Players wont agree to 50/50 split of Basketball Related Income...Meeting before deadline off

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 7 years ago '04        #101
Hardkore 10 heat pts10
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 armstrong boy said:
owners r fu*kin stupid they just take 53 54% for the players call it a day they lose money its their fault overpaying players n giving coaches 3 4 year deals then fire them after a year will 10mill still owed to them owners fault for not running a sucessful business players r producing them money n are the attraction for the league
game. over!


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 7 years ago '07        #102
joshdogg26 194 heat pts194
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 r.burgundy said:
tha players did that earlier by refusin to budge off of 57%.

i hav plenty knowledge of unions which is why i corrected u.they werent formed to dictate anything.they formed to get fair treatment.

but nba isnt a regular work situation.owners are on strike here,not employees
not dictate in a literal sense, but their entire purpose is to give them representation and the right to make demands from their employers. they don't necessarily get everything that they demand, but yes, their function is to f!ght for things like better wages and working conditions, obviously.

and the union's demands rn't regular either, because they're not asking for more of anything. they're absorbing $200 million of the alleged losses without a peep, and the league wants another $80 million just for sh*ts. and what happens next time the CBA is up? owners want players to take 45%? this is a NEGOTIATION, there has to be compromise. the players have compromised, the owners have attempted to dictate, which, again, violates the very definition of collective bargaining because they r not doing so in good faith.
 7 years ago '07        #103
r.burgundy 16 heat pts16
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 joshdogg26 said:
not dictate in a literal sense, but their entire purpose is to give them representation and the right to make demands from their employers. they don't necessarily get everything that they demand, but yes, their function is to f!ght for things like better wages and working conditions, obviously.

and the union's demands rn't regular either, because they're not asking for more of anything. they're absorbing $200 million of the alleged losses without a peep, and the league wants another $80 million just for sh*ts. and what happens next time the CBA is up? owners want players to take 45%? this is a NEGOTIATION, there has to be compromise. the players have compromised, the owners have attempted to dictate, which, again, violates the very definition of collective bargaining because they r not doing so in good faith.
they arent absorbing any loss cause all they do is get paid.risk falls entirely on ownership

there was a big compromise.owners dont hav to giv them sh*t.cba is dictated by economy.economy is sh*t right now.that effects owners more than players,so if in 10 years tha economy booms again,then owners will be more likely to giv players a higher bri
 7 years ago '07        #104
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all yall f*ggots shut da fu*k up especially yall slave master raised white boys. Players are making the right moves, it ain't about now. Its about what them and everyone before them worked hard for building this league. You don't give back something you earned, that slave sh*t is over. And trust the players are well prepared for a lockout and have been for atleast 3 years. Ask even young guys like Rondo what they were doing with their money and you will see this ain't a league filled wit dummies like they want you to think.
 7 years ago '07        #105
Cambury 39 heat pts39
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 r.burgundy said:
they arent absorbing any loss cause all they do is get paid.risk falls entirely on ownership

there was a big compromise.owners dont hav to giv them sh*t.cba is dictated by economy.economy is sh*t right now.that effects owners more than players,so if in 10 years tha economy booms again,then owners will be more likely to giv players a higher bri
who said that the NBA was a sure profit. n*ggas need to reevaluate their investments. The owners real problems are themselves...reckless spending and the expanding of the NBA is hurting their overall profit.
 7 years ago '07        #106
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 Cambury said:
all yall f*ggots shut da fu*k up especially yall slave master raised white boys. Players are making the right moves, it ain't about now. Its about what them and everyone before them worked hard for building this league. You don't give back something you earned, that slave sh*t is over. And trust the players are well prepared for a lockout and have been for atleast 3 years. Ask even young guys like Rondo what they were doing with their money and you will see this ain't a league filled wit dummies like they want you to think.
despite tha fact that 70% go broke 5 years after thier career and guys like eddy curry are broke while still playin

bball is a privledge,not a right
 7 years ago '07        #107
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 Cambury said:
who said that the NBA was a sure profit. n*ggas need to reevaluate their investments. The owners real problems are themselves...reckless spending and the expanding of the NBA is hurting their overall profit.
so if its not a sure profit why on gods green earth would they give thier employees 57% of bri lol.tha reason we hav this lockout is that it hasnt been profitin yet players want tha same deal because its most profitable to them
 7 years ago '07        #108
Cambury 39 heat pts39
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 r.burgundy said:
despite tha fact that 70% go broke 5 years after thier career and guys like eddy curry are broke while still playin

bball is a privledge,not a right
this is a new breed of player. They know their worth and they are business saavy. The stars now are alot more prepared to deal with money then even 5-10 years ago.
 7 years ago '07        #109
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 r.burgundy said:
so if its not a sure profit why on gods green earth would they give thier employees 57% of bri lol.tha reason we hav this lockout is that it hasnt been profitin yet players want tha same deal because its most profitable to them
the players are their own business. You don't call Bill Gates and "employee" cuz he sits on the board and isn't the chairman. And I never saw an employee that takes in more money than an owner. From a basketball standpoint in 1 year Mark Cuban will not take home more money than Dirk becuz that money has to be reinvested.
 7 years ago '08        #110
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 StateProperty88 said:
thats not true, if they're were no owners there would be no NBA, basketball is a sport...but the NBA is a business, and to run a business you need businessmen
But lets be real here all those owners would not walk away. But all the players that matter would.
 7 years ago '05        #111
StateProperty88 34 heat pts34
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 YoungRay20 said:
But lets be real here all those owners would not walk away. But all the players that matter would.
this doesnt change the fact that without the owners there wouldnt be a league.
 7 years ago '07        #112
joshdogg26 194 heat pts194
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 r.burgundy said:
they arent absorbing any loss cause all they do is get paid.risk falls entirely on ownership

there was a big compromise.owners dont hav to giv them sh*t.cba is dictated by economy.economy is sh*t right now.that effects owners more than players,so if in 10 years tha economy booms again,then owners will be more likely to giv players a higher bri
they're absorbing plenty of risk because an everyday injury could end their careers and they depend on this income for their livelihood. not one owner in the NBA would be bankrupted if his team folded. owners admittedly from their own mouths do not view an NBA team as a typical investment. it's like a collector's item and a cool perk to them. it's a hobby. they don't give a fu*k about risk, and they still see a return on it. a "take it or leave it" offer is by definition a violation of good faith collective bargaining, as is refusing to meet and negotiate. that is not compromise. u clearly don't understand the situation, ur dumbing it down way too much.
 7 years ago '09        #113
TriniSoldier 69 heat pts69
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 StateProperty88 said:
this doesnt change the fact that without the owners there wouldnt be a league.
Plenty of big money people in the world. But not that many with top NBA level talent
 7 years ago '08        #114
Tecnique 27 heat pts27
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 YoungRay20 said:
But lets be real here all those owners would not walk away. But all the players that matter would.
Why wouldn't they?

Most of the owners dont need the NBA, they have businesses that they run that make them more then enough money.

If some of the small market owners actually are losing money I don't see why they wouldn't walk away, they are businessmen after all.



Just my 2 cents, but the players need the NBA more than the owners do.
 7 years ago '05        #115
StateProperty88 34 heat pts34
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 TriniSoldier said:
Plenty of big money people in the world. But not that many with top NBA level talent
what does this have to do with my point?
 7 years ago '07        #116
joshdogg26 194 heat pts194
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i'm just gonna leave this dan gilbert quote here...

"To me, NBA franchises are like pieces of art. There are only 30 of them. They aren't always on the market, especially a franchise that would have been such a natural fit. … If you just looked at the Cavaliers in terms of revenues, profits and balance sheets — and you paid this amount for it — people would say 'You're insane! You're nuts.' But if you look at all the tentacles, the impact on our other venues, it makes tremendous sense. We have now opened a Cleveland office [of Quicken Loans] and that's tremendously successful. Our employees love it that we're a.ssociated with the Cavs and can come to games — that helps us attract and keep better people. There are a lot of nonprofit things that can be done with pro sports. It brings an unbelievable amount of excitement."
 7 years ago '07        #117
r.burgundy 16 heat pts16
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 joshdogg26 said:
they're absorbing plenty of risk because an everyday injury could end their careers and they depend on this income for their livelihood. not one owner in the NBA would be bankrupted if his team folded. owners admittedly from their own mouths do not view an NBA team as a typical investment. it's like a collector's item and a cool perk to them. it's a hobby. they don't give a fu*k about risk, and they still see a return on it. a "take it or leave it" offer is by definition a violation of good faith collective bargaining, as is refusing to meet and negotiate. that is not compromise. u clearly don't understand the situation, ur dumbing it down way too much.
see gilbert arenas,grant hill etc etc.injury is not a risk lol.damn near any job industry deals wit injury

exactly.but they can bankrupt by constantly pumpin millions and not seein return on investment

players tried that stance 1st,and in this case,take it or leave it is good negotiation because like u said,owners can just fold tha league

owners original stance was 45% bri,now its at 50.if players wont accept 50,and owners wont go higher,their is no need to talk
 7 years ago '07        #118
KnicksLost 17 heat pts17
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 r.burgundy said:
dude there is less than 500 players in tha nba
same sh*t now count how many owners are in the league....sounds fair right??
 7 years ago '07        #119
r.burgundy 16 heat pts16
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 KnicksLost said:
same sh*t now count how many owners are in the league....sounds fair right??
u lose
 7 years ago '09        #120
TriniSoldier 69 heat pts69
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 StateProperty88 said:
what does this have to do with my point?
Owners can be replaced seamlessly. So with or without the ones we have there would be a league. The same can't be said for the players
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