Dec 19 - Ron Paul Takes The Lead In Iowa

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 12-19-2011, 08:57 AM         #1
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Dec 19 - Ron Paul Takes The Lead In Iowa
 

 

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Poll: Gingrich falters in Iowa, Paul takes lead
By Jonathan Easley - 12/19/11 07:35 AM ET

With the caucuses only two weeks away, Newt Gingrich’s numbers have collapsed in Iowa and Ron Paul has become the latest GOP presidential candidate to surge to the top, according to a Public Policy Poll released on Monday.

Paul leads the field at 23 percent, followed by Mitt Romney at 20 percent, Newt Gingrich at 14 percent, Rick Santorum at 10 percent, Jon Huntsman, Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry at four percent, and Gary Johnson at two percent.

Gingrich peaked in the PPP survey two weeks ago when he led the field at 27 percent, but his support fell to 22 percent the following week and to 14 percent today.

The barrage of campaign ads targeting Gingrich in Iowa and the attacks from his rivals at the GOP debates seem to have also been effective in slashing his favorability numbers in the Hawkeye State.

Two weeks ago, 62 percent said they had a favorable view of the former House speaker, compared to only 46 percent today. Conversely, those who have a negative view of Gingrich rose from 31 percent to 47 percent over the same period.

In Iowa, traditional wisdom says that a candidate needs a strong ground game to secure voter turnout for the caucus-style election, and some have speculated that even if Gingrich led in the polls caucus day, that his support was too soft to win.

Gingrich only set up a campaign office in Iowa this month and previous polls indicated that his supporters were largely open to changing their minds before election day.

Paul, on the other hand, is known for his energized support base and efficient campaign structure. He leads the field in supporter commitment among Iowa voters – 73 percent of those who chose Paul said they had definitively made up their minds.

If Paul’s numbers in Iowa hold through to the Jan. 3 vote, he’ll be the favorite to win the first early-voting state.

Still, there are trouble spots for the Texas congressman.

Two of the groups that are buoying his support in Iowa are younger voters and those who identify as either Democrats or Independents, while Paul comes in a distant third among seniors.

In addition, Iowa voters see Romney as the more electable candidate on the national stage. Twenty-five percent said he has the best chance to defeat President Obama, followed by Gingrich at 17 percent and Paul at 16 percent.

And the Iowa caucuses are notoriously unpredictable, as evidenced by former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee’s unexpected victory in 2008. With four candidates currently polling in double-digits and two Tea Party favorites still hoping for a surge, nothing is settled.

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192 comments for "Dec 19 - Ron Paul Takes The Lead In Iowa"

 12-19-2011, 10:18 AM         #2
Michael_Moore  OP
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 Michael 1987 said:
But he only leads it don't mean he will win it.
it's looking good so far though...:dancingcool:
 12-19-2011, 10:25 AM         #3
Michael_Moore  OP
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 Gattsau said:
This is a lie. According to the genisues on bx be has no shot.
 6 years ago '07        #4
Ham Rove 3511 heat pts3511
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If you win Iowa it doesn't mean you can win the nomination in regards to the presidency, didn't Huckabee win in 2008? And I'm pretty sure the eventual nomination McCain, ended up coming in like third. Paul also has A LOT of time and money invested in Iowa, with a lot of commercials and stuff. I still don't see him getting the nomination though, especially with the FOX News machine against him. They were even bringing up those old newsletters on FOX, seems like they really wanna discredit him.


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 6 years ago '04        #5
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 minimafia_aj said:
If you win Iowa it doesn't mean you can win the nomination in regards to the presidency, didn't Huckabee win in 2008? And I'm pretty sure the eventual nomination McCain, ended up coming in like third. Paul also has A LOT of time and money invested in Iowa, with a lot of commercials and stuff. I still don't see him getting the nomination though, especially with the FOX News machine against him. They were even bringing up those old newsletters on FOX, seems like they really wanna discredit him.

this

its just one primary. . .and its the first primary. The thing about ron paul is that hes got his core of supporters which are giving him the lead now

but lets see what happens when 1) some of the other candidates drop out and their supporters have to vote for someone else, and 2) he actually has some scrutiny in the media about some of his more controversial beliefs
 6 years ago '04        #6
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 Gattsau said:
Funny just watched the video, it's digesting how the msm is still not focusing on him. They barely talks about him. It's sad that the media is still trying to pass him off as a joke.

I wouldnt say he's a joke

but

a guy like that cant be president unless you seriously want this whole sh*t to collapse all at once. I fu*ks with him because at least hes not a pandering politician. But seriously, from an economic perspective hes been dangerously wrong on a lot of sh*t and would run this country into chaos
 6 years ago '04        #7
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for one. . .he made the a.ssertion that the Fed was wrong for trying to stimulate the economy the way that it did and that the end result was going to be rampant inflation because the Fed was printing money

that never happened
 6 years ago '04        #8
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He also thinks that the way to simulate the economy is to drastically cut government spending and control our deficits

and you can look to europe and see how terribly that kind of program is going. . .


End of the day, he's a libertarian. . .libertarian economics = mehhhhhh
 12-19-2011, 11:33 AM         #9
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 abstractq said:
I wouldnt say he's a joke

but

a guy like that cant be president unless you seriously want this whole sh*t to collapse all at once. I fu*ks with him because at least hes not a pandering politician. But seriously, from an economic perspective hes been dangerously wrong on a lot of sh*t and would run this country into chaos
 6 years ago '04        #10
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 Michael_Moore said:


so when ron paul follows through with his commitment to cut ONE TRILLION dollars from government spending, the economy goes back into recession, unemployment hits 15% or more, and the riots start. . .i kinda wonder what you will say then
 6 years ago '04        #11
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 Gattsau said:
Are you serious? It is happening now.

its not happening now

commodity prices have been falling pretty steadily since the summer

prices in the economy have fallen over the past few months despite the fed continuing with their record amounts of stimulus


just the facts b. . .
 6 years ago '04        #12
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 Gattsau said:
Uhm the country is in a recession and the true unemployement/underemployement is above 15 pct.

imagine what true unemployment will be when official unemployment his 15% or more. . .
 6 years ago '04        #13
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as for the country currently being in a recession, nahhh

conditions are bad here, but not recession bad

job growth been positive for more than a year

manufacturing is generally growing

GDP rising


again, just the facts. . .
 12-19-2011, 11:49 AM         #14
Michael_Moore  OP
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 abstractq said:
so when ron paul follows through with his commitment to cut ONE TRILLION dollars from government spending, the economy goes back into recession, unemployment hits 15% or more, and the riots start. . .i kinda wonder what you will say then
as opposed to the wonderful direction the country's headed into now right? you're trolling right?
 6 years ago '04        #15
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Rofl@ peter schiff

another one who said interest rates would soar and hyperinflation was on the way. Right now interest rates lower than they ever been and inflation sitting at around 3% or so after the Fed TRIPLED the monetary base. . . .poor Schiff, dead wrong

man foh with these dudes. . . look b, one libertarian cosigning another meeans absolutely sh*t when they are both wrong
 6 years ago '04        #16
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LOL@ this guy. . .this was the beginning of the year

and whats fu*ked up is. . .i KNOW peter schiff is a gold guy. Which means he was buying gold and was probably happy as sh*t when gold hit $1900 this year

now down to $1550 or so

so he been taking a beating on his recent gold purchases. . .and this is with whom you place your faith?
 6 years ago '04        #17
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again

inflation isnt rapid in this country

its been 20 years or more since the last time inflation was 5% or higher here

and 5% isnt THAT bad either

Ron Paul got all excited cause gas prices and oil prices were going up after the Arab Spring, and thought that he was right finally and said the big event was here and hyperinflation was on the way

Dead wrong. . .
 6 years ago '04        #18
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PLENTY of people were right about the housing collapse and the recession tho

Hell, the Economist magazine ran a massive article on the housing bubble in 2005 detailing pretty much exactly what the fallout would be



Note the date there. . .

So why run with ron paul because he was right there? Stiglitz was also right in predicting the housing bubble and recession. So was Paul Krugman. Difference between them and Ron Paul is 1) they are actually economists, not medical doctors playing economists on TV and 2) they've been right about sh*t AFTER the housing bubble burst


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 12-19-2011, 12:19 PM         #19
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 abstractq said:



LOL@ this guy. . .this was the beginning of the year

and whats fu*ked up is. . .i KNOW peter schiff is a gold guy. Which means he was buying gold and was probably happy as sh*t when gold hit $1900 this year

now down to $1550 or so

so he been taking a beating on his recent gold purchases. . .and this is with whom you place your faith?
the global elite also had the Iraqi invasion planned to happen in '02 but it happened in '03...the elite also had 9/11 planned for 2000 but it happened in '01 as well..the recession of '08..I could go on...if the plans and the wheels have already been set in motion for these things to happen what fu*kin' difference does it make if the dates are off?..so what are you saying exactly don't have your money in precious metals like gold & silver & keep it in paper? you do that...let me know how that works out for you in a couple months...
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 Michael_Moore said:
the global elite also had the Iraqi invasion planned to happen in '02 but it happened in '03...the elite also had 9/11 planned for 2000 but it happened in '01 as well..the recession of '08..I could go on...if the plans and the wheels have already been set in motion for these things to happen what fu*kin' difference does it make if the dates are off?

its more than just the dates being off tho

the reasoning behind it is flawed

not to get too technical but liberrtarians like schiff believe in the following equation

MV = PY

money supply times velocity (number of times money changes hands) = nominal GDP (PY)

they a.ssume velocity is fixed and real GDP (Y) is not affected by prices, so whenever you increase the money supply, the only thing you do is increase inflation

but velocity isnt fixed, so their models are fu*ked



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again, just facts. . .
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