Nov 26 - Will World War III be between the U.S. and China?

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 11-27-2011, 10:21 PM         #21
ahenson  OP
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 palogee said:
SOme of yall have clearly never fought a f!ght in your life. Its always the one who thinks they can't be beat getting knocked on their a.ss for underestimating the enemy. Also, there are many who have been waiting for our downfall.

And look at everything you're buying for Christmas... WHere is it made??? Think we can just snap our fingers an replace all that cheap sweatshop labor to prove a point???:lachen001:
So you're a military expert because you've gotten into a f!ght before? No one is underestimating China, and they definitely aren't awaiting our downfall, because so much of their monterary interest are tied up in the United States. Even their currency is pegged to the dollar. Get your mind out of the 1800s, this is a global economy, if the U.S. is in trouble China is, based on exposure.

Most of the "made in china" sh*t is false. The products are coming from South Korea, Taiwan and other places. Advanced nations export their labor to less advanced nations. Even with that, China's exports don't prove some type of world domination. So what we give them the task of putting together sh*t while the U.S. focus' on the better sh*t.

This article is not factoring in the variable that the U.S. is far ahead in military technology, who cares if they grow in their technology, the U.S. will grow too. Maybe someone should post an article about China's internal issues like the coming real estate collapse or their overvalued firms, or communist state holding back economic progress. Some of you ppl need to visit China before you have something to say.......................................
 11-27-2011, 10:27 PM         #22
ibcpirate  OP
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 Jessie19994 said:
hahahahahahah fu*k China
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 6 years ago '06        #23
Adewale 15 heat pts15
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So people believe China is going to go to war with the United States, even tho their basic economic structure is based on US consumption of their products? (The main reason why they buy up all our debt, so we can give them back their money with interest)

China is eating of the production and buying of our goods through them, and if we do not continue to do that, they wont eat. You think they want to go to war with us. Thats like a drug dealer k!lling all his customers.

Yo just take the L, China slaved labored it's people for your conveniences for generations and its finally paying off. Now we are stuck. The companies who sustained our economy sold us out, by moving all production of American goods over to China to increase profits. Now you wanna blame China, for taking advantage of what we allowed?

The human mind is beyond primitive. The automatic thought of k!lling anything you can't control or understand is bewildering that so many people have accepted that as the only solution for human to human interaction. Why dont you just get smarter and realize what is REALLY happening instead of listening to dumb n*gga's making a.ssumptions.
 6 years ago '05        #24
RNOTY 53 heat pts53
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its wild people down playing china's technology when they have a jet that either in the proto stages or in development that suppose to sh*t on F-16's
 6 years ago '06        #25
Stupid Fresh 183 heat pts183
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Draft? I got webbed feet I'll holla
 6 years ago '09        #26
Baynut 5 heat pts
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 ronin said:
its wild people down playing china's technology when they have a jet that either in the proto stages or in development that suppose to sh*t on F-16's
You realize we've had F-16's since like 1974? So you're saying we should be afraid because they are making something which sh*ts on something we made 35+ years ago... Right...

If we made F-16's in the 70's, imagine what we have now. Exactly.
 6 years ago '04        #27
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 ronin said:
its wild people down playing china's technology when they have a jet that either in the proto stages or in development that suppose to sh*t on F-16's
And think, if that was actually true, just HOW would you even begin to even know something like that even existed eh?....

However we have ZERO answers for this


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haha all bullsh*t aside, we need to get the fu*k off this war sh*t and get our sh*t straight


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 6 years ago '09        #28
Heartless Peezy 7 heat pts
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we rely on china to much to fu*k with them n*ggas like that
 6 years ago '05        #29
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 Stupid Fresh said:
Draft? I got webbed feet I'll holla
Oh so u got webbed feet huh?

Guess you'll enjoy that seal's training? lmao
 6 years ago '08        #30
YoungRay20 290 heat pts290
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 revolution03 said:
fu*k China and all them stupid small azn pussies
nothing wrong with small azn pus*y....
 6 years ago '04        #31
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 stabbin101 said:
if you read the article, it clearly stated that within the decade chinas massive armed foced will mature, and china is economically far ahead of america. it could be interesting when china slowly rises. never doubt the chinese, they are very humble people: they let america off for supporting taiwan and stealing their island, there was the 1953 secret war where america fell back, and other examples. china can and prob will take the top 1 spot.
Lol @ humble. They bully all Southeast Asia and annoy Japan and Korea.
 6 years ago '05        #32
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 Baynut said:
You realize we've had F-16's since like 1974? So you're saying we should be afraid because they are making something which sh*ts on something we made 35+ years ago... Right...

If we made F-16's in the 70's, imagine what we have now. Exactly.
 Cutty Olds said:
And think, if that was actually true, just HOW would you even begin to even know something like that even existed eh?....

However we have ZERO answers for this


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haha all bullsh*t aside, we need to get the fu*k off this war sh*t and get our sh*t straight

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BEIJING—The first clear pictures of what appears to be a Chinese stealth f!ghter prototype have been published online, highlighting China's military buildup just days before U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates heads to Beijing to try to repair defense ties.

The photographs, published on several unofficial Chinese and foreign defense-related websites, appear to show a J-20 prototype making a high-speed taxi test—usually one of the last steps before an aircraft makes its first flight—according to experts on aviation and China's military.


WSJ's Rebecca Blumenstein explains to Simon Constable new photos indicate the possibility that the Chinese military has developed a new stealth f!ghter jet, confirming fears of a military buildup.

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The exact origin of the photographs is unclear, although they appear to have been taken by Chinese enthusiasts from the grounds of or around the Chengdu Aircraft Design Institute in western China, where the J-20 is in development. A few experts have suggested that the pictured aircraft is a mock-up, rather than a functioning prototype of a stealth f!ghter—so-called because it is designed to evade detection by radar and infrared sensors.

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But many more experts say they believe the pictures and the aircraft are authentic, giving the strongest indication yet that Beijing is making faster-than-expected progress in developing a rival to the U.S. F-22—the world's only fully operational stealth f!ghter.

China's defense ministry and air force couldn't be reached to comment on the latest photos. Even without official confirmation, however, the photographs are likely to bolster concerns among U.S. officials and politicians about China's military modernization, which also includes the imminent deployment of its first aircraft carrier and "carrier-killer" antiship ballistic missiles.


Global View Columnist Bret Stephens analyzes the stealth f!ghter and China's growing firepower.

Such weapons systems would significantly enhance China's ability to hinder U.S. intervention in a conflict over Taiwan, and challenge U.S. naval supremacy in the Asia-Pacific region.

Gen. He Weirong, deputy head of China's Air Force, announced in 2009 that China's first stealth f!ghters were about to undergo test flights and would be deployed in "eight or 10 years." But there was no clear physical evidence of their existence until the latest photographs emerged.

Chinese authorities who monitor Internet traffic in the country appear not to have tried to block the J-20 pictures.

"The photos I've seen look genuine," said Gareth Jennings, aviation desk editor at Jane's Defence Weekly.

"It's pretty far down the line," he said. "The fact that its nose wheel is off the ground in one picture suggest this was a high-speed taxi test—that usually means a test flight very soon afterwards. All the talk we've heard is that this could happen some time in the next few weeks."

U.S. officials played down Chinese advances on the plane, which American intelligence agencies believe will likely be operational around 2018. "We are aware that the Chinese have recently been conducting taxi tests and there are photos of it," said Pentagon spokesman Col. David Lapan. "We know they are working on a fifth-generation f!ghter but progress appears to be uneven."

Col. Lapan said it appears the Chinese are still seeking engines for a fourth-generation f!ghter from Russia, an indication that they are "still encountering problems" with development work toward the fifth-generation aircraft, the J-20.

But the 2018 estimate suggests U.S. officials believe China's development of the fifth-generation f!ghter has accelerated. In 2009, Mr. Gates predicted that China wouldn't deploy a fifth-generation f!ghter until 2020. U.S. officials said the latest disclosures wouldn't affect any U.S. aircraft-development programs.

China has made rapid progress in developing a capability to produce advanced weapons, also including unmanned aerial vehicles, after decades of importing and reverse engineering Russian arms. The photographs throw a fresh spotlight on the sensitive issue of China's military modernization just as Washington and Beijing try to improve relations following a series of public disputes in 2010.

U.S.-China Disputes in 2010

January: China suspends military ties over U.S. arms sales to Taiwan

March: China refuses to blame North Korea for sinking of South Korean ship

July: China protests after Secretary of State Hillary Clinton says U.S. has national interest in South China Sea

September: China angered by perceived U.S. support for Japan in row over disputed islands.

U.S. House of Representatives passes bill authorizing action against China for manipulation of its currency

October: U.S. congratulates Liu Xiaobo, jailed Chinese dissident, for winning the Nobel Peace Prize

November: China refuses to condemn North Korea for artillery raid on South Korea.

U.S. sends aircraft carrier to joint military exercises with South Korea

December: U.S. again expresses support for Liu Xiaobo ahead of Nobel ceremony. U.S. moves two more aircraft carriers to the region

Defense Secretary Gates is due to begin a long-delayed visit to Beijing on Sunday—almost exactly a year after China suspended military ties in protest over U.S. arms sales to Taiwan.

China's President Hu Jintao is then due to begin a state visit to the U.S. on Jan. 19. President Barack Obama joined in preparatory talks at the White House on Tuesday between his national security adviser, Tom Donilon, and Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi. During the meeting, Mr. Obama said he was committed to building a bilateral relationship that is "cooperative in nature," the White House said.

The two countries clashed last year over issues including the value of the Chinese currency, China's territorial claims in the South China Sea and vocal U.S. support for a jailed Chinese dissident who won the Nobel Peace Prize.

The U.S. was also frustrated by China's refusal to condemn two North Korean attacks on South Korea, while Beijing was angered by a U.S. decision to respond to the second attack, the shelling of a South Korean island in November, by sending an aircraft carrier to take part in joint naval exercises with Seoul near China's coast.

The U.S. and its Asian allies have also been alarmed by China's naval maneuvers and more forceful stance on territorial issues, while China's military strategists have accused the U.S. of trying to "contain" China—most recently by sending two more aircraft carriers to the region in December.

"The U.S. wants to retain its global hegemony and also preserve its regional interests. It is not comfortable with China's military rise," Senior Col. Han Xudong, a professor at China's National Defense University, was quoted as saying in the Global Times newspaper Tuesday.

Experts who said they thought the photographs were authentic included Andrei Chang of the Canadian-based Kanwa Asian Defence Monthly, and Richard Fisher, an expert on the Chinese military at the International Strategy and a.ssessment Center in Washington.

Several experts said the prototype's body appeared to borrow from the F-22 and other U.S. stealth aircraft, but they couldn't tell from the photographs how advanced it was in terms of avionics, composite materials or other key aspects of stealth technology.

They said that China was probably several years behind Russia, whose first stealth f!ghter, the Sukhoi T-50, made its first flight in January 2010, but that Beijing was catching up faster than expected.

The U.S. cut funding for the F-22 in 2009 in favor of the F-35, a smaller, cheaper stealth f!ghter that made its first test flight in 2006 and is expected to be fully deployed by around 2014. The F-22 has mainly been used for exercises and operations around U.S. airspace, but some have been deployed to Guam and Okinawa to help maintain the U.S. security umbrella in the Asia-Pacific region.

The Chinese prototype looks like it has "the potential to be a competitor with the F-22 and to be decisively superior to the F-35," said Mr. Fisher. The J-20 has two engines, like the F-22, and is about the same size, while the F-35 is smaller and has only one engine.

China's stealth-f!ghter program has implications also for Japan, which is considering buying F-35s, and for India, which last month firmed up a deal with Russia to jointly develop and manufacture a stealth f!ghter.
Im sorry I didn't mean to say F-16, I shold've said F-22
 6 years ago '09        #33
Baynut 5 heat pts
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 ronin said:
Im sorry I didn't mean to say F-16, I shold've said F-22
We've had F-22's since 2pac died. Also, correct me If I'm mistaken 2011 was the last year F-22's were made. So again, If we had this sh*t when 2pac died and no longer make them(cause we got something new which sh*ts on it), what you think we got now?


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 6 years ago '04        #34
DezCaughtIt 15 heat pts15
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can a war between 2 countries be considered a world war?
 6 years ago '05        #35
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When China got involved in the Korea war we should have went all out and bomb their cities and there factories. But we did't so really they didn't win anything. But we as Americans need to do is stop buying stuff made in china. Also if we go to war with China we would have to use nuclear weapons. I mean if you have a Chinese army unit of 10 million troops there's no way you can defeat them we have to drop a nuke on them. Plus there army has 200 hundred million people in it. Plus yo fu*k China every thing they have they copied from us. Even there highway system they copied from us. The one thing we can do now is find new ways to prevent them from stealing our technology. But good read props for this....
 6 years ago '04        #36
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 YoungRay20 said:
nothing wrong with small azn pus*y....
AMEN TO THAT!! :agreement6:
 6 years ago '07        #37
MOTTAFOOKAH 4 heat pts
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I like how a lot of yall see we like you have a say in what goes on in the US....
 6 years ago '04        #38
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 ronin said:
Oh so u got webbed feet huh?

Guess you'll enjoy that seal's training? lmao
 11-27-2011, 11:58 PM         #39
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 6 years ago '09        #40
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I'm tired of people saying China is the top dog country. If we're gonna war, we need to do it soon. China looks big and powerful on the outside looking in, but I really do want to see how they react when they get hit with a Godzilla sized bomb
















































































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