NBA Owners have made proposal of 51%..Only Downhill from here

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 7 years ago '07        #121
KnicksLost 17 heat pts17
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 dat_boi_tj said:
If Mccdonalds employees got 50% of what the branch earned, everyone would be rich...
sh*tty a.ss analogy...anybody can flip a burger and drop fries use your fu*kin brain


Im ready to say fu*k it take the 51% at this point but the owners gotta cut the bullsh*t out
 7 years ago '05        #122
OG T Gutta N 10 heat pts10
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 Optimus Crime said:
You make good points... But I respectfully disagree... I never bought into the "players taking risk by going to the league so they can be compensated for it." That's a choice that someone actively made... They fact that a small percentage leave and have degrees is the fault of no one but the persons that are making the decisions to forgo the rest of their scholarships.

I had an uncle that got a full ride to a D1 college (for baseball), went a year, saved his money while he was playing [which was pennies compared to what NBA players make) and blew out his knee in Triple A. He wasn't in a dire situation.... He used his money to go back to school, finish his education... and now he's making $150k plus in a down economy... Neither one of his parents even went to college... Pretty much grew up from the country... Be payed attention in what little time he spent with college and made good decisions that eventually paid off to secure his future for his kids.

We talk about holding the owners responsible for making bad business decisions, well I fell like that logic should also apply to the players making the poor life decisions as well. If there's going to be a standard that must be applied, it should be applied to the players as well. You speak of developing a multi-million dollar skill... Well the owners have one of their own. Their business acumen is one as well isn't it? Their skills are arguably worth more.. (They've generated more income over the course of their lives haven't they) so why should they not be entitled to demand more...

I don't believe that people want these players to be as broke as they are. I just think they're a little bit disgusted at the "slave" parallelism that these athletes used. It was a horrible idea to even think about using that term lol... I generally could care less how the outcome happens. I think both sides are being selfish, and the fans are the ones suffering. I also feel like their actions will have repercussions as well... But ah well... I just hope that the NBA. Whatever comes from this... Affects me in no way... So I just wish for their own sake that they wrap it up
Let me give you a different analogy. If you went through college, and after obtaining your degree(of a high stature) you find the entire field gone, or depleted of economic resources; is this fair to say, that was you're poor life decision(maybe, but hardly in a skilled sector)? That is essentially what has been said. If those who own hospitals said one day their Doctors we're overpaid, and dropped their salary from 200K, to 180K due to the fact, people aren't hurting themselves enough(ie: not even revenue being generated), is this fair?

Athletes are followed even at point of childhood from these scouts, it's not as if professional sports isn't akin to education, they reside in the same institution, and are co-dependent in various ways(ie: don't pass class, don't play). These guys are literally conditioned by these owners, before they are even aware, to attempt to play for them. Nobody has the idea "damn, I can't wait to play oversea's" from the get go.

You're uncle is a different case, being that he only played 1 year and got injured, these are extreme cases, not someone who has devoted his life to his field of work. That guy who never makes court, or rarely, lives for that shine, and he too needs stability to live. Not to mention the external hours put in training and so on.

The businessmen skills aren't of talent in the same way, as their education and finances got them to be owners, not as if they simply applied due to having the ability to effective run a team(or else this situation wouldn't be). Even more, the success of the NBA isn't placed solely on them managing a team, as the players do the majority in terms of generating the income on a daily basis for the team. Yes the NBA is a privilege, but they did not create the sport, and if not them, someone else, so to give all the accolade of the sport to the owners for forming a league is simply out the picture.

They can't demand more, because the standard for the employees wages were set by them, as that doctor who made 200K, a salary deduction due to the hospital owners stupidity, is a slap in the face of their ability and false representation of the job to begin with, basically saying "you aren't worth as much now...not really, I'm just making enough to be satisfied."

I don't know about the slave parallels they've made, but they are being devalued for no reason of their own(somewhat, but again, managers fault). If more money was to be put into the league through some sort of economy jolt, we'll see the inflation of salaries again, this is the owners stupidity, fueled by greed.

Now in defense of the Billionaires, if I wanted my team to meet a certain income target, and we failed, I'd start trimming the fat, that is what a good businessman does, not overcompensate and perpetuate the problem. Lebron doesn't bring a ring(as I expect due to what I pay him), n*gga can cut. But the attachment of these players, and brand is ultimately what ends up fu*king them, not Bron not meeting expectations, the owners believing he will after consistent signs of it not happening. (anyone can spare the Bron d!ckriding, or fact pulling, not sure if that is accurate anyways). This is the cycle that has the NBA where it is at, and besides poor performance(which can hardly be singled out on a team), I don't see the players fault much.


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 7 years ago '04        #123
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slaves? i swear these dudes made the choice to play basketball
 11-06-2011, 07:14 PM         #124
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i just wanna watch some nba whatever it takes get these people back in tha game
 7 years ago '10        #125
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my eyes hurt from reading all this lockout sh*t
 11-06-2011, 08:16 PM         #126
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can anyone tell me other businesses like idk walmart. how much of the revenue does walmart pay to its employees? just any company any of you or your parents work for. you guys will argue all day these guys need to make 2.5 million instead of 2 million.

and it kinda seems to me they want to be owners. they want a split of like a business partner. but im curious at the end of the day if the team loses money who pays that. who makes the difference. the owners. its not like these owners could say guess what guys we lost money this season we all owe 200k. idk maybe im wrong but seems to me they want to be owners but not with the responsibility. so if theres no money, would the players be responsible for 57% of the debt?


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 7 years ago '04        #127
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Besides maybe Kobe, Lebron, Wade and maybe Durant who in the Nba is worth that 57 percent. I couldn't even tell you who's on half of these teams today unlike in the 90's when Jordan, Ewing, Shaq, Barkley and others were playing you knew almost everyone on the different teams even teams like the Alanta Hawks and Toronto Raptors


players need to stop being greedy and play ball they still making Millions. Learn to manage their money and stop trying to floss.


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 11-06-2011, 09:22 PM         #128
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We the PEOPLE should do the same.
 11-06-2011, 09:45 PM         #129
T Bonics 
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 GUNIT-FINEST said:
your stupid players have come down from 57 percent to 51 we are talking about

over 100 million dollars A YEAR IN LOOSE u idiots man if stupid fans are just gonna be \

jealous of players cause u make nothing then just say that wat it is. Owners will never loose

cause the general public like yourself is to busy crying about how much players make WHO ARE THE WHOLE fu*kING GAME.
no..UR the idot.. siding with "the players" like kobe bryant really gives a fu*k if u got him in ur avy.. all the lockout is is millionaires arguing over millions of dollars plain and simple..nothing but greedy pigs and nigs..there are no "sides" if u are a fan of the nba. just disgust.
 7 years ago '08        #130
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 albemarle said:
Besides maybe Kobe, Lebron, Wade and maybe Durant who in the Nba is worth that 57 percent. I couldn't even tell you who's on half of these teams today unlike in the 90's when Jordan, Ewing, Shaq, Barkley and others were playing you knew almost everyone on the different teams even teams like the Alanta Hawks and Toronto Raptors


players need to stop being greedy and play ball they still making Millions. Learn to manage their money and stop trying to floss.
That last statement holds no weight. The players aren't greedy in this situation, it's the owners. They are the ones who don't know how to manage their money giving these bums these overrated bums lucrative contracts, which is why there is a lockout in the first place, not a players strike.

Why do people keep comparing the NBA to a 9-5 job? The players ARE THE PRODUCT, not sell the product. Players win games and bring in the money. Go back and watch MJ hall of fame speech. I can't say he reniged on his word but he switched sides so he has no choice but to. You think people go to games to watch smush and kwame? How about televising a bunch of wizards and timberwolves games?

No one will pay or watch because they don't have the players to produce the revenue for them. Trying to involve more revenue sharing between teams will not make the NBA more competitive. There will always be bummy teams in the league. That's sports in general.

At the end of the day, this all about power for the owners. They will not agree on a deal the union presents. It only be what they offer so it looks like they are in charge. Kind of comparative to Obama and the republicans. This n*gga can have a great plan favoring them and the reps will still decline so it doesn't make him look good. Players dropped from 57 to 54 to 52. Now owners are saying 51 so it can look like they are in charge. It's all about power...


End rant...


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 11-06-2011, 10:39 PM         #131
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fu*k these greedy n*ggas


i dont even give a fu*k anymore about the nba, sh*ts disgusting with this lockout. they lost a fan, time is ticking for my celts
 7 years ago '11        #132
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 ondatpurple said:
stopped reading after this. yes you are f*ggit
yea sure

n*gga waited 3 pages to respond to that ether



shut the fuk up b4 i really slap you into your stable



















he's scared


























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 7 years ago '07        #133
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 SeaJaiye said:
lol. thats how theyre able to get away with all this sh*t, cuz dumb n*ggas like you think material sh*t + money = everything.

they get players to come in at a young age and give them a sh*tload of money so by the time they retire, they have nothing and they were used for their talents. only the major stars remain relevant after they retire.
God you're stupid. Its not the NBA's responsibility to teach them how to manage their money. They get paid MILLIONS of dollars a year and spend it like as*holes, then they go broke and its the NBAs fault?

I do think the players should get more of the revenue, since their careers are limited, they are the NBA, cause without them NBA doesn't exist and they are putting their well being on the line. But acting as if these guys are getting suckered or are some how slaves is flat out stupid.


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 7 years ago '11        #134
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 Offical said:
Honestly,

I think the players should get a TAD bit more than the owners maybe by half a percent.

Just because The Players are what drives DEMAND for NBA games, not the owners.

The only thing i want to see changed in the new CBA is that these medicore a.ss players should not be getting huge contracts.

Players like Andre Igadolla or however you spell that sh*t should never get $60 Million dollar contracts, that is fu*king ridiculous, he is a.ss, they need to change the structure in which these players get paid thats all i care about.

I believe Samuel Dalemeberts bum a.ss got a $30 Million dollar contract are some outrageous sh*t

Kobe, Durant, Wade , Rose , Bonafide superstar should get the big bucks not these piece of sh*t a.ss players. You got bum a.ss players on the bobcats that still have $10 Million left in their contract

that is fu*king ridiculous
are you retarted? it's the gm's fault for making those horrible contracts. has nothing to do with the cba
 11-06-2011, 11:27 PM         #135
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at the thought of Kobe starting his own NBA.
 11-06-2011, 11:27 PM         #136
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I don't even know why y'all are arguing over slave this/slave that. Player's a.ssociation is decertifying and we're losing the season. The Nets starting five is about to be Kobe, Lebron, D-12, CP3 and Kerry Kittles coming out of retirement for the ring
 11-06-2011, 11:39 PM         #137
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So close yet so far away
 7 years ago '04        #138
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the players still dont realize that the offers only get worse from here on out.

im starting to not even care anymore
 7 years ago '10        #139
MANNYSOSA 17 heat pts17
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I wonder what the white players think of the this whole saga
 7 years ago '06        #140
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Athletes everywhere are overpaid

who cares

fu*k the NBA.. hope that sh*t never comes back
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