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 6 years ago '05        #21
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 VinceTran said:
this is why the league is done.. retards like this... first of all... you like Gunit?? nuff said..

8-9 billion pay cut?? all the players in the league put together don't make more then 2 billion in salary.. how many times did u get thrown out the window when you were born??

I'm on more on the owner side because i like to see everyone team have a chance to win?? looking at your favorite teams.. i'm guess you're a bandwagon jumper... Red socks/steelers and lakers are your favorite teams?? LOL wow just wow

Players are gonna lose because just like any company in the world... owners are the ones signing checks. What are they players gonna do?? look for different jobs?? the players are in a profession where there is only 1 option. THEY HAVE NO 2ND OPTIONS.

Apple is the perfect example. They are number 1 in their market. They have the highest prices. If you don't want it their product... they don't care. They are the top. the nba is the same. Top in their market. You don't want to play/watch the nba... go somewhere else, because there will be a million others who will.
Your whole argument is stupid did u even listen to what Gil said . the SUPERSTAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS GONNA GO TO THE BIG CITY NO MATTER WHAT THE CAP IS . how are the owners gonna stop that due away with free Agent?? the owners dont care about been fair the nba has been this way for 30 years sh*t has nothing to do with fair that just there PR for stupid a.ss fans like u. THIS IS ABOUT MORE MONEY FOR THEM AND THAT ONLY.

NY Lal clippers have been horrible for years there big market teams San ant has won mult titles and there small market OKC is the smallest market there is and they have a good team. fact is in this system SMALL MARKET TEAMS CAN WIN IT S JUST THE FACT THAT MOST TEAMS DONT KNOW BASKETBALL WHICH IS WHY THEY STAY BAD. but u like the idiot you are listen to owners who say they wanna make sh*t more fair
this is about money they wanna pretty much gurantee them self money so instead of sharing money with owners they rather just r*pe the players.

BOTH FOOTBALL AND BASEBALL SHARE MONEY MORE THEN NBA AND THERE DOING FINE SAME TEAMS IN FOOTBALL AND BASEBALL ARE THERE EVERY YEAR BUT I DONT HERE U CRYING ABOUT THOSE SPORTS NOT BEEN FAIR. your an idiot and u dont even know wats going on
 6 years ago '11        #22
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 VinceTran said:
this is why the league is done.. retards like this... first of all... you like Gunit?? nuff said..

8-9 billion pay cut?? all the players in the league put together don't make more then 2 billion in salary.. how many times did u get thrown out the window when you were born??

I'm on more on the owner side because i like to see everyone team have a chance to win?? looking at your favorite teams.. i'm guess you're a bandwagon jumper... Red socks/steelers and lakers are your favorite teams?? LOL wow just wow

Players are gonna lose because just like any company in the world... owners are the ones signing checks. What are they players gonna do?? look for different jobs?? the players are in a profession where there is only 1 option. THEY HAVE NO 2ND OPTIONS.

Apple is the perfect example. They are number 1 in their market. They have the highest prices. If you don't want it their product... they don't care. They are the top. the nba is the same. Top in their market. You don't want to play/watch the nba... go somewhere else, because there will be a million others who will.
Dogg, you really ain't know sh*t. Most of your posts on this forum are pure garbage with no insight at all and false knowledge.

The owners fu*ked up, they made the mistakes... you have no idea what the fu*k you're talking about.

So it was Joe Johnson's fault the owners decided to give him a 6 year $119 million dollar contract.

So it was Rudy Gay's fault they gave him a 5 year $80 million dollar contract.

Owners make stupid decisions.
 6 years ago '10        #23
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 VinceTran said:
this is why the league is done.. retards like this... first of all... you like Gunit?? nuff said..

8-9 billion pay cut?? all the players in the league put together don't make more then 2 billion in salary.. how many times did u get thrown out the window when you were born??

I'm on more on the owner side because i like to see everyone team have a chance to win?? looking at your favorite teams.. i'm guess you're a bandwagon jumper... Red socks/steelers and lakers are your favorite teams?? LOL wow just wow

Players are gonna lose because just like any company in the world... owners are the ones signing checks. What are they players gonna do?? look for different jobs?? the players are in a profession where there is only 1 option. THEY HAVE NO 2ND OPTIONS.

Apple is the perfect example. They are number 1 in their market. They have the highest prices. If you don't want it their product... they don't care. They are the top. the nba is the same. Top in their market. You don't want to play/watch the nba... go somewhere else, because there will be a million others who will.
Damn you sound like one of those RealGm posters
 6 years ago '09        #24
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 PTC said:
Dogg, you really ain't know sh*t. Most of your posts on this forum are pure garbage with no insight at all and false knowledge.

The owners fu*ked up, they made the mistakes... you have no idea what the fu*k you're talking about.

So it was Joe Johnson's fault the owners decided to give him a 6 year $119 million dollar contract.

So it was Rudy Gay's fault they gave him a 5 year $80 million dollar contract.

Owners make stupid decisions.
It wasn't the players fault but what do you expect the owners of teams in those markets to do, just let them walk to Chicago, Boston, NY, Houston or LA getting nothing in return and making their franchises rebuild again losing what little fan support they do have?
 6 years ago '08        #25
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 VinceTran said:
this is why the league is done.. retards like this... first of all... you like Gunit?? nuff said..
^^^That dumb sh*t right there made me not even read the rest of your post.
 6 years ago '09        #26
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I'm guessing Gil doesnt think a hard cap will go over because if it does then those players he says will go to the big cities no matter what cant flock there if another guy or two is already there or they wont have enough left over to field a team.

That's my guess for why the owners want the hard cap and why they believe it will keep the top guys and even the level right under them from joining together on one roster
 6 years ago '05        #27
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 Fly 2ndComing said:
I'm guessing Gil doesnt think a hard cap will go over because if it does then those players he says will go to the big cities no matter what cant flock there if another guy or two is already there or they wont have enough left over to field a team.

That's my guess for why the owners want the hard cap and why they believe it will keep the top guys and even the level right under them from joining together on one roster
fool they only want a hard cap because it gives them a great chance of making money . thats it. its been the same this way for over 30 years u think out of no where owners woke up and just said man this isnt fair. your a moron this is all bout money they want to r*pe the players so they wont have to share all renvue like baseball and football does.

sh*t has very little to do with keeping it fair. Plus plenty of small market teams are in the mix now OKC Memp etc etc U can win in a small market u just have to build rite like S.A stop using that bs excuses espn is telling u this is all bout money
 6 years ago '05        #28
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 VinceTran said:
pure garbage?? read what you're typing first.. now that's pure garbage.

Joe Johnson forced his was to that contract. Phoenix tried to sign him long term but he wanted more money so they traded him. Then Atlanta had to overpaid him to save the franchise. Without Joe the team would of been worst then it was.

So you expect memphis to lose their best player just because of morals?? you're dumb as sh*t if you think that. Owners make stupid decisions?? what about the players who hold out and demand more money??

Every player wants to be the highest paid or top 5 paid players in the league. that's why the salaries keep rising. Lebron wants the most.. what are u gonna do?? someone else from a big market will sign him to no matter what contract so teams are left to have to overpay.

Some people don't know how business works. I'm in my 3rd year of financial management (accounting for you retards like PTC)... 30 teams in the nba... the richest teams overpay for the talent so the rest of the teams gotta catch up. This is why Minnesota had to pay KG that ridiculous contract to keep him in the freezing cold north. This is why Toronto pay 11 million for Turkoglu to come up in canada. IF these teams don't... the fans aren't gonna pay.

How hard is it for you to understand how businesses work. the 5-6 teams profitable aren't gonna compensate for the 24 owners who lost money. If they NBA was such great shape, wouldn't there be a tons of billionaires bidding for New orleans?? Learn how a business works then come back at me. there's more to a business then paying players. Who pays the garbage waste after each game?? who's gonna maintain the areana?? who's gonna pay for the insurance?? PTC you're not even close to my level on anything.. so stfu
your idiot they didnt have to do anything they could of let him walk. They chose to give him that deal. no one put a gun to owner heads. How are u blaming players for all these deals teams need to do better job of looking at players. With joe they not gonna win sh*t without joe they not gonna win sh*t so wtf u saying .

and LBj took a pay cut to come to heat he not even in top 3 in money this year wtf are u talking about it. he took less money to win could of got 40 million more if he stayed with clev . Damn u just need to shutup you dont know what your talking about . Your blaming players for owners grown a.ss men who have bus that are worth millions but they cant help them self from signing bad deals smh foh
 6 years ago '08        #29
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 Agentzer0oo0 said:
Damn you sound like one of those RealGm posters
 6 years ago '10        #30
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The Pistons broke up because they were getting old with the same old results. Not because the organization couldn't afford them all of a sudden.
 6 years ago '06        #31
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The Clippers have been rebuilding for 20+ years and made one playoff series.


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 6 years ago '07        #32
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owners don't want to spend the money to get better players around their stars. its not about players leaving for big cities, its about leaving for teams they know they can contend for and owners who are willing to spend.

take toronto for example. a team that lost tmac, forced to trade vince carter, lost bosh and possibly lose demar derozan in the future because they continuously draft/surround their star player with bad players. why should those players continue to suffer due to bad management and ownership?

spend the money to get better players
be wiser with the draft
 6 years ago '08        #33
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 6 years ago '10        #34
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I think Gil and the two guys going back and forth have made some very good and valid points regarding the lockout, but to me it's much more than that. I've seen a lot of people viewing this situation in black and white instead of what it really is - shades of grey. Basically, we have the large market owners versus the small market owners versus the players with neither side willing to budge enough to resolve this matter.

David Stern has been spewing this nonsense that all 30 owners are united in the fact that they want a hard cap to protect themselves from giving out bad contracts and that most of these teams are losing money. The latter I can believe to be true to a certain extent, but the former is laughable. I find it very hard that Jerry Buss and James Dolan, the two owners of the two most profitable teams in the two largest markets in the league are for a hard cap. Who do you think is going to be affected by this the most if it comes to fruition? Are you honestly telling me that owners like Buss and Dolan are willingly going to not only at best have to reduce their highest paid players salaries in order to fit under the proposed cap (and in the worst case, trading away these aforementioned guys), cut profits AND spread the revenue that they are making amongst smaller market teams that will be benefitting from their losses just to even the playing field? People can say that the owners are going to make money regardless, but business logic 101 tells me that I doubt guys like Buss and Dolan, and guys like Pat Riley and Mark Cuban to a lesser extent are for this change in the slightest bit, if at all. If I know anything about money, it's that people want to make as much as they possibly can and not a cent less.

That leads me to this ridiculous idea that by having a hard cap these smaller market teams are somehow going to be able to compete. I hate to play the race card here, but this is the NBA - a predominantly African American league with a lot of young black males who've never had much suddenly being thrusted into the spotlight for the world to see and given tons of money that thy couldn't even imagine. That's honestly a lot to deal with at one time, despite people thinking that life suddenly better once becoming rich or those that can say what they would and wouldn't do with these millions of dollars these guys are making. It's a lot easier to say what you would or wouldn't do when you're not in that position. Do you guys think that teams like the Clippers, who have an owner that has all but confessed to being in this strictly for the money that he knows will come regardless of how his team does because his team is in LA, or a team like Minnesota who will never amount to anything no matter who falls into their lap, will suddenly attract guys that could actually make a difference? There's really only a few teams that are usually in contention for the most part every decade and sure enough it's usually the teams with larger markets. Occasionally you'll have a smaller market team that will show flashes of brilliance for awhile (San Antonio this past decade, the Rockets in the 90's come to mind) and win a championship, but that's more so because they are teams that are managed extremely well for the most part compared to teams who constantly draft poorly or overpay guys based on a good season or two. Most of the star guys or guys that owners think are going to be stars are going to play for the larger market teams because that's where the money and fame is at, with the occasional star player staying with one of the better small market teams because they have a competent owner that will make things work without breaking the bank to do so. Other than that, for the most part you're probably going to have a larger market team like the Lakers, the Bulls, the Knicks, the Heat, the Celtics and maybe the Mavericks or the Magic constantly in the mix then say a team like the Raptors, with the occasional outside team who builds their team the right way without spending a bunch of money to do so. Basically, the rich will get richer while the poor get poorer. A hard cap may not neccessarily stop a guy like Chris Paul, stuck on a team that has peaked already, from taking a huge pay cut to join the Knicks or Lakers, if some exemptions are made to it. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they threw him some money under the table just to do it. David Stern will never admit it, but the league would be better off contracting a lot of these small market teams, at least from a competitive point of view anyway. No one worth a damn is ever going to play their full career in a place like Toronto or Cleveland.

The players are said to be united as well, but like I stated with the owners, I don't believe that for one second. Guys like Lebron and Kobe and anyone else making over 14 million that actually deserve what they are getting paid are going to be the ones hit by these salary cuts the most. Yeah, they can make up for it trough endorsements and whatever else they may have going for them, but again, people naturally want their money and not a cent less. That can certainly cause a lot of issues within the union, and probably already has. I'm sure just like the owners, all the players aren't on the same page of this either.

I'm a die hard fan of the NBA. Basketball is my favorite sport to watch. At the same time, I'm a working guy, trying to make ends meet. I'm not discrediting any player in the NBA - they all certainly worked hard to get where they are no matter how much crap and criticism us fans give them. It's just sad to see such a display of selfishness and greed from everyone involved in this. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it and I'll certainly continue to live my life, but to act like I don't care would be ridiculous, just like this lockout is. This system is broken, has been broken for a long time, and is more than likely broke beyond repair. The league has been made out to be a joke because of it and the owners and (to a lesser extent) the players have no one to blame but themselves
 6 years ago '07        #35
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 Mike Watts said:
I think Gil and the two guys going back and forth have made some very good and valid points regarding the lockout, but to me it's much more than that. I've seen a lot of people viewing this situation in black and white instead of what it really is - shades of grey. Basically, we have the large market owners versus the small market owners versus the players with neither side willing to budge enough to resolve this matter.

David Stern has been spewing this nonsense that all 30 owners are united in the fact that they want a hard cap to protect themselves from giving out bad contracts and that most of these teams are losing money. The latter I can believe to be true to a certain extent, but the former is laughable. I find it very hard that Jerry Buss and James Dolan, the two owners of the two most profitable teams in the two largest markets in the league are for a hard cap. Who do you think is going to be affected by this the most if it comes to fruition? Are you honestly telling me that owners like Buss and Dolan are willingly going to not only at best have to reduce their highest paid players salaries in order to fit under the proposed cap (and in the worst case, trading away these aforementioned guys), cut profits AND spread the revenue that they are making amongst smaller market teams that will be benefitting from their losses just to even the playing field? People can say that the owners are going to make money regardless, but business logic 101 tells me that I doubt guys like Buss and Dolan, and guys like Pat Riley and Mark Cuban to a lesser extent are for this change in the slightest bit, if at all. If I know anything about money, it's that people want to make as much as they possibly can and not a cent less.

That leads me to this ridiculous idea that by having a hard cap these smaller market teams are somehow going to be able to compete. I hate to play the race card here, but this is the NBA - a predominantly African American league with a lot of young black males who've never had much suddenly being thrusted into the spotlight for the world to see and given tons of money that thy couldn't even imagine. That's honestly a lot to deal with at one time, despite people thinking that life suddenly better once becoming rich or those that can say what they would and wouldn't do with these millions of dollars these guys are making. It's a lot easier to say what you would or wouldn't do when you're not in that position. Do you guys think that teams like the Clippers, who have an owner that has all but confessed to being in this strictly for the money that he knows will come regardless of how his team does because his team is in LA, or a team like Minnesota who will never amount to anything no matter who falls into their lap, will suddenly attract guys that could actually make a difference? There's really only a few teams that are usually in contention for the most part every decade and sure enough it's usually the teams with larger markets. Occasionally you'll have a smaller market team that will show flashes of brilliance for awhile (San Antonio this past decade, the Rockets in the 90's come to mind) and win a championship, but that's more so because they are teams that are managed extremely well for the most part compared to teams who constantly draft poorly or overpay guys based on a good season or two. Most of the star guys or guys that owners think are going to be stars are going to play for the larger market teams because that's where the money and fame is at, with the occasional star player staying with one of the better small market teams because they have a competent owner that will make things work without breaking the bank to do so. Other than that, for the most part you're probably going to have a larger market team like the Lakers, the Bulls, the Knicks, the Heat, the Celtics and maybe the Mavericks or the Magic constantly in the mix then say a team like the Raptors, with the occasional outside team who builds their team the right way without spending a bunch of money to do so. Basically, the rich will get richer while the poor get poorer. A hard cap may not neccessarily stop a guy like Chris Paul, stuck on a team that has peaked already, from taking a huge pay cut to join the Knicks or Lakers, if some exemptions are made to it. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they threw him some money under the table just to do it. David Stern will never admit it, but the league would be better off contracting a lot of these small market teams, at least from a competitive point of view anyway. No one worth a damn is ever going to play their full career in a place like Toronto or Cleveland.

The players are said to be united as well, but like I stated with the owners, I don't believe that for one second. Guys like Lebron and Kobe and anyone else making over 14 million that actually deserve what they are getting paid are going to be the ones hit by these salary cuts the most. Yeah, they can make up for it trough endorsements and whatever else they may have going for them, but again, people naturally want their money and not a cent less. That can certainly cause a lot of issues within the union, and probably already has. I'm sure just like the owners, all the players aren't on the same page of this either.

I'm a die hard fan of the NBA. Basketball is my favorite sport to watch. At the same time, I'm a working guy, trying to make ends meet. I'm not discrediting any player in the NBA - they all certainly worked hard to get where they are no matter how much crap and criticism us fans give them. It's just sad to see such a display of selfishness and greed from everyone involved in this. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it and I'll certainly continue to live my life, but to act like I don't care would be ridiculous, just like this lockout is. This system is broken, has been broken for a long time, and is more than likely broke beyond repair. The league has been made out to be a joke because of it and the owners and (to a lesser extent) the players have no one to blame but themselves
 6 years ago '10        #36
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I'm an opinionated guy.
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 Mike Watts said:
I think Gil and the two guys going back and forth have made some very good and valid points regarding the lockout, but to me it's much more than that. I've seen a lot of people viewing this situation in black and white instead of what it really is - shades of grey. Basically, we have the large market owners versus the small market owners versus the players with neither side willing to budge enough to resolve this matter.

David Stern has been spewing this nonsense that all 30 owners are united in the fact that they want a hard cap to protect themselves from giving out bad contracts and that most of these teams are losing money. The latter I can believe to be true to a certain extent, but the former is laughable. I find it very hard that Jerry Buss and James Dolan, the two owners of the two most profitable teams in the two largest markets in the league are for a hard cap. Who do you think is going to be affected by this the most if it comes to fruition? Are you honestly telling me that owners like Buss and Dolan are willingly going to not only at best have to reduce their highest paid players salaries in order to fit under the proposed cap (and in the worst case, trading away these aforementioned guys), cut profits AND spread the revenue that they are making amongst smaller market teams that will be benefitting from their losses just to even the playing field? People can say that the owners are going to make money regardless, but business logic 101 tells me that I doubt guys like Buss and Dolan, and guys like Pat Riley and Mark Cuban to a lesser extent are for this change in the slightest bit, if at all. If I know anything about money, it's that people want to make as much as they possibly can and not a cent less.

That leads me to this ridiculous idea that by having a hard cap these smaller market teams are somehow going to be able to compete. I hate to play the race card here, but this is the NBA - a predominantly African American league with a lot of young black males who've never had much suddenly being thrusted into the spotlight for the world to see and given tons of money that thy couldn't even imagine. That's honestly a lot to deal with at one time, despite people thinking that life suddenly better once becoming rich or those that can say what they would and wouldn't do with these millions of dollars these guys are making. It's a lot easier to say what you would or wouldn't do when you're not in that position. Do you guys think that teams like the Clippers, who have an owner that has all but confessed to being in this strictly for the money that he knows will come regardless of how his team does because his team is in LA, or a team like Minnesota who will never amount to anything no matter who falls into their lap, will suddenly attract guys that could actually make a difference? There's really only a few teams that are usually in contention for the most part every decade and sure enough it's usually the teams with larger markets. Occasionally you'll have a smaller market team that will show flashes of brilliance for awhile (San Antonio this past decade, the Rockets in the 90's come to mind) and win a championship, but that's more so because they are teams that are managed extremely well for the most part compared to teams who constantly draft poorly or overpay guys based on a good season or two. Most of the star guys or guys that owners think are going to be stars are going to play for the larger market teams because that's where the money and fame is at, with the occasional star player staying with one of the better small market teams because they have a competent owner that will make things work without breaking the bank to do so. Other than that, for the most part you're probably going to have a larger market team like the Lakers, the Bulls, the Knicks, the Heat, the Celtics and maybe the Mavericks or the Magic constantly in the mix then say a team like the Raptors, with the occasional outside team who builds their team the right way without spending a bunch of money to do so. Basically, the rich will get richer while the poor get poorer. A hard cap may not neccessarily stop a guy like Chris Paul, stuck on a team that has peaked already, from taking a huge pay cut to join the Knicks or Lakers, if some exemptions are made to it. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they threw him some money under the table just to do it. David Stern will never admit it, but the league would be better off contracting a lot of these small market teams, at least from a competitive point of view anyway. No one worth a damn is ever going to play their full career in a place like Toronto or Cleveland.

The players are said to be united as well, but like I stated with the owners, I don't believe that for one second. Guys like Lebron and Kobe and anyone else making over 14 million that actually deserve what they are getting paid are going to be the ones hit by these salary cuts the most. Yeah, they can make up for it trough endorsements and whatever else they may have going for them, but again, people naturally want their money and not a cent less. That can certainly cause a lot of issues within the union, and probably already has. I'm sure just like the owners, all the players aren't on the same page of this either.

I'm a die hard fan of the NBA. Basketball is my favorite sport to watch. At the same time, I'm a working guy, trying to make ends meet. I'm not discrediting any player in the NBA - they all certainly worked hard to get where they are no matter how much crap and criticism us fans give them. It's just sad to see such a display of selfishness and greed from everyone involved in this. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it and I'll certainly continue to live my life, but to act like I don't care would be ridiculous, just like this lockout is. This system is broken, has been broken for a long time, and is more than likely broke beyond repair. The league has been made out to be a joke because of it and the owners and (to a lesser extent) the players have no one to blame but themselves

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 Mike Watts said:
I think Gil and the two guys going back and forth have made some very good and valid points regarding the lockout, but to me it's much more than that. I've seen a lot of people viewing this situation in black and white instead of what it really is - shades of grey. Basically, we have the large market owners versus the small market owners versus the players with neither side willing to budge enough to resolve this matter.

David Stern has been spewing this nonsense that all 30 owners are united in the fact that they want a hard cap to protect themselves from giving out bad contracts and that most of these teams are losing money. The latter I can believe to be true to a certain extent, but the former is laughable. I find it very hard that Jerry Buss and James Dolan, the two owners of the two most profitable teams in the two largest markets in the league are for a hard cap. Who do you think is going to be affected by this the most if it comes to fruition? Are you honestly telling me that owners like Buss and Dolan are willingly going to not only at best have to reduce their highest paid players salaries in order to fit under the proposed cap (and in the worst case, trading away these aforementioned guys), cut profits AND spread the revenue that they are making amongst smaller market teams that will be benefitting from their losses just to even the playing field? People can say that the owners are going to make money regardless, but business logic 101 tells me that I doubt guys like Buss and Dolan, and guys like Pat Riley and Mark Cuban to a lesser extent are for this change in the slightest bit, if at all. If I know anything about money, it's that people want to make as much as they possibly can and not a cent less.

That leads me to this ridiculous idea that by having a hard cap these smaller market teams are somehow going to be able to compete. I hate to play the race card here, but this is the NBA - a predominantly African American league with a lot of young black males who've never had much suddenly being thrusted into the spotlight for the world to see and given tons of money that thy couldn't even imagine. That's honestly a lot to deal with at one time, despite people thinking that life suddenly better once becoming rich or those that can say what they would and wouldn't do with these millions of dollars these guys are making. It's a lot easier to say what you would or wouldn't do when you're not in that position. Do you guys think that teams like the Clippers, who have an owner that has all but confessed to being in this strictly for the money that he knows will come regardless of how his team does because his team is in LA, or a team like Minnesota who will never amount to anything no matter who falls into their lap, will suddenly attract guys that could actually make a difference? There's really only a few teams that are usually in contention for the most part every decade and sure enough it's usually the teams with larger markets. Occasionally you'll have a smaller market team that will show flashes of brilliance for awhile (San Antonio this past decade, the Rockets in the 90's come to mind) and win a championship, but that's more so because they are teams that are managed extremely well for the most part compared to teams who constantly draft poorly or overpay guys based on a good season or two. Most of the star guys or guys that owners think are going to be stars are going to play for the larger market teams because that's where the money and fame is at, with the occasional star player staying with one of the better small market teams because they have a competent owner that will make things work without breaking the bank to do so. Other than that, for the most part you're probably going to have a larger market team like the Lakers, the Bulls, the Knicks, the Heat, the Celtics and maybe the Mavericks or the Magic constantly in the mix then say a team like the Raptors, with the occasional outside team who builds their team the right way without spending a bunch of money to do so. Basically, the rich will get richer while the poor get poorer. A hard cap may not neccessarily stop a guy like Chris Paul, stuck on a team that has peaked already, from taking a huge pay cut to join the Knicks or Lakers, if some exemptions are made to it. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they threw him some money under the table just to do it. David Stern will never admit it, but the league would be better off contracting a lot of these small market teams, at least from a competitive point of view anyway. No one worth a damn is ever going to play their full career in a place like Toronto or Cleveland.

The players are said to be united as well, but like I stated with the owners, I don't believe that for one second. Guys like Lebron and Kobe and anyone else making over 14 million that actually deserve what they are getting paid are going to be the ones hit by these salary cuts the most. Yeah, they can make up for it trough endorsements and whatever else they may have going for them, but again, people naturally want their money and not a cent less. That can certainly cause a lot of issues within the union, and probably already has. I'm sure just like the owners, all the players aren't on the same page of this either.

I'm a die hard fan of the NBA. Basketball is my favorite sport to watch. At the same time, I'm a working guy, trying to make ends meet. I'm not discrediting any player in the NBA - they all certainly worked hard to get where they are no matter how much crap and criticism us fans give them. It's just sad to see such a display of selfishness and greed from everyone involved in this. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it and I'll certainly continue to live my life, but to act like I don't care would be ridiculous, just like this lockout is. This system is broken, has been broken for a long time, and is more than likely broke beyond repair. The league has been made out to be a joke because of it and the owners and (to a lesser extent) the players have no one to blame but themselves



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to clear up some of the idiot logic floating around in this thread: miami is not one of the biggest markets nor is it a traditional league powerhouse, and overpaying for players had absolutely nothing to do with our free agency last year because lebron/wade/bosh gave up $54 mil collectively. no CBA is going to keep players from wanting to be with their friends or play on a good team or in a warm-weather city lol.

one idea i think actually would help is to nix the sign and trade, if not completely then at least in certain situations, because it nullifies the "home team advantage" in free agency. that is how lebron and bosh were both able to get 6 year deals instead of the 5 year deals they're supposed to get if they don't re-sign with their former teams. they should make it so that u can still only sign a 5 year deal or something like that because it takes away all leverage from the incumbent team. they can either let the guy walk and consider his shorter deal a moral victory or sign him to the longer contract and hope they can get a few scraps in return, and most choose the latter.

the flipside to that is that all these restrictions make player movement more difficult and give owners a harder time building teams. the ones that don't mind spending in order to win don't give a fu*k about things like that, it's only the clevelands and indianas of the league that will struggle to attract and retain FAs.
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