2011 Eminem > 2011 Jay-Z

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whose better in 2011
Eminem 84 64.62%
Jay-Z 46 35.38%
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 6 years ago '09        #221
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 MasterMind715 said:
That's your opinion and eminem was a better rapper in his prime then Jayz renegade proved that
Using one song to gauge who's better is honestly absurd and I have no idea why so many people think that's a compelling argument...yes, Eminem did better on Renegade, so what?

Overall, Jay is easily better...I really don't see how anyone can argue otherwise...

Reasonable Doubt: classic
Vol 1: near classic
Vol 2: good
Vol 3: mediocre
Dynasty: good
Blueprint: classic
Blueprint 2: bloated but still good...if condensed to a single disk, an undeniable classic
Black Album: classic
Kingdom Come: underrated as fu*k, actually a good album
American Gangster: classic
Blueprint 3: mediocre...probably his worst work, lyrically...
Watch the Throne: near classic

Eminem's first 3 are between great and classic...Encore and Relapse are horrendous and Recovery is solid...BME and everything he's done since Recovery has been pretty awful...Jay has many many many more great/classic songs if you take their entire discographies into account...
 6 years ago '04        #222
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 whothebestmc said:

but who knew one song could prove something, i guess dr. dre and 50 cent are better than eminem because of crack a bottle
 6 years ago '08        #223
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 whothebestmc said:
ah the irony you tell him thats his opinion then give us your opinion.

but who knew one song could prove something, i guess dr. dre and 50 cent are better than eminem because of crack a bottle


its funny how these kids all say that sh*t cause of ether, before ether wasn't ANYBODY saying it....fu*king followers.
 6 years ago '07        #224
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 Storchaveli said:
Until Jay is able to rap like Em does in Despicable/Above The Law... and make bold creative moves... and takes risks like Relapse (for better or for worse)...performs with another artist that represents what he rapped against to shut his critics up (Elton John)... strips himself of his armor and gets super personal about his life... and shows that he cares about the game by giving back... no way is he better than Em.

I laugh at people who bring up Jay's number one albums and call it consistency. It's not only about how many goals a soccer player scores, for example. You have to look at skill/technique. Bringing that sh*t up, is like calling Robert Horry a better basketball player than Kobe because he has more rings. Em's ability with words and bending syllables is flawless, and his song-writing is top notch. Where's Jay's Stan or Sing For The Moment or Lose Yourself? If Jay had all of these things better than Em, I'd be the first in line to "stan" for him.

Jay has rapped fast like that from like 86-95, you can even hear traces of it on n*gga What n*gga Who (a song that inspired Em to make Forgot about Dre).

Jay made kingdom come, blueprint 3, and wtt, those are risky albums. Kingdom had tracks like Beach Chair, Hollywood, Minority Report amd others, plus he did it successully without having to switch to the mainstream sound of 2006, same thing with Blueprint 3, what other album sounded like it that year? Just because Jay doesn't make songs like Insane, or De Ja Vu doesn't mean Jay doesn't take risk or get personal, Jay raps opens up about his life all the time on records, you can't take away from him because he's not depressed. I don't think you've really listened to Jay with an unibiased ear if you think Jay doesn't open up, Jay does it alot, he just doesn't use a whiney approch.


Jay jumped on Lupe's first album to help push it (put his name on it as executive producer), jumped on Tru Life's stuff plus signed him (to help push him), signed Jada to the Roc and even did a feature on his song, signed J. Cole jumped on his track and gave him his first mainstream appearance on BP3 (J Coles album went number 1), Signed Ross to Def Jam, signed the Roots to Def Jam, Signed Jay Electronica and did a track with him, jumped on Siagons remix which ended up on his album, did countless things for Beanie. And thats just what I can name off the top of my head....do you not consider those guys hip hop? Plus why does Jay get slack for signing Rhiana and Willow but Em never gets slack for pushing G-Unit when they have the same substance (arguably less) that ya'll hate Jay for, yet they do it with less the skill while having more of a fanbase doing it (at the time).


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 6 years ago '07        #225
1LynguisticMind 177 heat pts177 OP
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damn hov stans furious

comparing crack a bottle to renegade
 6 years ago '09        #226
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 1LynguisticMind said:
damn hov stans furious

comparing crack a bottle to renegade
the point of the comparison went completely over your head, huh? You can't judge 'who's better' off of one fu*king song...
 6 years ago '06        #227
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 Vos said:
the point of the comparison went completely over your head, huh? You can't judge 'who's better' off of one fu*king song...
Sure you can. Ask this guy.


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 6 years ago '07        #228
1LynguisticMind 177 heat pts177 OP
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 Vos said:
the point of the comparison went completely over your head, huh? You can't judge 'who's better' off of one fu*king song...
it just blows my mind that em had the verses on already and it Jay still couldnt compete
 11-01-2011, 02:25 PM         #229
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 Vos said:
Using one song to gauge who's better is honestly absurd and I have no idea why so many people think that's a compelling argument...yes, Eminem did better on Renegade, so what?

Overall, Jay is easily better...I really don't see how anyone can argue otherwise...

Reasonable Doubt: classic
Vol 1: near classic
Vol 2: good
Vol 3: mediocre
Dynasty: good
Blueprint: classic
Blueprint 2: bloated but still good...if condensed to a single disk, an undeniable classic
Black Album: classic
Kingdom Come: underrated as fu*k, actually a good album
American Gangster: classic
Blueprint 3: mediocre...probably his worst work, lyrically...
Watch the Throne: near classic

Eminem's first 3 are between great and classic...Encore and Relapse are horrendous and Recovery is solid...BME and everything he's done since Recovery has been pretty awful...Jay has many many many more great/classic songs if you take their entire discographies into account...
This is your Opinion and the fact that u say encore and relapse is garbages.lut bp3 and kingdom come is not shows your a jay z Stan

Jay z has 12 albums to eminem 6 eminem percentage is better


3 classics 2 bad albums and a solid album


Vs

3 classics 3 bad albums and 6 ok albums



Eminem and Jay z are both top 5 so it don't matter who u pick


And ill take eminem classics over jay z classics easily and some people argee and some don't
 11-01-2011, 02:29 PM         #230
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Let's compare what makes a rapper

Creativity

Wordplay

Storytelling

Flow

Impact or accomplishments

Song making ability


If u go by what rappers are judged on eminem is a clear winner
 6 years ago '04        #231
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 MasterMind715 said:
This is your Opinion and the fact that u say encore and relapse is garbages.lut bp3 and kingdom come is not shows your a jay z Stan

Jay z has 12 albums to eminem 6 eminem percentage is better


3 classics 2 bad albums and a solid album


Vs

3 classics 3 bad albums and 6 ok albums



Eminem and Jay z are both top 5 so it don't matter who u pick


And ill take eminem classics over jay z classics easily and some people argee and some don't

what 3 are bad albums?
 11-01-2011, 03:01 PM         #232
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 DJ Maximum said:
what 3 are bad albums?
Bp3
Kingdom come
Bp2 (if it was one disc it would have been good)
 6 years ago '10        #233
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This thread still going?

I gotta say Vos & A-L-P been speaking truth these past two pages. Seriously you've been on the money but No sense in arguing brother.
 6 years ago '08        #234
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 Storchaveli said:
Sure you can. Ask this guy.


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you seen what skin color, and eyes eminem has right?
 6 years ago '08        #235
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 O D said:
yes, but i also see what skin color, and eyes 3 6 mafia has.

:looks at your name:






you're the same f*ggot who i owned a couple months back...salt in you v*gina? buy a douche...u stay on eminems d!ck like kim...this is probably my third post in the hhs in about two weeks but here you go quoting me and defending your boyfriend OD ON THESE NUTS U f*ggot
 6 years ago '10        #236
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 Karamu said:
I've yet to see ANY valid points posted by OD or Snowman. No valid examples on why Jay is terrible now, instead posting the worst song he put out this year that even Jay stans know was mediocre. But I've yet to hear Hov spit something as horrid as "I'm so done with this sh*t, I may as well wipe" or "I'ma put this sh*t in park, like dog sh*t" this year. But somehow your going to use the one positive move Em's made lyrically since before Recovery against several solid verses and features Jay's dropped this year. Also Moon And The Sky remix is probably my favorite Jay verse this year, but I like how nobody acknowledges it but calls someone a hater when they don't acknowledge Em's cypher verse. Especially when Em hasn't put out an undisputely solid album since 2002 whereas Jay put out American Gangster in 2007.

"In sheepskin coats, I silence the lambs
Do you know who I am, Clarice?"

Jay is still improving his use of poetry devices till this day, but somehow hes fallen off and is awful now I'll be the first to admit BP3 is easily Jay's worst work lyrically, but even then putting it under Recovery would be a hyperbole to how bad it actually is. I can post around 25 wack a.ss lines from Recovery by listening to 3 songs alone. Don't believe me..

"You can get the d!ck, just call me the ball sack, I'm nuts"

"Michael Vick in this bi*ch, dogg, fall back, you mutts"

"Motherfu*ker, might as well let my lips pucker like Elton John
Cause I'm just a mean c*cksucker"

"The sh*t is on cause you went and pissed me off
Now I'm sh*ttin' and pissin' on everybody"

"Y'all are sitting ducks, I'm the only goose standing"

"Stick my d!ck in a circle but I'm not fu*king around"

"Motherfu*ker I'll show you pus*yfooting
I'll kick a bi*ch in the c*nt 'til it makes a queef"

"Call me a f*ggot cause I hate a pus*y"

"Drop the anvil, these are shoes that you can't fill"

"Til then I'll drop the fu*king bombs
Like I missed the pass when I went long"

"It's like apples to oranges, peaches to plums, yeah
I'm bananas, pus*y - cut off the grapes and grow a pair"

- Cold Wind Blows

"Brain-dead rims, yeah, stupid wheels"

"And step on the receipt before I foot the bill"

"Listen garden tool, don't make me
Introduce you to my power tool:
You know the fu*king drill"

"How you douchebags feel
Knowing you're disposable, Summer's Eve, Massengill"

"I gave Bruce Wayne a Valium and said:
Settle your fu*king a.ss down I'm ready for combat, man
Get it? Calm Batman"

"Girl shake that a.ss like a donkey with Parkinson's"

"I'm an uncooked slab of beef laying on your kitchen floor
In other words I'm off the meat rack"

"Bring in two extension cords
I'mma measure my d!ck, sh*t I need 6 inches more, fu*k my d!ck's big"

"I don't need the fu*king swine flu to be a sick pig"

"I'm spiking you, like a football"

"I'm a sh*t stain on the underwear of life"

- Won't Back Down

"fu*k the world, Feed it beans
it's gassed up, if it thinks it's stoppin me"

"Like a fu*k you for Christmas, His gift is a curse"

"He's got the urge to pull his d!ck from the dirt
And fu*k the whole universe"

"Okay quit playing with the scissors and sh*t, and cut the crap"

"fu*k your fillings, instead of gettin crowned you're gettin capped"

"Cause I ain't playin around, It's a game called circle"

"It's time to exorcise these demons
These motherfu*kers are doin jumpin jacks now!"

"Haters can make like bees with no stingers, and drop dead"

"So I solemnly swear to always treat this roof, like my daughters and raise it"

"I'm strong enough to go to the club
or the corner pub, and lift the whole liquor counter up
Cause I'm raising the bar"

- Not Afraid

I'm aware your trolling btw, but i felt your dumbass deserved to be enlightened

You know you took an L when you know and quote more Em lyrics than Jay ones.


Fall back came warrior. You lost one...
 6 years ago '06        #237
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 O D said:
yes, but i also see what skin color, and eyes 3 6 mafia has.

:looks at your name:






Ahh sh*t, he got you Blue.
 6 years ago '09        #238
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 1LynguisticMind said:
it just blows my mind that em had the verses on already and it Jay still couldnt compete
Jay's verses were great...Em's were spectacular...I don't think many rappers could have beat Em on that track, regardless of when they recorded their verses...and as I said, ONE song doesn't prove anything and it's quite sad that you keep harping on this one point...
 6 years ago '09        #239
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 MasterMind715 said:
This is your Opinion and the fact that u say encore and relapse is garbages.lut bp3 and kingdom come is not shows your a jay z Stan

Jay z has 12 albums to eminem 6 eminem percentage is better


3 classics 2 bad albums and a solid album


Vs

3 classics 3 bad albums and 6 ok albums



Eminem and Jay z are both top 5 so it don't matter who u pick


And ill take eminem classics over jay z classics easily and some people argee and some don't
Encore and Relapse are garbage and are pretty hard stains on one's catalog to overcome...I said Blueprint 3 was mediocre and Kingdom Come IS a good album...

Prelude
Do U Wanna Ride
Minority Report
Trouble
Lost Ones
Beach Chair
30 Something
Kingdom Come

all great...only bad songs were Anything and I Made it and Hollywood were mediocre...

which are Jay's 'ok' albums? You can't honestly tell me Vol 1 is just 'ok'...or WTT...or American Gangster...
 6 years ago '08        #240
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 Vos said:
Jay's verses were great...Em's were spectacular...I don't think many rappers could have beat Em on that track, regardless of when they recorded their verses...and as I said, ONE song doesn't prove anything and it's quite sad that you keep harping on this one point...
according to these retards logic, TI>>>>>Em cause of touchdown
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