Did 'The Carter 4' Leak Kill Wayne's Chance At Crushing 'The Throne'?

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 6 years ago '11        #81
pbballin 20 heat pts20
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album is wack, but it will still sell because of his "fans" that love all them ym cats. With that being said, I wouldn't be surprised if it sold more than WTT (even tho WTT >>>>>>>>>>> tc4) but if numbers added from the itunes with albums, nahhh it wouldn't be close
 08-25-2011, 11:36 AM         #82
Sam Rothstein  OP
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And music sales don't mean anything to Wayne anymore, he's probably investing in marijuana.
 6 years ago '07        #83
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 L-E-Dub bi*ch said:
Look at all the camel warriors

When C4 outsells WTT still they gon be mad

As yall idol and god says Men Lie, Women Lie, Numbers Dont
yeah and there is no way wayne will touch eminems first week numbers

jay and ye cant even sell ems first weeks numbers in two weeks, not to mention ems album leaked 2 weeks before it dropped, and watch the thorne didnt leak....

so....


whos really on the thorne mayne? the white boy
 08-25-2011, 11:46 AM         #84
Millerionaire87  OP
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 L-E-Dub bi*ch said:
Look at all the camel warriors

When C4 outsells WTT still they gon be mad

As yall idol and god says Men Lie, Women Lie, Numbers Dont
 08-25-2011, 11:51 AM         #85
TUNES707  OP
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ya'll really dont like wayne at all...
 6 years ago '08        #86
Gmengfx 75 heat pts75
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damn carter 4 is soo disappointing..i dont even really like wayne that much. didnt really like carter 3 that much but i can tell it was a good album..and well put together

this seems like a bunch of random tracks thrown together. There is no order, no constant theme. Just boring as sh*t and could be mistaken for a mixtape.

Its just crazy how bad albums are nowadays. WTT was just retarded. just 2 huge egos going back and fourth..carter 4 sux..recovering was just..laughable..and im a eminem fan..ferarri boys..just wack as sh*t..

and i like all the artist above so im not some underground hip hop head..

rolling papers >> carter 4..rolling papers may of been a lil soft..but the race..rooftops..wake up were all better then anything on any of these albums


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 6 years ago '06        #87
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carter 3 leaked, and did a million first week, why would it mess up this one? this is will be close to WTT though, I know a ton of people who didn't even know Carter 4 was coming out
 6 years ago '08        #88
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It wasn't gonna crush the throne anyway sales wise or quality wise
 6 years ago '11        #89
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 s7venwords said:
I compare Jay to B.I.G. .


:wtf::nickib oo:
 6 years ago '05        #90
LVuittonDon4EVA 8 heat pts
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 KingNick305 said:
SMFH, Did you not read the production list you moron. Pete rock, no id, neptunes, ect need zero help from kanyes wack a.ss Have you ever heard these names??? or are you just some 18 year old punk that knows nothing about hip hop and your just on the wagon riding kanyes and wayne d!ck like all these other 18 year old f*ggots cause that all yall know .
Sit down new guy.

“No Church in the Wild” feat. Frank Ocean
(K. West, S. Carter, C. Njapa, M. Dean, F. Ocean, G. Wright, J. Loudermilk, P. Manzanera. J. Brown, J. Roach)
Please Gimme My Publishing|EMI Blackwood Music Inc. (BMI)/EMI April Music, Inc.|Carter Boys Music (ASCAP)/Papa George Music (BMI)/EMI Blackwood Music (BMI)/Bug Music|Heavens Research (BMI)/Blue Mountain Music Ltd. o/b/o Catherine’s Peak Music (BMI)/Universal Songs of PolyGram International, Inc./Universal Cedarwood Publishing (BMI)/Universal Music-MGB Songs (ASCAP)/Dynatone Publishing Co. (BMI)/Intersong-USA (ASCAP)
Produced by Kanye West for Very Good Beats/Hip Hop since 1978 and 88-Keys for Keys Open Doors, LLC

“Lift Off” feat. Beyoncé
(K. West, S. Carter, J. Bhasker, M. Dean, S. Samuel)
Please Gimme My Publishing|EMI Blackwood Music Inc. (BMI)/EMI April Music, Inc./Carter Boys Music (ASCAP)/Way Above Music (BMI)|Sony ATV Songs LLC (BMI)/Papa George Music (BMI)/SPZ Music Inc. (BMI)
Produced by Kanye West for Very Good Beats/Hip Hop since 1978, Jeff Bhasker, and Mike Dean for Dean’s List Productions
Additional Production by Q Tip and Don Jazzy

Recorded by Noah Goldstein at Barford Estate, Sydney, AU
Additional programming by LMFAO, Anthony Kilhoffer and Hit-Boy for Very Good Beats
Mixed by Noah Goldstein, Mike Dean, LMFAO and Anthony Kilhoffer at (The Mercer) Hotel, New York
Additional vocals: Seal, Mr Hudson, Don Jazzy, Bankulli and Ricardo Louis
Beyoncé appears courtesy of Columbia Records
Seal appears courtesy of Warner Bros. Records
[NFP: Kanye West, Shawn Carter, Jeff Bhasker, Mike Dean, Seal Henry Olusegun Olumide Adeola Samuel]

“n*ggas in Paris”
(K. West, S. Carter, C. Hollis, M. Dean, W. A. Donaldson)
Please Gimme My Publishing|EMI Blackwood Music Inc. (BMI)/EMI April Music, Inc.|Carter Boys Music (ASCAP)/Hit-Boy Music/U Can’t Teach Bein the shhh/Songs of Universal (BMI)/Papa George Music (BMI)/Unichappell Music, Inc. (BMI)
Produced by Hit-Boy for Hit-Boy Music Inc./Very Good Beats and Kanye West for Very Good Beats/Hip Hop since 1978
Co-Produced by Mike Dean for Dean’s List Productions

Additional Production by Anthony Kilhoffer
Recorded by Noah Goldstein at Le Meurice, Paris, France
Mixed by Mike Dean for Dean’s List Productions and Anthony Kilhoffer at (The Mercer) Hotel, New York
[NFP: Kanye West, Shawn Carter, Chauncey Hollis, Mike Dean, W. A. Donaldson]

“Otis” feat. Otis Redding
(K. West, S. Carter, H. Woods, J. Campbell, R. Connelly, K. Robinson, R. Hammond, J. Brown, J. Roach)
Please Gimme My Publishing|EMI Blackwood Music Inc. (BMI)/EMI April Music, Inc.|Carter Boys Music (ASCAP)/EMI Robbins Catalog Inc. (ASCAP)/BMG Gold Songs/Hot Buttermilk Music, Inc. (ASCAP)/BMG Platinum Songs/First Priority Music (BMI)/Tufamerica Inc. d/b/a Swing Beat Songs (BMI)/Dynatone Publishing Co. (BMI)/Intersong-USA, Inc. (ASCAP)
Produced by Kanye West for Very Good Beats/Hip Hop since 1978
Recorded by Noah Goldstein at (The Mercer) Hotel, New York
Mixed by Anthony Kilhoffer at (The Mercer) Hotel, New York
[NFP: Kanye West, Shawn Carter, Harry Woods, Jimmy Campbell, Reg Connelly, Kirk Robinson, Roy Hammond, James Brown, Joseph Roach]

“Gotta Have It”
(K. West, S. Carter, P. Williams, J. Brown, J. Roach, F. Wesley, T. Pinckney)
Please Gimme My Publishing|EMI Blackwood Music, Inc. (BMI)/EMI April Music, Inc./Carter Boys Music (ASCAP)/More Water From Nazareth Publishing, Inc./EMI April Music, Inc. (ASCAP)/Dynatone Publishing Co. (BMI)/Intersong-USA, Inc. (ASCAP)/Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Music Inc./Donna Dijon Music Publications/Unichappell Music, Inc. (BMI)
Produced by The Neptunes
Co-Produced by Kanye West for Very Good Beats/Hip Hop since 1978

Recorded by Noah Goldstein at Tribeca Grand Hotel, NYC and (The Mercer) Hotel, New York
Mixed by Noah Goldstein and Mike Dean for Dean’s List Productions at (The Mercer) Hotel, New York
Additional vocals: Kid Cudi
Kid Cudi appears courtesy of Universal Motown Records
[NFP: Kanye West, Shawn Carter, Pharrell Williams, James Brown, Joseph Roach, Tony Pinckney, Fred Wesley]

“New Day”
(K. West, S. Carter, R. Diggs, M. Dean, L. Bricusse, A. Newley)
Please Gimme My Publishing|EMI Blackwood Music Inc. (BMI)/EMI April Music, Inc.|Carter Boys Music (ASCAP)/Ramecca Music|Universal Music-Careers Publishing (BMI)/Papa George Music (BMI)/Richmond Organization o/b/o Musical Comedy Productions (BMI)
Produced by The RZA, Kanye West for Very Good Beats/Hip Hop since 1978 and Mike Dean for Dean’s List Productions
Additional production by Ken Lewis
Recorded by Noah Goldstein at Le Meurice, Paris, France and Tribeca Grand, NYC
Mixed by Mike Dean for Dean’s List Productions at (The Mercer) Hotel, New York
Additional creative input: DJ Magnum
[NFP: Kanye West, Shawn Carter, Robert Diggs, Mike Dean, Leslie Bricusse, Anthony Newley]

“That’s My bi*ch”
(K. West, S. Carter, K. Fareed, J. Vernon, J. Brown, B. Byrd, R. Lenhoff, J. Lordan)
Please Gimme My Publishing|EMI Blackwood Music Inc. (BMI)/EMI April Music, Inc.|Carter Boys Music (ASCAP)/Universal Music-Z Tunes (ASCAP)/April Base Publishing|Chrysalis Music (ASCAP)/Crited Music, Inc. (BMI). All rights administed by Unichappell Music, Inc. (BMI)/Regent Music Corp. (BMI)
Produced by Q-Tip and Kanye West for Very Good Beats/Hip Hop since 1978
Additional Production by Jeff Bhasker

Recorded by Andrew Dawson, Mike Dean for Dean’s List Productions and Anthony Kilhoffer at Avex Recording Studio, Honolulu, HI
Assisted by Gaylord Holomalia and Christian Mochizuki
Mixed by Q-Tip and Blair Wells at MSR Studios, NYC
Assistant Engineer: Chris Soper
Additional vocals: Ely Jackson, Connie Mitchell and Justin Vernon
Justin Vernon appears courtesy of Jagjaguwar Records
[NFP: Kanye West, Shawn Carter, Kamaal Fareed, Justin Vernon, James Brown, Bobby Byrd, Ronald Lenhoff, Jeremiah Lordan]

“Who Gon Stop Me”
(K. West, S. Carter, S. Joseph, M. Dean, J. Kierkegaard)
Please Gimme My Publishing|EMI Blackwood Music, Inc. (BMI)/EMI April Music, Inc.|Carter Boys Music (ASCAP)/Sham Joseph Publishing Designee (BMI)/Papa George Music (BMI)/Sony/ATV Music Publishing (UK) Ltd. (PRS)
Produced by Sham “Sak Pase” Joseph and Kanye West for Very Good Beats/Hip Hop since 1978
Additional Production by Mike Dean for Dean’s List Productions
Recorded by Noah Goldstein at (The Mercer) Hotel, New York
Mixed by Mike Dean for Dean’s List Productions at (The Mercer) Hotel, New York
Additional vocals: Mr Hudson
[NFP: Kanye West, Shawn Carter, Shama E. Joseph, Mike Dean, Joshua Kierkegaard]

“murder to Excellence”
(K. West, S. Carter, K. Dean, L. Griffin Jr., S. Mescudi, Q. Jones, H. Mason Jr., J. Rosenbaum, C. Semenya, B. Summers, M. Modorcea, G. Modorcea)
Please Gimme My Publishing|EMI Blackwood Music Inc. (BMI)/EMI April Music, Inc./Carter Boys Music (ASCAP)/Swizz Beats|Universal Tunes, a division of Songs of Universal (SESAC)/Vohndee’s Soul Music Publishing (ASCAP)/Papa George Music (BMI)/ Elsie’s Baby Boy|Kobalt Songs Music Publishing (ASCAP)/Universal Music Corp. o/b/o Warner Olive Music LLC (ASCAP)/Songs of Universal, Inc. o/b/o Warner-Barham Music LLC (BMI)/Imagem Sounds (ASCAP)
Produced by Swizz Beatz and S1 for Soul Kontrollaz Productions/Very Good Beats
Recorded by Noah Goldstein at Real World Studios, Wiltshire, UK

Assisted by Mat Arnold
Mixed by Anthony Kilhoffer at (The Mercer) Hotel, New York
Additional vocals: Kid Cudi
Kid Cudi appears courtesy of Universal Motown Records
[NFP: Kanye West, Shawn Carter, Kasseem Dean, Larry D. Griffin Jr., Scott Mescudi, Quincy Jones, Harvey Mason Jr. Joel Rosenbaum, Caiphus Semenya, Bill Summers, Mihaela Modorcea, Gabriela Modorcea]

“Welcome to the Jungle”
(K. West, S. Carter, K. Dean, M. Dean)
Please Gimme My Publishing|EMI Blackwood Music, Inc. (BMI)/EMI April Music, Inc.|Carter Boys Music (ASCAP)/Swizz Beats|Universal Tunes, a division of Songs of Universal (SESAC)/Papa George Music (BMI)
Produced by Swizz Beatz for Swizz Beatz Productions
Co-Produced by Mike Dean for Dean’s List Productions

Additional production by Ken Lewis
Recorded by Noah Goldstein at Tribeca Grand Hotel, NYC and (The Mercer) Hotel, New York
Mixed by Mike Dean for Dean’s List Productions at (The Mercer) Hotel, New York
Additional vocals: Swizz Beatz, Acapella Soul
[NFP: Kanye West, Shawn Carter, Kasseem Dean, Mike Dean]

“Made in America” feat. Frank Ocean
(K. West, S. Carter, S. Joseph, F. Ocean)
Please Gimme My Publishing|EMI Blackwood Music Inc. (BMI)/EMI April Music, Inc.|Carter Boys Music (ASCAP)/Sham Joseph Publishing Designee (BMI)/Bug Music|Heavens Research (BMI)
Produced by Sham “Sak Pase” Joseph
Additional Production by Mike Dean for Dean’s List Productions

Recorded by Noah Goldstein at (The Mercer) Hotel, New York
Mixed by Mike Dean for Dean’s List Productions and Anthony Kilhoffer at (The Mercer) Hotel, New York
Violin: Laura Escudé
[NFP: Kanye West, Shawn Carter, Shama E. Joseph, Frank Ocean]

“Why I Love You” feat. Mr Hudson
(K. West, S. Carter, M. Dean, P. Cerboneschi, H. Blanc-Francard, T. Camillo, M. Sawyer)
Please Gimme My Publishing|EMI Blackwood Music Inc. (BMI)/EMI April Music, Inc./Carter Boys Music (ASCAP)/Papa George Music (BMI)/EMI Unart Catalog Inc. (BMI)/Kama Sutra Music, Inc. (BMI)/Because Editions o/b/o itself, Headbangers Publishing, Motor Bass and Love Supreme
Produced by Mike Dean for Dean’s List Productions and Kanye West for Very Good Beats/Hip Hop since 1978
Recorded by Noah Goldstein at Real World Studios, Wiltshire, UK and Barford Estate, Sydney, AU
Assisted by Mat Arnold
Mixed by Mike Dean for Dean’s List Productions and Anthony Kilhoffer at (The Mercer) Hotel, New York
Cello: Chris “Hitchcock” Chorney
Cello arranged by Mike Dean
[NFP: Kanye West, Shawn Carter, Mike Dean, Philippe Cerboneschi, Hubert Blanc-Francard, Tony Camillo, Mary Sawyer]

“Illest Motherfu*ker Alive”
(K. West, S. Carter, M. Dean, J. Luellen, S. Mescudi)
Please Gimme My Publishing|EMI Blackwood Music Inc. (BMI)/EMI April Music, Inc./Carter Boys Music (ASCAP)/Papa George Music (BMI)/Southside Publishing Designee|Songs of Mizay (BMI)/Elsie’s Baby Boy|Kobalt Songs Music Publishing (ASCAP)
Produced by Southside for Mizay Entertainment, Kanye West for Very Good Beats/Hip Hop since 1978 and Mike Dean for Dean’s List Productions
Recorded by Noah Goldstein at Real World Studios, Wiltshire, UK
Assisted by Mat Arnold
Mixed by Mike Dean for Dean’s List Productions at (The Mercer) Hotel, New York
Cello: Chris “Hitchcock” Chorney
Cello arranged by Mike Dean
Additional vocals: Kid Cudi, Bankulli and Aude Cardona
Kid Cudi appears courtesy of Universal Motown Records
[NFP: Kanye West, Shawn Carter, Mike Dean, Joshua “Southside” Luellen, Scott Mescudi]

“H•A•M”
(K. West, S. Carter, L. Lewis, M. Dean)
Please Gimme My Publishing|EMI Blackwood Music Inc. (BMI)/EMI April Music, Inc./Carter Boys Music (ASCAP)/Kimani/Mizay Entertainment, Inc./Warner-Tamerlane Publishing Corp. (BMI)/Copyright Control
Produced by Lexus “Lex Luger” Lewis for Mizay Entertainment, Inc.
Co-Produced by Kanye West for Very Good Beats/Hip Hop since 1978

Additional Production by Mike Dean for Dean’s List Productions
Recorded by Noah Goldstein at Real World Studios, Wiltshire, UK and (The Mercer) Hotel, New York
Assisted by Mat Arnold
Mixed by Mike Dean for Dean’s List Productions at (The Mercer) Hotel, New York
Cello: Christopher “Hitchcock” Chorney
Cello arranged by Mike Dean
Additional vocals by Aude Cardona and Jacob Lewis Smith
Creative Direction: Riccardo Tisci
[NFP: Kanye West, Shawn Carter, Lexus Arnel Lewis, Michael Dean]

“Primetime”
(K. West, S. Carter, E. Wilson, R. Simmons, L. Smith, M. Reid)
Please Gimme My Publishing|EMI Blackwood Music Inc. (BMI)/EMI April Music, Inc.|Carter Boys Music (ASCAP)/Let The Story Begin Music Publishing/Chrysalis Songs (ASCAP)/Universal Music Publishing (ASCAP)/Songs of Universal Inc. (BMI)
Produced by NO ID for Rich Daily Since ‘71
Recorded by Noah Goldstein at (The Mercer) Hotel, New York
Mixed by Mike Dean for Dean’s List Productions at (The Mercer) Hotel, New York
[NFP: Kanye West, Shawn Carter, Ernest Wilson, Russell Simmons, Lawrence Smith, Maureen. Reid]

“The Joy” feat. Curtis Mayfield
(K. West, S. Carter, C. Mayfield, P. Phillips, S. Mescudi, J. Cameron, J. Zachary)
Please Gimme My Publishing|EMI Blackwood Music Inc. (BMI)/EMI April Music, Inc.|Carter Boys Music (ASCAP)/Soul Brother #1 (ASCAP)/Warner-Tamerlane Publishing Corp. (BMI)/Universal Music-Careers (BMI)/The Numero Group (BMI)
Produced by Pete Rock for Soul Brother #1 Productions and Kanye West for Very Good Beats/Hip Hop since 1978
Additional Production by Mike Dean for Dean’s List Productions and Jeff Bhasker
Recorded by Anthony Kilhoffer at Avex Recording Studio, Honolulu, HI
Assisted by Gaylord Holomalia and Christian Mochizuki
Mixed by Mike Dean for Dean’s List Productions
Keyboards, Bass: Mike Dean
Additional vocals: Kid Cudi, Charlie Wilson and Pete Rock
Kid Cudi appears courtesy of Universal Motown Records
[NFP: Kanye West, Shawn Carter, Curtis Mayfield, Peter Phillips, Scott Mescudi, John Cameron, John Zachary]
 08-25-2011, 01:22 PM         #91
lyonsm316  OP
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Wow it's amazing how people are in this thread talking about Carter IV even though they supposedly hate the album!

Hating is an addiction isn't it!! Go listen and talk about music you DO like!

Oh and...

Apathy - Honky Kong >>>>>>>>> WTT, C4 & Red Album

I liked Weezy's, Game's and Janye's albums as well!
 6 years ago '10        #92
AriGold 171 heat pts171
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#nowplaying Jay Z Kanye West - Primetime (Watch The Throne)

So Games album won't push 100k this week huh?
How crazy would it be if WTT was #1 in it's 3rd week ahead of Games album on his 1st?

Don't Step On Our Robes


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 6 years ago '04        #93
Fameus 6 heat pts
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Why do people equate units pushed to success and quality ?
 08-25-2011, 06:21 PM         #94
SUHNAMI  OP
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Yeah I do think it will. Most of his fans will just DL it. Alotta white chicks will buy it though so idk
 6 years ago '05        #95
2 Pistolz 13 heat pts13
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C4 will outsell WTT by miles, and it's a better album overall than WTT.

Oh, and Nas has the best verse on C4, with that said.... JAY LOST / NAS WON. :dancingcool:
 08-25-2011, 06:35 PM         #96
cheguevara  OP
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6 foot 7 came out way too early..would have been iconic if it had came out a few weeks or a month before carter 4 was released. the buzz died a long time ago


HOVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
 08-25-2011, 06:37 PM         #97
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 2 Pistolz said:
C4 will outsell WTT by miles, and it's a better album overall than WTT.

Oh, and Nas has the best verse on C4, with that said.... JAY LOST / NAS WON. :dancingcool:
 6 years ago '10        #98
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 RaIVIpAG3x said:
he's better than rakim tho so your list is not valid just playing i understand your opinion
My list change from time to time, cba to change it all the time. But jigga aint in my top 5 due he is overrated
 08-26-2011, 02:05 PM         #99
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 uddart said:
My list change from time to time, cba to change it all the time. But jigga aint in my top 5 due he is overrated
Love the avi.
 08-26-2011, 08:18 PM         #100
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 Smoke500 said:


Dude stop it.....really


WTT sold that much despite ::

1. Only 2 singles being released....and the 1st single was released MONTHS before
2. No music video before the release date
3. No leak

WTT sold off hype and anticipation overall. The Carter 4 never had that hype and buzz....gtfoh

And if that song President Carter is the best Wayne got....then . The funny thing about WTT though...I was super skeptical about it. Then I listened to the songs and said "this is a great album"
it's two hugeeee fan bases wtf, it aint no "despite"

if C4 outsells WTT...remember that men lie women lie numbers dont

and what if game outsells WTT lmfao
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