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 6 years ago '05        #141
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 HOAXone said:
Uhhh haha Dre is still known to do that till this day man....I never witnessed it but heard alot of stories, Up In The Club being one of them.
But yo it was Keith that rolled up on Pac - he was beefing with Pac. Pac actually did not get upset at all and was def on "Its all love" type thing which was crazy when he said "Im just trying to make some money" ...it was like him saying im not really beefing with you and all of NY Keith...im trying to get paid type thing you feel. But Pac and Keith did smoke later on and squashed it as Fredro said. Yeah I will def sk Sticky his side of the story next time....dude is still out here in LA.
yeah Onyx were down here like last week.....yo remember the whole Wu incident at the death Row club back in 96?
 6 years ago '07        #142
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The GOAT.
 6 years ago '04        #143
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 FaceTheGawd said:
And this f*ggot continues to stay on my d!ck...get a hobby son
^lol she mad....lol at "continues to stay on your puss"...lol this coming from the philly f*g who came back in a pac thread, lol the same pac she bi*ches about over n over...lol #lawse....lol at hobby...lol u got nuthin better else to do than talk sh*t in every post ..lol stick to suckin off philly in the sports section..lol no wonder they 187ed your other screename..lol fu*k outta here...lol at being mad at a dead rapper...#pacwon


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 6 years ago '05        #144
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watch ya mouth leaked like 2 year ago...is this the same version

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 6 years ago '11        #145
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 BackBlock_OG said:
It's all good until you start yelling the names of real street dudes who ain't replying back w/ rap songs.


On some real sh*t though, is there anybody old enough to remember Pac before "Hit em up" came out? When he had 1 hot single per album and people knew him more for being "Bishop", or "Lucky" or "Birdie"? All of a sudden he gets shot up and turns it into an east vs. west thing, and now he's the GOAT?

Both of these songs were wack as hell and if nobody said anything about "fu*k NY", nobody would even care about this sh*t. Lets just be real. 85% of these so-called Pac riders, can't tell you sh*t about Pac's 1st two albums, or that Thuglife sh*t. They just know "Brenda...", "I get around", and "Keep your head up".

Pac's career was so similar to how 50 Cent is now, it's scary. Both were "decent" artists in the beginning, who's careers went thru the roof after they got shot up and intertwined their real life drama w/ their rap songs. And just like 50's career now, Pac's popularity would've eventually declined when the drama subsided, and he would be dedicating more and more time to acting. Hate all you want, you know it's true.
You are the type to listen to people when the white man says they are relevant.

Tupacalyse Now was a dope record, however it was too black for alot of you who secretly hate the skin you are in.

Strictly for my n*ggaz was also dope, however it not made for the radio either.
 6 years ago '06        #146
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Pac can do no wrong
 6 years ago '10        #147
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 damien1928 said:
watch ya mouth leaked like 2 year ago...is this the same version

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The other version had a different beat


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 6 years ago '10        #148
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 Blacknitro said:
Fucc outta here. I don't even consider Pac top 5 to keep it real with you. I like music non-compromised. The fact tat you keep bringin up age shows how ignorant you are. How would you like it if I said anyone 29 and up arguing on a hip hop site sucks at life. But I want even go there with you.

Nas legacy is mainly a New York thing. I didn't say n*ggas didn't know him when he came out with Illmatic, I said most n*ggas outside of the east coast was NOT jamming that sh*t. And they wasn't, which is why the sh*t wasn't selling. Why you think he had to change his style and start callin himself Escobar....it's bcuz nobody really gave a fucc about illmatic outside of his home state. Most n*ggas was jammin, Biggie, Snoop (doggystyle/murder was the Case) Outkast, Scarface and Bone Thugs in 1994 and damn near every thing else ppl was jamming was based what region they lived in (including illmatic). Nas sh*t was highly overlooked outside the eastcoast and he lucked up with source magazine givin him 5 mics, bcuz that's what made the album what it is today, especially on the east coast. East Coast has always controlled hip hop media, so their bias dictates who's top 5 or who's album is 5 mics or who can rap and who can't and blah blah. But all you gotta do is look at the TOTAL LACK of impact Illmatic had on the southern style and the west coast style.....while albums like The Chronic, Doggystyle and All Eyez on me LITERALLY changed the game.

Also, nobody was sittin around talkin about that goat sh*t back then so fall back with that. n*ggas on the east coast may have been talkin bout it, but that was it. From a national standpoint, that goat sh*t was NOT even half of what it is now until the Pac vs Biggie war. Up until then nobody outside of the east coast gave a fucc about who the goat was. n*ggas outside the eastcoast was just enjoying the music, looking for that new death Row release or whatever was poppin in their region (Too Short, Spice 1, UGK, Geto Boys, Scarface, Eightball and MJG, etc). n*ggas was not talkin bout no so so is the best or so and so is the goat. That was just some gay sh*t goin on on the East Coast. Why think nobody in the south or the west raps like them.....it's bcuz nobody in general really cared about them outside of their region, which robbed the West Coast of it's true impact in the early 90s in favor of giving 5mic ratings to artists that had a much lesser impact on the game such as De la Soul, Tribe Called Quest, Brand Nubian and Rakim.......how many rappers imulate them......how many rappers bring them up as inspiration.......how many old heads on hip hop sites even bring up their albums.....

And there's nothing wrong with givin them 5 mics, but it's hilarious how they wasn't givin 5 mics to the artists that were having national impact (Ice Cube's first album got it, but his album certainly wasn't the only West Coast album that the nation was bumpin....NWA, Too Short, Spice 1, Dre and Snoop were all snubbed along with Geto Boys and Scarface.......and we all know why.....it's bcuz they wasn't from NY and they continued to snub ppl later on in the 90s).

No one is tryna come off as a hater, just speaking the truth. And part of the truth is you and east coast n*ggas on this site tryna rob Pac of his impact, by saying stupid sh*t like he wasn't this or that until the beef or until he died. Get the fucc outta here. Dude made rap beef what it is. At first, all you had rap battles, which is something that only happened on the East Coast for the most part, then you had rap beef (Ice Cube vs NWA, real sh*t that had nothing do with rhymes) and then death Row along with Pac took rap beef to the next level. Stop hating and respect that man's due. You too damn old to be acting like a jealous bi*ch.
Damn, with the truth
 6 years ago '05        #149
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 Maze 112 said:
Look at everyone viewing this thread. Pac is still that n*gga. After giving them one more listen I actually find these pretty good.
Homie, Change your name and avy. Biggie got k!lled because Pac tought he was g'd up.
 06-29-2011, 01:42 AM         #150
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 Blacknitro said:
Fucc outta here. I don't even consider Pac top 5 to keep it real with you. I like music non-compromised. The fact tat you keep bringin up age shows how ignorant you are. How would you like it if I said anyone 29 and up arguing on a hip hop site sucks at life. But I want even go there with you.

Nas legacy is mainly a New York thing. I didn't say n*ggas didn't know him when he came out with Illmatic, I said most n*ggas outside of the east coast was NOT jamming that sh*t. And they wasn't, which is why the sh*t wasn't selling. Why you think he had to change his style and start callin himself Escobar....it's bcuz nobody really gave a fucc about illmatic outside of his home state. Most n*ggas was jammin, Biggie, Snoop (doggystyle/murder was the Case) Outkast, Scarface and Bone Thugs in 1994 and damn near every thing else ppl was jamming was based what region they lived in (including illmatic). Nas sh*t was highly overlooked outside the eastcoast and he lucked up with source magazine givin him 5 mics, bcuz that's what made the album what it is today, especially on the east coast. East Coast has always controlled hip hop media, so their bias dictates who's top 5 or who's album is 5 mics or who can rap and who can't and blah blah. But all you gotta do is look at the TOTAL LACK of impact Illmatic had on the southern style and the west coast style.....while albums like The Chronic, Doggystyle and All Eyez on me LITERALLY changed the game.

Also, nobody was sittin around talkin about that goat sh*t back then so fall back with that. n*ggas on the east coast may have been talkin bout it, but that was it. From a national standpoint, that goat sh*t was NOT even half of what it is now until the Pac vs Biggie war. Up until then nobody outside of the east coast gave a fucc about who the goat was. n*ggas outside the eastcoast was just enjoying the music, looking for that new death Row release or whatever was poppin in their region (Too Short, Spice 1, UGK, Geto Boys, Scarface, Eightball and MJG, etc). n*ggas was not talkin bout no so so is the best or so and so is the goat. That was just some gay sh*t goin on on the East Coast. Why think nobody in the south or the west raps like them.....it's bcuz nobody in general really cared about them outside of their region, which robbed the West Coast of it's true impact in the early 90s in favor of giving 5mic ratings to artists that had a much lesser impact on the game such as De la Soul, Tribe Called Quest, Brand Nubian and Rakim.......how many rappers imulate them......how many rappers bring them up as inspiration.......how many old heads on hip hop sites even bring up their albums.....

And there's nothing wrong with givin them 5 mics, but it's hilarious how they wasn't givin 5 mics to the artists that were having national impact (Ice Cube's first album got it, but his album certainly wasn't the only West Coast album that the nation was bumpin....NWA, Too Short, Spice 1, Dre and Snoop were all snubbed along with Geto Boys and Scarface.......and we all know why.....it's bcuz they wasn't from NY and they continued to snub ppl later on in the 90s).

No one is tryna come off as a hater, just speaking the truth. And part of the truth is you and east coast n*ggas on this site tryna rob Pac of his impact, by saying stupid sh*t like he wasn't this or that until the beef or until he died. Get the fucc outta here. Dude made rap beef what it is. At first, all you had rap battles, which is something that only happened on the East Coast for the most part, then you had rap beef (Ice Cube vs NWA, real sh*t that had nothing do with rhymes) and then death Row along with Pac took rap beef to the next level. Stop hating and respect that man's due. You too damn old to be acting like a jealous bi*ch.

I wouldnt say Nas's legacy in 94 was a NY thing because people on the underground in other cities were vibing with what he was saying and feeling the album . Common said it himself "Back in 94 they call me Chi Town Nas". That album had an impact on the underground. It didnt sell, sure but neither did a lot of key NY (and even West Coast underground) albums at time.

I also dont believe that the East Coast had as much of a bias as we remember. The West Coast was still popping on radio and video stations across the US and you even had acts like Outkast going Platinum in the 90s. Hell the bias a.ss Source Magazine that everyone claimed sucked East Coast d!ck gave Outkast that award.

Culturally speaking from movies to music I think West Coast Gangsta Rap was fairly major mainstream wise and you do see artist today (particularly in the south) give props to West Coast pioneers just like some of the new age hipster rappers give props to the Native Tounges movment of the 90s.

Keep in mind also, Nas along with Wu and Biggie were credited with bringing the East Coast renaissance of the 90s, so while the albums might not have sold initially, you saw by there second or there years how much they were growing to the point that by 96 on New York was firmly back on the spot, and Nas obviously went multi-plat with It Was Written in the summer of 96 when death Row was reigning supreme (I would argue him, Fugees and LL coming off Mr. Smith in Fall of 95 were the most noticeable NY artists on MTV, with Wu and Biggie coming in next but having a bigger impact on the streets)


I hear what your saying but too many get one sided when they remember the 90s. But we can agree Pac was a major artist at the time (Hell he did movies for a reason). Although I do think when he was alive, prior to death Row, Snoop, Cube, Cypress Hill were probably all slightly bigger than him. Doesn't make him less prolific.
 6 years ago '06        #151
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Pac saying Dre aint made a beat in 6 years...nothing changed
 06-29-2011, 02:16 AM         #152
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 Blacknitro said:
You misinterpreted most of my post or maybe you did that on purpose as bait. I'm gettin ready to go to sleep so I ain't go bother. Feel free to read again (no pun).

In short....according to eastcoast critics,

-West coast rap=some gangsta sh*t.

-Southern rap=some random party sh*t.

-East Coast rap=Lyrical masters! God MC's! Classic lyricism! 90% of hip hop's classic albums!!! Real Hip hop! What hip hop is all about!! The rappers that made all the history!!! The best of the best!!!

^^^^That sh*t is sad and very unfair. And that's how hip hop history is told through the eyes of the popular critics that come from...............NEW YORK/EAST COAST.

sh*t is fu*ked up.

Dueces.
I didnt misinterpret what you said and it wasn't bait either. I just clarified a couple of claims that's all.

I think if you really look at it in retrospect, the West Coast never had as big a conspiracy against them like people thought. Yeah Hot 97 didnt play a lot of West Coast music but that was the extent of it. But that was no worse than non-NY stations playing very little New York Hip Hop and opting for the commercial acts and mostly R&B records instead. Ironically dudes like Strech and Bobbitto had no problem showing love to the new breed of West Coast cats like Rass Kass and the Liks but thats a whole another thing.

The magazines and TV shows still covered that stuff from the West Coast.] If you look at old Source, Rap Pages and even hipster Village Voice articles they were fairly generous to good Cali rappers (Dre, Cube, Cypress, Snoop etc). They only criticized ones who essentially were biting the popular rappers. The West Coast had diverse acts (Pharcyde for one) but you gotta admit they were a lot of people biting the death Row artists and such at the time too. So that's where the criticism went.


Even now you have critics from New York who jock other regions more (Tom Brenhian and Noz from Cocaine Blunts who stan even the most obscure of West Coast and Southern dudes).

Now if you want to say that post-1996, there was an anti-West Coast bias I would argee with you there, because from 97, 98 onwards it got quiet, but that was also a matter of distribution and quality of the records . At the same time, you had Flex playing Cash Money despite some heavy resistance and other Southern cats at the turn of the new century, despite a strong and healthy NY rap scene so evidently NY didnt have too much of a bias to embrace the south as they did pre-2003 when all the regions blew up and overtook the East.


Really its more to do with commercialism than regionalism and that still somewhat exists today. I think because we remember the soundbites of certain artist complaining about the time we remember it like that but if you look back on it, the East and West had some healthy scenes and I dont think they were being hindered as much as people think. Was there a little bit with some DJs? Sure. On both coasts. But a lot to complain and call a conspiracy? I dont believe so.
 6 years ago '07        #153
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 6 years ago '11        #154
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death Row already blocked the audio on the youtube, we got a snitch somewhere.....
 6 years ago '04        #155
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yo saw this sh*t and i know this is a pac song but its late and i cant think of what it is for sh*t!!!!!!!


and who remade that is it jay z ?


can someone put me up on this song so i can find the instrumental




http://worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh11B6oQ3sF0aS9RDe
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 Blacknitro said:
Fucc outta here. I don't even consider Pac top 5 to keep it real with you. I like music non-compromised. The fact tat you keep bringin up age shows how ignorant you are. How would you like it if I said anyone 29 and up arguing on a hip hop site sucks at life. But I want even go there with you.

Nas legacy is mainly a New York thing. I didn't say n*ggas didn't know him when he came out with Illmatic, I said most n*ggas outside of the east coast was NOT jamming that sh*t. And they wasn't, which is why the sh*t wasn't selling. Why you think he had to change his style and start callin himself Escobar....it's bcuz nobody really gave a fucc about illmatic outside of his home state. Most n*ggas was jammin, Biggie, Snoop (doggystyle/murder was the Case) Outkast, Scarface and Bone Thugs in 1994 and damn near every thing else ppl was jamming was based what region they lived in (including illmatic). Nas sh*t was highly overlooked outside the eastcoast and he lucked up with source magazine givin him 5 mics, bcuz that's what made the album what it is today, especially on the east coast. East Coast has always controlled hip hop media, so their bias dictates who's top 5 or who's album is 5 mics or who can rap and who can't and blah blah. But all you gotta do is look at the TOTAL LACK of impact Illmatic had on the southern style and the west coast style.....while albums like The Chronic, Doggystyle and All Eyez on me LITERALLY changed the game.

Also, nobody was sittin around talkin about that goat sh*t back then so fall back with that. n*ggas on the east coast may have been talkin bout it, but that was it. From a national standpoint, that goat sh*t was NOT even half of what it is now until the Pac vs Biggie war. Up until then nobody outside of the east coast gave a fucc about who the goat was. n*ggas outside the eastcoast was just enjoying the music, looking for that new death Row release or whatever was poppin in their region (Too Short, Spice 1, UGK, Geto Boys, Scarface, Eightball and MJG, etc). n*ggas was not talkin bout no so so is the best or so and so is the goat. That was just some gay sh*t goin on on the East Coast. Why think nobody in the south or the west raps like them.....it's bcuz nobody in general really cared about them outside of their region, which robbed the West Coast of it's true impact in the early 90s in favor of giving 5mic ratings to artists that had a much lesser impact on the game such as De la Soul, Tribe Called Quest, Brand Nubian and Rakim.......how many rappers imulate them......how many rappers bring them up as inspiration.......how many old heads on hip hop sites even bring up their albums.....

And there's nothing wrong with givin them 5 mics, but it's hilarious how they wasn't givin 5 mics to the artists that were having national impact (Ice Cube's first album got it, but his album certainly wasn't the only West Coast album that the nation was bumpin....NWA, Too Short, Spice 1, Dre and Snoop were all snubbed along with Geto Boys and Scarface.......and we all know why.....it's bcuz they wasn't from NY and they continued to snub ppl later on in the 90s).

No one is tryna come off as a hater, just speaking the truth. And part of the truth is you and east coast n*ggas on this site tryna rob Pac of his impact, by saying stupid sh*t like he wasn't this or that until the beef or until he died. Get the fucc outta here. Dude made rap beef what it is. At first, all you had rap battles, which is something that only happened on the East Coast for the most part, then you had rap beef (Ice Cube vs NWA, real sh*t that had nothing do with rhymes) and then death Row along with Pac took rap beef to the next level. Stop hating and respect that man's due. You too damn old to be acting like a jealous bi*ch.



to sum up what this n*gga just said.... first 20 seconds of this track...





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ether'd that n*gga made him sign off and go to sleep..........



 6 years ago '06        #157
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lol... pac was relevant and selling records, had hit singles BEFORE death row and biggie... so calm down with all of that BS n*ggas is crying about.
 6 years ago '05        #158
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back in the 90's west coast had some of the best rappers to ever spit....where do I start

BG knocc out & Dresta
South Central Cartel
Da Lench Mob
Spice 1
Sinister
Kaution
murder Squad

I remember back in the 90's I was bumping a lot of West Coast and East Coast....West Coast music back in the 90's just had that sick sound and sick lyrics
 06-29-2011, 03:39 AM         #159
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As far as rappers go, Pac the beat. Biggie the greatest MC
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 Gravediggaz said:
yeah Onyx were down here like last week.....yo remember the whole Wu incident at the death Row club back in 96?


Ha you talking about when Meth (may have been someone else from Wu) had their chain snatched from a death Row affiliate? HAHA Yo Pac knew them Wu dudes were no joke and had the chain immediately returned.
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