Players wont agree to 50/50 split of Basketball Related Income...Meeting before deadline off

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 6 years ago '04        #41
haff3131 1 heat pts
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this whole situation is funny..i read someone said something like the players are what sells? the knicks havent had a marquee guy in years and sold out that arena day in and day out, and have a crazy tv deal. just now we got the marquee players and the only thing that will change are jersey sales. long after carmelo and stoudemire are gone, the garden will sell out.

the nba isnt the only place with basketball talent. there are dudes overseas who are probably better than 75% of the players in the nba right now. there will ALWAYS be people willing to play basketball for the league minimum, let alone millions a year. without these owners buying teams, building arenas, marketing everything, there would be no d wade. the nba was around long before these guys and itll be around long after.

there might be 10 players in the nba deserving of a lot of money, simply because theyve won championships and give it all they got. as marketable as lebron is, hes not one of them. at this point hes a guy who hasnt brought a championship anywhere. yeah he brings in plenty of marketing money and jersey sales, but the jerseys have the TEAM name on them, which the owners own. they get a percentage, which they should, but its not like the owners get a percentage of his nike money even tho he plays for their team.

the funny thing is i would love to see how any of these players would act if the roles were switched and one of them was the owner. as a fan i hope they do away with guaranteed contracts, especially as a knicks fan. im tired of watching guys receive huge contracts only to play at 70% up until that contract year. there should be some guaranteed money and a ton of incentive based stuff. you want more money? win.
 6 years ago '06        #42
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 Rubix said:
it IS the same thing. just because players don't walk into an establishment with a clock in card doesn't make this system any different from any other system of employment. this is capitalism.


it's greed from both sides.
 r.burgundy said:
it doesnt matter who does what.an employees job in most cases is to generate revenue.and if your an employee,u do not dictate terms to your boss.see 2 and 1/2 men
in tha world of nba,who brings what is very debateable,and is a big issue.lebron james puts people in seats,udonis haslem doesnt.every team does not hav a marquee draw.

The relationship between pro sports unions and pro team owners is closer to a partnership than it is an employee/employer relationship. Pro sports in the USA work as a bilateral monopoly. Pro athletes are specialized labor who are members of players union. The players union is the only supply of labor for the sports league, so it is a monopoly. The sports league is the dominant buyer of the players' services, so it is a monopsonist. The prices and services in a bilateral monopoly are negotiated between the monopolist(the union) and the monopsonist(the league). Limits on the minimum salary that players can receive, salary caps etc. are set in bargaining. They reach a middle ground between what the league wants as a buyer and the Union wants as a seller.


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 6 years ago '07        #43
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 VinceTran;20849632[B said:
]Before u guys bi*ch about owners greed, walk into ur job and ask for a raise equaling 50-50 split of revenue[/B]. Hey bosses dont do anything ? Why should u work for 10 dollars an hour.

I agree the players arent the reason why the salaries are high. The majority of owners are losing money. Why not sign for 50-50 for a couple seasons. Nobody in the nba is going to make anything near their nba salaries. Players will always lose . Same reason why people work for minimum wage. Owners of businesses have more money then the employees, they got power. Basketball used to be about passion and heart, now its about money. Dumb, i got football
such a stupid comment......... not the same thing
 6 years ago '07        #44
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 JOHNSNAKE06 said:
The relationship between pro sports unions and pro team owners is closer to a partnership than it is an employee/employer relationship. Pro sports in the USA work as a bilateral monopoly. Pro athletes are specialized labor who are members of players union. The players union is the only supply of labor for the sports league, so it is a monopoly. The sports league is the dominant buyer of the players' services, so it is a monopsonist. The prices and services in a bilateral monopoly are negotiated between the monopolist(the union) and the monopsonist(the league). Limits on the minimum salary that players can receive, salary caps etc. are set in bargaining. They reach a middle ground between what the league wants as a buyer and the Union wants as a seller.
players want to make tha relationship a partnership but problem is that they share in none of tha risk.they only get reward.so thats a bad deal for owners,and thus not a partnership

tha players union isnt a union in classic sense lol.and nba is far from a monopoly as their are plenty of places to make income from ball
 6 years ago '06        #45
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sh*t is funny in a sadisitc way cause the above averge fan doesn't want to see thier team handicaped by n*ggas cashing in on long term contracts and then packing it in with no repercussions......... most teams can relate to this.... U can say well " don't pay theses cats" but u have to counter act things to some extent... basicly, If your a up and coming team U have to over pay to some extent, to show u mean biz...... owners aren't even f!ghting tha sh*t anymore so both sides and the fans, who want a better product take n L......
 6 years ago '04        #46
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yo hold the fu*k up....they want prenegotiations complete before negotiations....this is some Palestine vs Israel sh*t....the players already said they will not give up anymore land until the owners sit down and negotiate peace...I mean an end to the lockout....Stern is Palestine, this is gross sh*t...that's not how negotiations work is it????..
 10-08-2011, 02:30 AM         #47
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Jesus Christ I can't with these owners.....

"Sources told ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard that the union asked for the meeting, and the owners agreed -- on the condition the players agree to a 50-50 split of basketball-related income. When the union rejected that stance, the owners said there was no need to meet, the sources said."


The whole point of the meeting was to negotiate you arrogant c*cksuckers!
 6 years ago '06        #48
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 r.burgundy said:
players want to make tha relationship a partnership but problem is that they share in none of tha risk.they only get reward.so thats a bad deal for owners,and thus not a partnership

tha players union isnt a union in classic sense lol.and nba is far from a monopoly as their are plenty of places to make income from ball
I didn't say that it is a partnership, I said that it is closer to a partnership than it is to the typical employer/employee relationship. I never said the NBA was a monopoly, I said it was a monopsony, meaning that it is the dominant buyer in the market. The players union is the monopoly. Every player that plays in the NBA is a member of the union, making it the sole seller of services.


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 6 years ago '07        #49
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Someone help me out here, I ain't been reading too deep into this sh*t because the thought of no basketball sucks..

So when they are talking about 50 percent split versus 53 percent for the players.. Is that translating into a higher salary cap, higher numbers in a "max deal", or what? How are players gonna see that extra percentage?
 6 years ago '11        #50
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Owners can "Afford" to miss as much as time as they please, but the players cant. In the end, the players will budge. Simple as that.
 10-08-2011, 03:03 AM         #51
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 armstrong boy said:
owners r fu*kin stupid they just take 53 54% for the players call it a day they lose money its their fault overpaying players n giving coaches 3 4 year deals then fire them after a year will 10mill still owed to them owners fault for not running a sucessful business players r producing them money n are the attraction for the league
This n*gga has all these posts on boxden and hasnt used a period once in his life......................................ever
 10-08-2011, 03:16 AM         #52
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 JOHNSNAKE06 said:
Every employee generates money for their employer, but the guy at McDonalds isn't what brings people into McDonalds. The Big Mac is the product, not it's employees. McDonalds loses money if the products on the menu become inferior. In pro sports the athletes are what brings the people in, if they are inferior the company loses money. The owners need the players and vice versa, but the owners always have the leverage in these situations. It's because they have more money and can absorb the lose of an entire season.
This mentality has to stop. I have stated several times on here the following. There are only a handful of people on this planet who can truly innovate and create a new design in their field. Whether it be a brand new engine, cpu, operating system, etc. These same people get paid peanuts compared to their owners/stock holders. These people make the product to the same extent that NBA players make the product. In fact, these people are more important to the world than NBA players. NBA is just a game when it comes down to it. Innovators push technology forward and make lasting impacts on the world, yet they do not get paid ridiculous amounts of money like NBA players.

The players are being greedy plain and simple. To want even 50% when they are taking 0 risk money wise is completely ridiculous. Are they buying teams? Investing their own money in teams? When a team fails and has to move, are they hurt financially?
 6 years ago '07        #53
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 JOHNSNAKE06 said:
I didn't say that it is a partnership, I said that it is closer to a partnership than it is to the typical employer/employee relationship. I never said the NBA was a monopoly, I said it was a monopsony, meaning that it is the dominant buyer in the market. The players union is the monopoly. Every player that plays in the NBA is a member of the union, making it the sole seller of services.
no it isnt.and thats why we find ourselves here.players overvalue their worth.when things are goin smooth u may hav a point,but when things break down u see it for tha regular relationship it really is.boss vs employee

their is no dominant buyer.players arent bein brought and sold.and tha union isnt sellin anything as almost every player comes into tha as an amatuer till they sign a contract.implying that tha union is a seller is sayin that they can set a market value,which they cant
 6 years ago '07        #54
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 Phicmagic said:
This n*gga has all these posts on boxden and hasnt used a period once in his life......................................ever
 6 years ago '06        #55
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[QUOTE=VinceTran;20849632]Before u guys bi*ch about owners greed, walk into ur job and ask for a raise equaling 50-50 split of revenue. Hey bosses dont do anything ? Why should u work for 10 dollars an hour.

Yeah but you could also make the argument that you wouldn't just accept it if your boss demanded you to take a 33% pay reduction because he/she is losing money.
 10-08-2011, 03:24 AM         #56
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[quote=z2daay;20850871]
 VinceTran said:
Before u guys bi*ch about owners greed, walk into ur job and ask for a raise equaling 50-50 split of revenue. Hey bosses dont do anything ? Why should u work for 10 dollars an hour.

Yeah but you could also make the argument that you wouldn't just accept it if your boss demanded you to take a 33% pay reduction because he/she is losing money.
Yes you would in the business world. Where have you been? A lot of places have cut the pay of their employees due to economic conditions. If you do not like it, you try to find another job. The owners have the power here.
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[quote=z2daay;20850871]
 VinceTran said:
Before u guys bi*ch about owners greed, walk into ur job and ask for a raise equaling 50-50 split of revenue. Hey bosses dont do anything ? Why should u work for 10 dollars an hour.

Yeah but you could also make the argument that you wouldn't just accept it if your boss demanded you to take a 33% pay reduction because he/she is losing money.
in tha real world,if boss is losin money,your not gonna get tha option to take a pay cut.your gonna get fired
 10-08-2011, 03:27 AM         #58
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Jonathan Ive, the man behind the Iphone/Ipad/Ipod/iMAc/Ieverything basically, makes about $2 million a year in salary. Apple makes around $3 billion a quarter minimum in net revenue. So Jonathan Ive makes about 0.067% of what the company makes. Yet NBA players are underpaid right?

You want to root for the players, fine. But do not act like they are the only people in this world with extraordinary irreplaceable talent making a lot of money for their owners.
 6 years ago '10        #59
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 6 years ago '04        #60
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 xeduran said:
Jonathan Ive, the man behind the Iphone/Ipad/Ipod/iMAc/Ieverything basically, makes about $2 million a year in salary. Apple makes around $3 billion a quarter minimum in net revenue. So Jonathan Ive makes about 0.067% of what the company makes. Yet NBA players are underpaid right?

You want to root for the players, fine. But do not act like they are the only people in this world with extraordinary irreplaceable talent making a lot of money for their owners.
thank you. all of us want a season, and obviously more people can relate to the players than the owners, since most players come from inner cities and all that. but the fact remains they are employees, and possess skills that lots of people have. obviously not the same caliber as a kobe bryant, but there are a lot of players that never had the success they shouldve had just because they werent in the right situation. how many players have come to the knicks, and played like sh*t, and moved on to other situations and became all stars? not everyone gets the chances to go to other teams and be given a shot. it wont be long before teams overseas arent just being competitive with us, theyll be beating us.

at the end of the day they are basketball players. every college in the country has them. its not like they are irreplaceable. they make millions of dollars playing a game, yet every day we read about players going bankrupt. its obvious most players dont know the first thing about keeping and doing the right thing with their own money, how in the world can they possibly tell owners, who are usually billionaires, whats fair when it comes to money? if lebron plays like sh*t next season, and his team gets knocked out in the first round, and miami doesnt sell out every game, does he lose any money? nope. but the owner sure will. as a ball player you can literally sign a big deal and go half a.ssed the rest of your career without any ramifications basically. i dont fault players for wanting to get that money, but they need to be realistic.
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