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 6 years ago '04        #81
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 BlackandGifted said:
This...

True there aren't very many black qbs, but Blacks dominate the landscape in 2 of the major 4 sports in America. I don't agree with Cam's comments, but I am not surprised by them either. But I think it is important that we pay homage to

that...

...you quoted was stupid. blacks "dominating" the visible landscape is only a poor elementary surface analysis of american sports. the quarterback position is held in high regard in american sports because its historical attribution to the american ideal of whiteness. why you think they didnt let us play that position for years dude? why do you think black players ( particularly QBs) then and now get death threats from white middle america fans? and in general sports represent the values of societies. why do you think football and all of its violence and military like tactics are popular in a country defined by worldwide warfare? basketball is not seen in the larger landscape as a sport that requires intelligence on a higher level (which i kinda disagree with) and that sport has been conceded to blacks, even so much so that its even been used by some as a black stereotype. it fits the racial narrative that has characterized american sports for decades. football still uses the white stand still QB as an ideal and that is super imposed on all qbs and blacks ones who generally have a different skill sets than most traditional white qbs. in addition, most of the coaching and coordinating jobs go to whites as well, which furthers the narrative that whites have to do the thinking for more superiorly gifted black athletes. there are some concessions in that, and there always have been to some extent, but the general picture is still there.
 12-30-2011, 12:47 AM         #82
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 jplaydadon said:
my gosh you are stupid. he meant the quarterback position in the NFL you dumbass. which the nfl has HISTORICALLY held on to for white players because its a.ssociations with intelligence and leadership, which are traits the average NFL consumer and ticket holder, which are white mid american, and middle to upper class males, hold dear. have you not heard of the racism blacks have encountered playing the position? or the insinuations that blacks are not intelligent enough to play the position in the media or blatantly by fans? you cant be serious. and is making the point that several white qbs have a longer leash than black qbs with no merit. as*hole david carr got TWO big contracts with the texans, and never won sh*t. even got several more jobs as a backup after that. there are plenty of whites that get opportunities that blacks dont get. thats the point he was making and hes completely right. the fu*k are you talking about. and how are we being biggots?
It's 2011 not 1950. Stop crying racism every time something doesn't go in favor of a black player. It makes you guys look weak as fu*k that you MUST cry about everything.

They make A sh*t TON OF MONEY to play a GAME. They DOMINATE the sport. Is it white people's fault that some black QBS DON'T SUCCEED IN THE NFL? They have gotten chances as well - Aaron Brooks (long tenured starter), Jason Campbell (starter this yr till injury), Troy Smith (failed starter last yr), Michael Vick (starter), Charlie Batch (was a starter), David Garrard (was a starter), T-Jack (starter), McNabb (long tenured starter), Jamarcus Russell (who got a HUGE LEASH), Seneca Wallace (starter/back up), Anthony Wright, Quincy Carter (starter back in the day), Cleo Lemon (starter), Pat White (bum)....

Cam Newton was the number one fu*king pick last year and is balling out and its still not good enough somehow. But how is it white people's fault that they don't do well? Stop it man

Cam is playing great and yet he is throwing other BLACK QBs under the bus but somehow it goes back to white people

Bigot - A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs.
 6 years ago '08        #83
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 slimyellow said:
off topic --- but why n*ggas bitin cam superman sh*t.

im watchin this bowl game and some DB from texas just did it.
Cam's got swag, this is good.
 12-30-2011, 12:49 AM         #84
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 jplaydadon said:
in addition, most of the coaching and coordinating jobs go to whites as well, which furthers the narrative that whites have to do the thinking for more superiorly gifted black athletes. there are some concessions in that, and there always have been to some extent, but the general picture is still there.
you realize there are 10 black HEAD COACHES in the NFL right? Will you only be happy when EVERY POSITION is filled by a black person? Jesus Christ.

I'm out
 6 years ago '04        #85
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 htown said:
real sh*t...that's what I tell my folks, they want to keep the last "great" bastion of American sports white...just look at how many chances these woods get...Culpepper has to beg to just be a 4th string qb, but d!ckmouths like Kyle Boller will be in the league for at least ten years total when it's all said and down
you know the 49ers gave culpepper a shot before the season right? if you can't beat out josh mcown to be 3rd string then you are probably done.

dude had more picks than tds in the ufl
 6 years ago '04        #86
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 Cheeze said:
It's 2011 not 1950. Stop crying racism every time something doesn't go in favor of a black player. It makes you guys look weak as fu*k that you MUST cry about everything.

They make A sh*t TON OF MONEY to play a GAME. They DOMINATE the sport. Is it white people's fault that some black QBS DON'T SUCCEED IN THE NFL? They have gotten chances as well - Aaron Brooks (long tenured starter), Jason Campbell (starter this yr till injury), Troy Smith (failed starter last yr), Michael Vick (starter), Charlie Batch (was a starter), David Garrard (was a starter), T-Jack (starter), McNabb (long tenured starter), Jamarcus Russell (who got a HUGE LEASH), Seneca Wallace (starter/back up), Anthony Wright, Quincy Carter (starter back in the day), Cleo Lemon (starter), Pat White (bum)....

Cam Newton was the number one fu*king pick last year and is balling out and its still not good enough somehow. But how is it white people's fault that they don't do well? Stop it man

Cam is playing great and yet he is throwing other BLACK QBs under the bus but somehow it goes back to white people

Bigot - A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs.
i could go on all days about how dumb this post is. yes it goes back to white people. you know why? because CAM NEWTON has bought into the white stereotype, that black players (and in more imporant matters, black people) dont work hard with equal opportunity and makes the statement that he is where is because hes worked hard and they didnt. he is indirectly saying that white players get their opportunities because they work harder than we do, and that sh*t is false. thats where "white ppl" and the media which is controlled by "white people" and marketed primarily to "white people" who are the primary ticket holders to nfl games come into play. many of these fans hold on to the image of the white QB because of what it represents to them and their race. and to be honest, blacks dont dominate the sport. when the teams are owned by whites, discipline is being handed down by a white commissioner, and the images of these players are being painted by a white media, and being funded by white businesses and primarily white fans, they dont dominate sh*t. manily because the fans and media pay fro what they wanna see outta these guys, which is why they are forced to be politically correct and neutral, not stand for anything of social value but consumerism, unless its in line with what white america wants (check what happened to rashard mendenhall). and the blacks you mentioned didnt have all fair opportunities, thats a lie, and they faced much more scrutiny than did a TON of white QBs. if you compare the numbers of blacks who got a chance to the number on incompetent whites, there would be no real comparison. and no f!ghting for fairness and teaching other brothers not to sh*t on each other in the face of blatant bias, especially when they are wrong and have the players they speak of all wrong, is not being weak. its teaching people to be unified, as people have been against us for years. it also awakens people like cam to the history of the game and realizing that people old and relatively new, paved the way for him to be where he is. vince young proved that you didnt need to have a pro style offense in college to make it in the league. he helped by beating usc in rose bowl, give ppl like newton an opportunity at the next level. they werent the first blacks in college to have success in college and into the pros. there were many who were good but didnt have his chance before him. he needs to learn some perspective and respect.


man you are stupid as fu*k. are you in high school or something?


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 6 years ago '04        #87
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 Cheeze said:
you realize there are 10 black HEAD COACHES in the NFL right? Will you only be happy when EVERY POSITION is filled by a black person? Jesus Christ.

I'm out
stay out, because you are fu*kin retarded. and how long did it take for that sh*t to happen huh? in a league thats "dominated by blacks? if im correct there are 32 teams, which still puts our coaches in the 33-34 percent range which is below the number of blacks who play. not to mention all of the other coordinator jobs out there which also are dominated by whites. thats not even a good point. so like i said, the narrative still stands.
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 jplaydadon said:
stay out, because you are fu*kin retarded. and how long did it take for that sh*t to happen huh? in a league thats "dominated by blacks? if im correct there are 32 teams, which still puts our coaches in the 33-34 percent range which is below the number of blacks who play. not to mention all of the other coordinator jobs out there which also are dominated by whites. thats not even a good point. so like i said, the narrative still stands.

so you would be happier with 5 more black head coaches?
 6 years ago '05        #89
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 12-30-2011, 01:25 AM         #90
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 Joehook said:
nah bruh, thats just your stupid mentality, which is gonna hold u back in life..

Rascist keep racism alive...grow up bi*ch boy
no hes 100% right but its weak minded blacks trying to accept the status quo that hold themselves back


whites dont fu*k with blacks deep down, be to be fair blacks dont really fu*k with them either but it is what it is...

the ugly truth is, racism is human nature....its animal nature, humans tend to disassociate with people that dont look similar as them. really no different from the wild, when animals attack those unfamiliar with themselves. we are animals at our core

I hate black people that denie racism to get a pat on the back from white folks, lol its pathetic. black guilt is just as bad as white guilt

read any online comment section about cam, its always "thug" "n1gger" "monkey"...lol yeah im sure vince and russell had alot to do with that

people hate cam because

1 hes black and rich

2 he stole that laptop

3 him and his greedy as father had that controversy, he beat the charge and won the hesiman/ship

thats why people look down on him, half of it is his own fault. so leave vince and jamarcus out of it
 6 years ago '04        #91
jplaydadon 9 heat pts
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 justinjones said:

so you would be happier with 5 more black head coaches?
based on some of the sh*t i see from these coordinators, bringing in more diversity and creativity couldnt help but make the game better an more fun to watch. im sure there are black guys out there just as good or better as some of these other coaches and coordinators. they just need a shot. what yall fail to realize is that the nfl has worked on a buddy system at the top for a LONG time. which is why coaches are constantly recycled, and sons and brothers get jobs, keeping people out of the loop, esp blacks, generally out. so a more fair process, which im sure would let more blacks in would be better. so the answer to that question is yes.
 6 years ago '04        #92
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 DrX said:
no hes 100% right but its weak minded blacks trying to accept the status quo that hold themselves back


whites dont fu*k with blacks deep down, be to be fair blacks dont really fu*k with them either but it is what it is...

the ugly truth is, racism is human nature....its animal nature, humans tend to disassociate with people that dont look similar as them. really no different from the wild, when animals attack those unfamiliar with themselves. we are animals at our core

I hate black people that denie racism to get a pat on the back from white folks, lol its pathetic. black guilt is just as bad as white guilt

read any online comment section about cam, its always "thug" "n1gger" "monkey"...lol yeah im sure vince and russell had alot to do with that

people hate cam because

1 hes black and rich

2 he stole that laptop

3 him and his greedy as father had that controversy, he beat the charge and won the hesiman/ship

thats why people look down on him, half of it is his own fault. so leave vince and jamarcus out of it
how can racism be human nature if the term and the concept didnt exist until 500 years ago? and prejudice and racism, are two totally different things and have totally different manifestations
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 jplaydadon said:
based on some of the sh*t i see from these coordinators, bringing in more diversity and creativity couldnt help but make the game better an more fun to watch. im sure there are black guys out there just as good or better as some of these other coaches and coordinators. they just need a shot. what yall fail to realize is that the nfl has worked on a buddy system at the top for a LONG time. which is why coaches are constantly recycled, and sons and brothers get jobs, keeping people out of the loop, esp blacks, generally out. so a more fair process, which im sure would let more blacks in would be better. so the answer to that question is yes.
all sports work on the buddy system. they already got a rule saying you have to interview a black coach. its not much more the league can do unless you want them to act like its reparations and just have half the league hire black coaches just cause. i don't know how more of a fair process you can have.

im not sure if it would necessarily make it more fun either because what black coach in the league right now is doing anything out the norm? it might be more entertaining to hear tomlin and morris talk but as far as the game goes they are not doing anything innovative
 6 years ago '04        #94
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 justinjones said:
all sports work on the buddy system. they already got a rule saying you have to interview a black coach. its not much more the league can do unless you want them to act like its reparations and just have half the league hire black coaches just cause. i don't know how more of a fair process you can have.

im not sure if it would necessarily make it more fun either because what black coach in the league right now is doing anything out the norm? it might be more entertaining to hear tomlin and morris talk but as far as the game goes they are not doing anything innovative
and all major sports are run by whites too. and in a sport where blacks are used to bring in billions, as well as provide images and promote societal values and give children aspirations, it does mean something for blacks who are qualified to have positions other than WR, RB, CB, LB, so that black kids and anyone else can have a legit chance to coach. it works that way for white kids, and anyone else. and how can you say the league is fair and you acknowledge it runs by a buddy system? thats a contradiction already dude. thats the point. the jobs are recycled primarily amongst white coaches when there are guys in the collegiate ranks, former players, etc who can man those jobs. nobody is talkin reparations, im talking about a fair shot. damn...
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lemme say this though, forgive all condescending remarks because i get heated about this type sh*t, and we are having a good discussion.
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 jplaydadon said:
and all major sports are run by whites too. and in a sport where blacks are used to bring in billions, as well as provide images and promote societal values and give children aspirations, it does mean something for blacks who are qualified to have positions other than WR, RB, CB, LB, so that black kids and anyone else can have a legit chance to coach. it works that way for white kids, and anyone else. and how can you say the league is fair and you acknowledge it runs by a buddy system? thats a contradiction already dude. thats the point. the jobs are recycled primarily amongst white coaches when there are guys in the collegiate ranks, former players, etc who can man those jobs. nobody is talkin reparations, im talking about a fair shot. damn...
nba,nfl,nhl,mlb use the same coaches over and over. that's in every sport. if blacks ran a sport it would be the same way too. caldwell got his job with the colts because of dungy. what i am saying is that you can't make it more fair than it already is. they have to interview a black coach regardless of them having another coach in mind or not. if they interview well maybe they'll get the job or have another team look at them. at least they will be in somebody's radar. do you have a solution to make them have a fair shot at it in the nfl because right now i don't
 6 years ago '04        #97
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 justinjones said:
nba,nfl,nhl,mlb use the same coaches over and over. that's in every sport. if blacks ran a sport it would be the same way too. caldwell got his job with the colts because of dungy. what i am saying is that you can't make it more fair than it already is. they have to interview a black coach regardless of them having another coach in mind or not. if they interview well maybe they'll get the job or have another team look at them. at least they will be in somebody's radar. do you have a solution to make them have a fair shot at it in the nfl because right now i don't
how do you know if blacks ran a sport that we would do the same thing lol? have blacks been by and large instituted rules and created a climate where other people couldnt partake in things we did? if you look at our communities, most minorites when they get here come and live in the black communities, go with us to our schools, engage in our cultures and music, etc. only thing we generally ask is for ppl to not disrespect us. it is not written and said blacks would run a major sport like white people because we have not created ideas that make us feel like we are inherently better than anyone. mayne NOI, but they aint running sportss or represent most blacks. thats superimposing the traditional white way of doing things in america on us, and i think thats wrong.

BUT to answer your questions, a more rigid standard needs to be set when considering coaches. something that we can at least identify to make someone qualified to get a pro job (or college job). a certain amount of wins, a certain observable and accountable change in the wins/losses of a team under your coaching, but something that can at least be measured. i dont think that exists in the NFL today. what are the specifics? i have to think about a lil more, mainly cause im not being asked to help implement a new system. but i do think some level of observable standards must be set, and i do think overall we need more coordinating jobs and things of that nature. but to be honest, the problem doesnt JUST lie at the NFL level, it kinda starts from even the high school and college levels. when you think about the teams that continually win in high schools, lots of times they are schools in the suburbs, or those that recruit black kids to play for black coaches ( i can attest to this in texas myself), or even sometime schools kids who have access to steriods and drugs, which give a lotta fortunate white coaches a competitive advantage that allows them to move up the ranks. its not just a cut and dry nfl problem. like i said earlier its really institutional and much of the racism and other isms have to fixed from the ground up. but ppl going around and denying it exists or brushing it off wont help to create an even playing field. we have to investigate and understand how this stuff works, unite as an interest group (like other ppl do) THEN we can start to find solutions and actually get sh*t done
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that rooney rule is some bullsh*t. that rule may seem like it levels the playing field for all coaches white or black but its a slap in the face of the qualified minorities who deserve a shot to be a head coach in the league. those people go to the interview knowing that they're not going to be chosen. its basically the front office going "hey lets get this quota ni99er out of the way so we can bring our guy in tomorrow". why should a mandate like that have to exist anyway? it highlights the underlying racism in the league. so dont sit here and act like race isnt a factor anymore.
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lets be real do you think any team in the NFL would have switched to an option based offense for a black QB like the Broncos did for Tebow.........ill wait....
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 jplaydadon said:
how the fu*k you know if they work hard or not? define working hard and tell me what those guys didnt do. especially vince. how you gonna say a playoff QB, 31-19 as a starter, pro bowler, who improved his passing despite having sh*tty receivers, not work hard. you are stupid as fu*k dude. matter of fact, vince got rookie of the year, AND had a better winning percentage his rookie year than cam. the fu*k you talkin about? the rookie rushing record he broke was held by who? VINCE. no, you dont throw ppl under the bus when you dont know their situation. and your analysis that black qbs not being as prevalent is stupid considering how difficult it is for black qbs to get opportunities. and yes they impact each other because the media makes it that way, but you dont see them do white guys like that when david carr, ryan leaf, his teammate clausen, and other white guys suck a.ss. the nfl has always been racially biased and thats not really a secret. but a young qb like him saying out of line sh*t, isnt a good look. you dont sh*t on other black qbs like that, like i said, when you dont understand the situation. hes no more of a choir boy than those guys, his a.ss was stealing sh*t and taking money, he has no right to talk about what makes a qb look bad. gtfoh and he needs to shut up and play football

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