Players wont agree to 50/50 split of Basketball Related Income...Meeting before deadline off

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 6 years ago '07        #81
joshdogg26 193 heat pts193
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upon thinking about this a bit, owners just gave the players a good case against them if they decertify and this goes to court. they were definitely not bargaining in good faith.

Does the Employer Have to Bargain with the Union?

An employer is required to bargain in "good faith" with the certified labor organization representing the employees. Collective bargaining can be divided into three separate areas: the duty to meet and confer; the duty to bargain in good faith; and the duty to cover certain subjects. The employer is not required to agree to any particular contract provision, no matter how reasonable or fair it appears to the union. However, refusing to meet at reasonable times; refusing to discuss grievances; refusing to discuss wages, benefits, or other mandatory subjects of bargaining; "take it or leave it" bargaining; or attempts to make deals behind the backs of the negotiating committee would be unfair labor practices.
 6 years ago '04        #82
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The Players DESERVE whatever they ask for. But they won't get it, because the owners hold all of the cards... And people laugh when you compare sports to slavery, just because n*ggas is making millions they think it's all love...

THEY OWN YOU!
 6 years ago '05        #83
kingpin222 2 heat pts
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I don't see how a 50 50 split is anything BUT fair.
 6 years ago '05        #84
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 GoldynChyld421 said:
The Players DESERVE whatever they ask for. But they won't get it, because the owners hold all of the cards... And people laugh when you compare sports to slavery, just because n*ggas is making millions they think it's all love...

THEY OWN YOU!
slavery n*gga? do you know the definition? aint no salves making millions of dollars you fu*king fool. don't degrade the history of our ancestors because some ball players want to make more money than their owners.
 6 years ago '04        #85
GoldynChyld421 
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 kingpin222 said:
slavery n*gga? do you know the definition? aint no salves making millions of dollars you fu*king fool. don't degrade the history of our ancestors because some ball players want to make more money than their owners.
You're missing the point FOOL... They own them, and they're making WAY more than the players off the players hard work... Who's bringing a.sses to them seats? You see how the sh*t is unbalanced? Probably not, because you're not that bright...

Keep thinking that money = freedom and you'll never see the oppression you're under either... Oh well....
 6 years ago '08        #86
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 kingpin222 said:
I don't see how a 50 50 split is anything BUT fair.
its not about fair or unfair.

Its dropping from 57% to 50% as opposed to dropping from 57% to 52%.
 6 years ago '08        #87
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 xeduran said:
No they are not. Sadly normal working people will be losing a lot of money as well. The owners are just going to wait it out though. Players can talk all they want, but they are very stupid when it comes to money for the most part. That is just a fact. Very few of them are willing to play overseas for pretty much peanuts compared to what they can make here. A lot of players live check to check. They are going to feel the pressure much sooner than the owners.
They have to cave in now with Veterans willing to give them money. IF the Nba is really serious about 50/50 and not wanting talk unless they agree.....Well I still think the owners ultimate goal is get the BRI in their favor. If its anyone's favor it should be in the players favor because they put their bodies on the line.

If it gets the point where the owners have to show how and where they're losing money. I hope owners aren't telling white lies.
 6 years ago '05        #88
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 YoungRay20 said:

No players no Nba
You can't say No owners No Nba

Because they're will always be someone ready to investment and owners happy with the situation they're in.

I'm sure most of those teams losing money didn't make the right decision all the time and they've mad some costly decisions.
thats not true, if they're were no owners there would be no NBA, basketball is a sport...but the NBA is a business, and to run a business you need businessmen
 6 years ago '04        #89
1nonly 15 heat pts15
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I really wish people would stop comparing athletes to regular 9-5s. It's not even close.

And the bottom line is, if you feel you worth something, you should go out and f!ght for it. That's what the NBA players are doing now.

Doesn't matter if it's millions or 25 cents more an hour.
 6 years ago '05        #90
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 Fly 2ndComing said:





pretty long read by BX standards in the link
tricky but thats only for this season..the settlement would be for years to come..plus revenues will jump with new tv deals coming..SOOO in actually this year they might lose money or break even but for the next 10 years or so they will be gettin what they fought for
 10-08-2011, 10:43 AM         #91
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 r.burgundy said:
exactly.this dude dedos is an idiot.he cant wrap his head around tha fact that bball players are employees and dont dictate sh*t
that kid dedos is definitely retarded.
 6 years ago '04        #92
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 VinceTran said:
If you guys think people should get paid 15 million dollars to play basketball, you're all delusional.

15 million dollars to play basketball. Seriously, antoine walker got 100 million dollar contract. If you guys don't think players are overrated, I don't know who is.

Owners are greedy?? THEY'RE BILLIONAIRES. Why the hell do they need to make another 50 million dollars in revenue??? They just don't want losses. You know paul allen probably makes more than 15 million in interest a month. You guys are idiots to think Players are the one. IT'S THE TEAM FUKIN MORONS. Lakers/bulls/Knicks/celtics. HOW MANY GREAT PLAYERS HAVE PLAYED AND LEFT?? IF it was all about the players, then the league would of died a long time ago when MJ left. It's about the team and prestige.

If it was all about the players, they would start a league. If the players have all the players, why are they in this situation? The players need the NBA. The nba will always have players. How many kids in high school are trying to get into the nba?? There are always gonna be great basketball players. Players are replaceable, NBA and their team legacies are not. MORONS.
I hate this argument more than anything. They get paid what they do because few people can play at the level they play at. Because people pay money to go watch them play or sit at home in front of a TV or computer to see what they do.

That's why they get what they get get paid.

Nobody is going to watch you play basketball on TV or buy tickets to watch you ball.
 6 years ago '09        #93
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 VinceTran said:
Before u guys bi*ch about owners greed, walk into ur job and ask for a raise equaling 50-50 split of revenue. Hey bosses dont do anything ? Why should u work for 10 dollars an hour.

I agree the players arent the reason why the salaries are high. The majority of owners are losing money. Why not sign for 50-50 for a couple seasons. Nobody in the nba is going to make anything near their nba salaries. Players will always lose . Same reason why people work for minimum wage. Owners of businesses have more money then the employees, they got power. Basketball used to be about passion and heart, now its about money. Dumb, i got football
We talking about a whole different situation u can't compare the nba with a regular office job.
 6 years ago '09        #94
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This is bullsh*t anyway stern is all about making the extra money I mean he already fu*ked the league up with all the new rules and making sh*t soft and thhen he goes and fines players for looking at the refs lmao
 6 years ago '07        #95
joshdogg26 193 heat pts193
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 Cobra Strike said:
that kid dedos is definitely retarded.
the entire purpose of unions existing and being legal in the united states is so that employees can "dictate sh*t"

 6 years ago '07        #96
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 joshdogg26 said:
the entire purpose of unions existing and being legal in the united states is so that employees can "dictate sh*t"

thats not tha purpose of unions lmao.unions were formed to protect workers rights,not dictate anything
 6 years ago '07        #97
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 r.burgundy said:
thats not tha purpose of unions lmao.unions were formed to protect workers rights,not dictate anything
it's not actually dictating if ur bargaining in good faith, which is the entire purpose. dictating is the owners literally saying u can only meet if u accept our terms, otherwise no season. but yes, most strikes, etc. r centered around employees demanding higher wages.

u'd have to have zero knowledge of unions or the collective bargaining process to not understand that.

not to mention, the players rn't even demanding higher wages, they're agreeing to meet the owners MORE than halfway, and the owners r saying my way or the highway, which violates the union's right to bargain in good faith, which is illegal.


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 6 years ago '07        #98
r.burgundy 16 heat pts16
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 1nonly said:
I hate this argument more than anything. They get paid what they do because few people can play at the level they play at. Because people pay money to go watch them play or sit at home in front of a TV or computer to see what they do.

That's why they get what they get get paid.

Nobody is going to watch you play basketball on TV or buy tickets to watch you ball.
thats about as false as it gets.few people can play at a lebron,kobe,or dwight level.what those athletes special isnt just skill but size.they are imposing.but thats not tha case for 98% of tha league.any good bball player can play at a luke walton or shannon brown level.true fans watch teams,not players.knicks havent seen a winnin season in 10 years and tha garden was still packed

people watch hs bball and college all tha time on tv and march madness usually produces higher ratings than playoffs
 6 years ago '07        #99
r.burgundy 16 heat pts16
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 joshdogg26 said:
it's not actually dictating if ur bargaining in good faith, which is the entire purpose. dictating is the owners literally saying u can only meet if u accept our terms, otherwise no season. but yes, most strikes, etc. r centered around employees demanding higher wages.

u'd have to have zero knowledge of unions or the collective bargaining process to not understand that.
tha players did that earlier by refusin to budge off of 57%.

i hav plenty knowledge of unions which is why i corrected u.they werent formed to dictate anything.they formed to get fair treatment.

but nba isnt a regular work situation.owners are on strike here,not employees
 6 years ago '07        #100
KnicksLost 17 heat pts17
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 VinceTran said:
Before u guys bi*ch about owners greed, walk into ur job and ask for a raise equaling 50-50 split of revenue. Hey bosses dont do anything ? Why should u work for 10 dollars an hour.

I agree the players arent the reason why the salaries are high. The majority of owners are losing money. Why not sign for 50-50 for a couple seasons. Nobody in the nba is going to make anything near their nba salaries. Players will always lose . Same reason why people work for minimum wage. Owners of businesses have more money then the employees, they got power. Basketball used to be about passion and heart, now its about money. Dumb, i got football
that 50 is being split amongst thousands of players...owners pocket the tv money
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