 193 heat pts193
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 marcusaka50 said:
wade was drafted to the better team and when lebron went to finals against the spurs the heat roster was better than the cavs roster. I think wade was injured that year tho. Wade couldnt have a back to back season with the best record with that cavs roster lebron had.
stephane lasme, kasib powell, blake ahearn, alexander johnson. have u heard of these guys? because most of them started games for us the year we missed the playoffs . the cavs were tailor made to be a hand-in-glove fit for lebron's talents and wishes, they will never get their just due, just like iverson's 6ers.

aside from that, ur just giving me ur opinion, which i don't care much for.

the fact is that lebron has missed the playoffs twice and wade has missed them once when he wasn't even playing, so the only basis for ur earlier statement is that u like lebron more. wade has unequivocally had teams far less talented that were not even intended to compete. lebron has never been part of a rebuilding project at any point since being drafted.
 6 years ago '05        #62
ReppinDaBurghh 55 heat pts55
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 joshdogg26 said:

the fact is that lebron has missed the playoffs twice and wade has missed them once when he wasn't even playing, so the only basis for ur earlier statement is that u like lebron more. wade has unequivocally had teams far less talented that were not even intended to compete. lebron has never been part of a rebuilding project at any point since being drafted.
That's because you can build around Lebron and Lebron only and there is never a need to rebuild if he's on your team.

I guess you're saying the same can't be said about Wade.









































Just trolling.

 6 years ago '10        #63
cjiscash 7 heat pts
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 marcusaka50 said:
wade was drafted to the better team and when lebron went to finals against the spurs the heat roster was better than the cavs roster. I think wade was injured that year tho. Wade couldnt have a back to back season with the best record with that cavs roster lebron had.
Those Cav teams were also built perfectly around LeBron's game tho. Solid defenders and good shooters everywhere. I think if D-Wade had the opportunity to have a team built around his game, he would have been just as succesful
 6 years ago '07        #64
JWilliams 21 heat pts21
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there is no Heat without Wade
 6 years ago '07        #65
joshdogg26 193 heat pts193
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 Reppindaburghh said:
That's because you can build around Lebron and Lebron only and there is never a need to rebuild if he's on your team.

I guess you're saying the same can't be said about Wade.







Just trolling.

can u build around lebron only though?













































































 6 years ago '07        #66
Cambury 39 heat pts39
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 marcusaka50 said:
wade has never had a team with less talent than lebron has had most of his career.
having a team with talent is overrated. Lebrons abilities are so dominant in this age all u needed was consistent players to fill a role and just have him shoulder the load in a bunch of other things. With lebrons strength speed and jumping ability its is ridiculous that the 3rd step is standard for him, no way you can defend that sh*t. Why not use that to your advantage and just get players that do sh*t like rebound and knock down jumpers. So over the course of 82 games you dont really need talent just consistency but the lack of talent shows itself the farther you get in the playoffs.
 6 years ago '06        #67
marcusaka50 58 heat pts58
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 cjiscash said:
Those Cav teams were also built perfectly around LeBron's game tho. Solid defenders and good shooters everywhere. I think if D-Wade had the opportunity to have a team built around his game, he would have been just as succesful
yea built to beat the spurs and boston. which had multi-stars on those teams. you right they built that team to perfectly lose. while every championship that was won in the last decade was with 2 stars or more. Besides the piston who were fill with veteran players. Wade had Shaq and veteran players won 1 ring. If it wasnt for Shaq Wade would be in the same boat as Lebron because of the 1 ring people put Wade over Lebron. They holding on to something that happen once years ago. The heat drafted Beasley which didnt work so their gamble their lost.
 6 years ago '10        #68
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 joshdogg26 said:
ur talking about 2007-2008, in which wade was shut down due to injury and we didn't make the playoffs.

2008-2009, in which we made the playoffs and lost the the higher seeded hawks in 7 games

and 2009-2010, in which we made the playoffs and lost to the higher seeded celtics (and so did lebron's cavs)

none of the players on that team other than wade, haslem, and beasley were anything more than rotating expiring contracts. it was not built to compete at all, it was just the minimum requirements to field a team and any competitiveness was a bonus.

explain to me how we could have done anything more than possibly beat the hawks. we had no serious championship aspirations in any of those seasons.
Jdogg telling it like it is man



But Yall gotta stop this sh*t.. Bron without Wade would be just like Lebron in Cleveland ... Leading the East in Wins but losing in the playoffs ... Lebron came to Miami To Win A CHAMPIONSHIP with a player he knows can get it done in Dwyane Wade .... Countless times Lebron go beast mode but in the big stage when its all on the line he come up short, he needs help so cut it out, They need each other to win... having big stats individually doesn't equal a Championship... ima say it again Lebron without Wade is Cleveland all over again




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 6 years ago '10        #69
cjiscash 7 heat pts
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 joshdogg26 said:
stephane lasme, kasib powell, blake ahearn, alexander johnson. have u heard of these guys? because most of them started games for us the year we missed the playoffs . the cavs were tailor made to be a hand-in-glove fit for lebron's talents and wishes, they will never get their just due, just like iverson's 6ers.

aside from that, ur just giving me ur opinion, which i don't care much for.

the fact is that lebron has missed the playoffs twice and wade has missed them once when he wasn't even playing, so the only basis for ur earlier statement is that u like lebron more. wade has unequivocally had teams far less talented that were not even intended to compete. lebron has never been part of a rebuilding project at any point since being drafted.
 6 years ago '07        #70
Cambury 39 heat pts39
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when you can't frontrun anymore you see how talented lebron really is...we all have seen it, the night walked all over The Palae he missed two freethrows that culda iced the game shiiiiit they year before he missed those freethrows when they shulda beat the pistons in game 6 forcing.a game 7.
 6 years ago '06        #71
marcusaka50 58 heat pts58
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 Cambury said:
having a team with talent is overrated. Lebrons abilities are so dominant in this age all u needed was consistent players to fill a role and just have him shoulder the load in a bunch of other things. With lebrons strength speed and jumping ability its is ridiculous that the 3rd step is standard for him, no way you can defend that sh*t. Why not use that to your advantage and just get players that do sh*t like rebound and knock down jumpers. So over the course of 82 games you dont really need talent just consistency but the lack of talent shows itself the farther you get in the playoffs.
Lebron can't shoot and if he consistently posted up I would agree with you. Its all on him maybe this is all he is and people want him to be something he isn't. And what a really meant was a better team not talent.
 6 years ago '05        #72
Hold That 103 heat pts103
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LeBron stans vs. Heat Fans.


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 6 years ago '10        #73
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 joshdogg26 said:
stephane lasme, kasib powell, blake ahearn, alexander johnson. have u heard of these guys? because most of them started games for us the year we missed the playoffs . the cavs were tailor made to be a hand-in-glove fit for lebron's talents and wishes, they will never get their just due, just like iverson's 6ers.

aside from that, ur just giving me ur opinion, which i don't care much for.

the fact is that lebron has missed the playoffs twice and wade has missed them once when he wasn't even playing, so the only basis for ur earlier statement is that u like lebron more. wade has unequivocally had teams far less talented that were not even intended to compete. lebron has never been part of a rebuilding project at any point since being drafted.
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 6 years ago '07        #74
Cambury 39 heat pts39
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the funny thing is if u take lebron off the heat and inset Gay, Durant, Melo or Granger that Heat team is just as good. Maybe not dominant on defense but with Durant and Gay definitely woulda won a championship. In that series Lebron wasn't a factor, what "star" player gets a pass for having no impact. If you remove Wade from Heat only player you can replace him with is Kobe and that wouldn't work becuz he ain't goofy like them boys
 6 years ago '06        #75
marcusaka50 58 heat pts58
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 Cambury said:
the funny thing is if u take lebron off the heat and inset Gay, Durant, Melo or Granger that Heat team is just as good. Maybe not dominant on defense but with Durant and Gay definitely woulda won a championship. In that series Lebron wasn't a factor, what "star" player gets a pass for having no impact. If you remove Wade from Heat only player you can replace him with is Kobe and that wouldn't work becuz he ain't goofy like them boys
True because they are shooters and Wade/Lebron arent great shooters. They are both front runners. If took Wade off heat and put on Kobe on there its a championship.
 6 years ago '07        #76
Cambury 39 heat pts39
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 marcusaka50 said:
Lebron can't shoot and if he consistently posted up I would agree with you. Its all on him maybe this is all he is and people want him to be something he isn't. And what a really meant was a better team not talent.
it won't be a better team with Lebron becuz he gets exposed in the playoffs. spurs exposed he couldn't shoot so Lebron asked for shooters, Magic exposed lebron for running the offense horribly and they got him a "spread 4" who can sit behind the arc to give him more space, then they lost to the Celtics and he actually goes on tv and says basically his elbow bothered and look at his stats he didnt have enough help. We fast forward to the championship series when they play a veteran high IQ team everything we saw before happened right before our eyes. When the other team is locked in and as talented lebron cannot get his team over the hump he doesn't have it in him.
 6 years ago '07        #77
Cambury 39 heat pts39
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 marcusaka50 said:
True because they are shooters and Wade/Lebron arent great shooters. They are both front runners. If took Wade off heat and put on Kobe on there its a championship.
this is true, I used to be a lebron fan so it's not like I dont like his game. I just believe he poses and this dude who really is the best and he jus dont ever have enough help. He had no excuses for what happened in Dallas so then he goes off and starts to talk about how he has all this money and goes on vacations. That is how he always felt, he never believed he didnt have enough help in Cleveland he just never wants to admit he ain't got it in him. If mike or Kobe made it to the finals and came up short they wouldn't be crying about help becuz reality is they had enuff to get there.
 6 years ago '04        #78
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 6 years ago '06        #79
marcusaka50 58 heat pts58
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 joshdogg26 said:
stephane lasme, kasib powell, blake ahearn, alexander johnson. have u heard of these guys? because most of them started games for us the year we missed the playoffs . the cavs were tailor made to be a hand-in-glove fit for lebron's talents and wishes, they will never get their just due, just like iverson's 6ers.

aside from that, ur just giving me ur opinion, which i don't care much for.

the fact is that lebron has missed the playoffs twice and wade has missed them once when he wasn't even playing, so the only basis for ur earlier statement is that u like lebron more. wade has unequivocally had teams far less talented that were not even intended to compete. lebron has never been part of a rebuilding project at any point since being drafted.
you giving me your opinion as well. Lebron has never been in a rebuilding stage because he hasn't won sh*t too rebuild or even come close. They was building a team almost half of his career there. Then they got to finals and got swept with a even more garbage a.ss roster than than the one they had 09/10 season. You bring up iverson like iverson had something to do with the 76ers catering to his style. That's the owners/GM's fault. Iverson doesnt own the team fu*k him its a team sport.
 6 years ago '06        #80
marcusaka50 58 heat pts58
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 Cambury said:
this is true, I used to be a lebron fan so it's not like I dont like his game. I just believe he poses and this dude who really is the best and he jus dont ever have enough help. He had no excuses for what happened in Dallas so then he goes off and starts to talk about how he has all this money and goes on vacations. That is how he always felt, he never believed he didnt have enough help in Cleveland he just never wants to admit he ain't got it in him. If mike or Kobe made it to the finals and came up short they wouldn't be crying about help becuz reality is they had enuff to get there.
He is a bi*ch and there is no excuses for him in the finals. He has proven to me that he is a PG/SF more than SG/SF and he doesnt want to take the last shot or the last few shots in the 4th. I think its because he isnt a great shooter because if you arent a great shooter you might not be as confident taking shots under pressure. Like I said if he makes a few shots and starts on roll like boston/chicago series he builds his confident up to take the last shots. I beat money Lebron has never been a great shooter and has always passed up the last shots. Maybe this is just who he is. A player who can get you very far but isnt the go to guy in the 4th.
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