The Lions' Matthew Stafford is in position to lap the Jets' Mark Sanchez in the race to elite status

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 6 years ago '04        #161
finishim 80 heat pts80
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 dtownboy313 said:
he matthew elite as of now no. does he have the potential absolutely. as long as he remains healthy and we continue to surround him with talent. he needs a better o-line. a real running game. one full year starting look at his numbers. they speak for themselves. it just makes me wonder how we wouldve did with him under center all those games he missed. probably wouldve had better records.
he doesn't even need a better running game, they're fine the way they are and even the playmakers are there, one great wr, 2 2nd tier tight ends, good pass catching rbs
 6 years ago '04        #162
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 finishim said:
he doesn't even need a better running game, they're fine the way they are and even the playmakers are there, one great wr, 2 2nd tier tight ends, good pass catching rbs
He will have a much improved running game next season with Best, Smith, LeShoure. But I feel you this is and will be a passing team as long as we have Staff and those weapons on the outside.

We about to beat the Saints tomorrow then the talk will be a little bit different I hope.
 6 years ago '05        #163
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 Veno da Don said:
He will have a much improved running game next season with Best, Smith, LeShoure. But I feel you this is and will be a passing team as long as we have Staff and those weapons on the outside.

We about to beat the Saints tomorrow then the talk will be a little bit different I hope.
 6 years ago '12        #164
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 6 years ago '04        #165
Veno da Don 23 heat pts23
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 6 years ago '07        #166
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 Veno da Don said:
you can that case.

But but but at 23 Matt is leaps and bounds ahead of any mentioned QB, and that's a fact. So really if you put Stafford on the Saints or Packers they would still be in damn good shape.

The man make ALL the throws that any "elite" QB has ever made.
A lot of QBs can make the throws. Elite means consistently being a great player. Let Stafford get some years under his belt and hopefully some individual awards.
 6 years ago '04        #167
biscuit 73 heat pts73
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Best thread made in a while. 9 pages of fans trying to determine if a QB who hasn't won a damn thing is elite or not.

To top it off, Mark Sanchez is mentioned in the elite argument as well.

I'd say BX's sports intelligence has hit an all time low but this is a thread for Lions fans so its understood.
 6 years ago '04        #168
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 biscuit said:
Best thread made in a while. 9 pages of fans trying to determine if a QB who hasn't won a damn thing is elite or not.
so what makes a qb elite? stat records? playoff wins? i know its not superbowl wins cause if that were true dan marino wouldnt make the cut along side a hand full of other qb's that never really won sh*t
 6 years ago '04        #169
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 Veno da Don said:
Marino- Mark Clayton, Mark Duper, Best offensive line in football

Elway(never threw for 30td one 4,000 yard season)- 2 Thousand Yard rusher Terrell Davis(SB MVP), HOF Shannon Sharpe

Farve-Sterling Sharpe, Donald Driver, Antonio Freeman

why would not having an elite WR be criteria for being an elite QB I ask though? Just trying to fit the argument to suit your case.
Glad you beat me to it, and if anything you could possibly say that stafford's start to his career is more impressive than any of those QBs, considering he only has ONE top 40 receiver on his team (granted he's an absolute freak of nature). Think about that for a second. Teams double and triple team the absolute fu*k out of CJ (which explains why his numbers dropped so drastically between weeks 9-14), but Stafford stilll put up gaudy stats during that tiime and win 2/4 games, and found a way to find him when it mattered most (playoffs on the line), and he found a way to find CJ again when the playoffs were on the line and reach 5k yards,

 biscuit said:
Best thread made in a while. 9 pages of fans trying to determine if a QB who hasn't won a damn thing is elite or not.

To top it off, Mark Sanchez is mentioned in the elite argument as well.

I'd say BX's sports intelligence has hit an all time low but this is a thread for Lions fans so its understood.
i apologize biscuit, i forgot that this is not a discussion forum.
I'd roast you for being an illiterate bastard, not reading the article, and simply a.ssuming that it somewhere mentioned Sanchez or Stafford already having reached elite status, but I've already pointed it out twice now.

 6 years ago '04        #170
biscuit 73 heat pts73
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 dtown1759 said:
Glad you beat me to it, and if anything you could possibly say that stafford's start to his career is more impressive than any of those QBs, considering he only has ONE top 40 receiver on his team (granted he's an absolute freak of nature). Think about that for a second. Teams double and triple team the absolute fu*k out of CJ (which explains why his numbers dropped so drastically between weeks 9-14), but Stafford stilll put up gaudy stats during that tiime and win 2/4 games, and found a way to find him when it mattered most (playoffs on the line), and he found a way to find CJ again when the playoffs were on the line and reach 5k yards,


i apologize biscuit, i forgot that this is not a discussion forum.
I'd roast you for being an illiterate bastard, not reading the article, and simply a.ssuming that it somewhere mentioned Sanchez or Stafford already having reached elite status, but I've already pointed it out twice now.

n*gga, I ain't gotta read your article to comment on this thread

Other dudes in here are actually posting the possibility of the thread title being real so I'm here to crush dreams and talk sh*t.

Don't act like you don't want people to think he's elite either brah. You and your squad are fiendin' for respect. It's makin ya'll look thirsty as hell...

What goes around comes around my nig. Same sh*t you all have been doing all season comin' back at cha.
 6 years ago '04        #171
torious 69 heat pts69 OP
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 biscuit said:
Other dudes in here are actually posting the possibility of the thread title being real so I'm here to crush dreams and talk sh*t.


Thread title:NFL The Lions' Matthew Stafford is in position to lap the Jets' Mark Sanchez in the race to elite status

 biscuit said:

Don't act like you don't want people to think he's elite either brah. You and your squad are fiendin' for respect. It's makin ya'll look thirsty as hell...
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 dtown1759 said:
I happen to agree that Stafford needs to win a playoff game before he is crowned a truly elite NFL quarterback and it's unfortunate that his first chance at doing so is against the hottest team in the NFL in their stadium, but we'll see what happens, and there is no doubt that he is well on his way
Again son, reading comprehension, read a book about it-- Oh wait
 6 years ago '07        #172
TH35 105 heat pts105
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Stafford doesn't even have to win too many playoff games to be elite. Just consistently have good seasons.
 6 years ago '04        #173
biscuit 73 heat pts73
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 dtown1759 said:


Thread title:NFL The Lions' Matthew Stafford is in position to lap the Jets' Mark Sanchez in the race to elite status





Again son, reading comprehension, read a book about it-- Oh wait
Seems as though you're a tad upset my friend about people not paying attention and reading your posted article...


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 6 years ago '04        #174
torious 69 heat pts69 OP
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 biscuit said:
Seems as though you're a tad upset my friend about people not paying attention and reading your posted article...


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LMAO I ain't mad about sh*t, last time I checked we have a game to play this weekend, you the salty a.ss n*gga comin in this thread to troll the fu*k out of it.. But I guess I can understand why you that way, because it''s not like there's any sort of future future for the Bears that you can make a thread about



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 6 years ago '04        #175
biscuit 73 heat pts73
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But for real though dtown, you want to sit here and try and talk sh*t about me not reading the article and dissing Stafford for not being elite but you say nothing about the idiots in here who actually think so and have been discussing reasons why he is when you admit that he isn't...
 6 years ago '04        #176
biscuit 73 heat pts73
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 dtown1759 said:
LMAO I ain't mad about sh*t, last time I checked we have a game to play this weekend, you the salty a.ss n*gga comin in this thread to troll the fu*k out of it.. But I guess I can understand why you that way, because it''s not like there's any sort of future future for the Bears that you can make a thread about



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You play this weekend? Do you? By the way everyone else with any football sense talks about it you bout to get fu*ked up again by the Saints. You actually have a game this weekend and aren't headed to New Orleans for a slaughter of your team? Hmmmm...
 6 years ago '04        #177
torious 69 heat pts69 OP
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 biscuit said:
You play this weekend? Do you? By the way everyone else with any football sense talks about it you bout to get fu*ked up again by the Saints. You actually have a game this weekend and aren't headed to New Orleans for a slaughter of your team? Hmmmm...
hahahaha this sh*t is gettng really funny. You yourself were the one giving props to stafford after week 12 for his gutty performance. The Lions fared 2X better vs the Saints than the Giants the week before, the falcons the week after, and even better than the Bears (COMPLETELY HEALTHY) did when you had them on your HOME FIELD, despite missing Suh, our entire defensive secondary, and 25 boneheaded penalties that fu*ked us out of having any chance at a win. But go ahead, please... sh*t on your keyboard with some more of your story-changing hypocrisy.


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 6 years ago '04        #178
dtownboy313 
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 finishim said:
he doesn't even need a better running game, they're fine the way they are and even the playmakers are there, one great wr, 2 2nd tier tight ends, good pass catching rbs
that running game would take pressure off him doe. i just believe at some point during a game you have to be able to line up and punch a team in the mouth running the ball. its about attitude. would also open up playaction opportunities. teams wouldn't be able to just line up a tee off on him knowing he's throwing 45 times. just would add that balance
 6 years ago '04        #179
biscuit 73 heat pts73
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 dtown1759 said:
hahahaha this sh*t is gettng really funny. You yourself were the one giving props to stafford after week 12 for his gutty performance. The Lions fared 2X better vs the Saints than the Giants the week before, the falcons the week after, and even better than the Bears (COMPLETELY HEALTHY) did when you had them on your HOME FIELD, despite missing Suh, our entire defensive secondary, and 25 boneheaded penalties that fu*ked us out of having any chance at a win. But go ahead, please... sh*t on your keyboard with some more of your story-changing hypocrisy.
I actually gave him his props in this thread. I want to know why U so mad about me telling people not to call him elite when it seems like you don't mind if they run with that idea? Talk about hypocrasy.
 6 years ago '04        #180
torious 69 heat pts69 OP
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What happened to the post-caleb-hanie-era-induced traumatic suicideally depressed biscuit who vanished then reappeared and vowed "not to talk any more sh*t??"

Short term memory's a bi*ch huh. Hate to break it to ya but Angelo's firing didn't sove all your problems.... And it's just a matter of time before the karma cycle repeats itself again


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