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@LupeFiasco: "What's The Difference Between Osama and Obama?"
 

 

Lupe Fiasco, one of the great poets of his generation, made some comments that didn't sit well with a lot of people, when called President Barack Obama a "terrorist." I decided to reach out to Lupe to give him a platform to further explain why he felt this way and discuss the overall state of our country, our politics and the world.

This is a transcript from our conversation.

Me: Lupe, it is good to speak with you. I heard there was a lot of talk about the comments you made a few days ago about the President and I wanted to give you a chance to further discuss your thoughts. I respect you as an artist and a poet and I think your opinion is important to the national discussion on where our country is going. Tell me more about where your opinions come from and how you came to the conclusion that the President is a "terrorist," which although I might disagree with you on this one, I still want to give you the chance to explain.

Lupe: America was based on a hypocrisy and what we had done is basically an extension of that hypocrisy. I think that the Constitution was a hypocrisy in the sense that the same way you look at somebody like Glenn Beck as a hypocrite. On one level I agree with a lot of stuff that Glenn Beck says ó this is to give you context for me and where my statements come from ó I agree with the ideals that he speaks about when he talks about family values and when he talks about taking care of your own community. He talks a really good wholesome kind of game. The problem is, heís not talking to anybody but white people. Itís really just the intention and the context of it. So thereís a certain level of hypocrisy that exists in America. And it started back from the constitution and all the people who wrote the Constitution and everything that they put in there it was good game, but all those people had slaves. The majority of the people had slaves or were sympathetic to slaveholders or were direct recipients of money from slavery and things like that and had businesses that dealt with plantations and people that had slaves. Thereís a certain level of hypocrisy that existed from the inception of this country all the way up until today and weíre really just facing the remnants.

Lupe: My issue and what I try and do is expose that hypocrisy but expand the conversation to make it honest. To make the conversation honest so it speaks to everyone so people become educated to those things. So for me it boils down to everything that America does. Itís foreign policy is very hypocritical, itís very backwards. We donít count the other bodies, for us the war is one-way. And theyíre not even wars of attrition, not even honest wars. They're not wars that were like wars that were fought 200 years ago or wars that were fought a hundred years ago. These are wars that are based on business. These are wars that are based on ďletís build these drones and we gotta try this technology but we need to make sure it works so we need to at least k!ll X amount of people so we can prove the value of this particular project that we spent 40 billion dollars onĒ so to speak. And you multiply times how many things are going through the Pentagon military industrial complex.

So when I make the statement about Obama being a terrorist it was funny because somebody had did it Ö on one of the blogs or one of the news pieces or one of the internet sites that actually ran with the story or re-put it out, one of the people in the commentary related the whole situation to Osama bin Laden right? And Osama bin Laden was the unquestioned head of Al Qaeda, he was the mastermind, he was a financier, he was a politician, he orchestrated things for Al Qaeda and what have you but Osama bin Laden wasnít a suicide bomber. He wasnít a soldier. If he was a suicide bomber he would be dead because his first mission there would be no more Osama bin Laden. Other than the time that he spent in Afghanistan, as far as we know he was never the one running in to the supermarkets shooting people, he was never the one running into the mosque shooting people, he was never one at the roadside setting up IEDs, he didnít fly the planes into the buildings or anything like that. He was the mastermind, the financier and what have you. And some instances the way Al Qaeda is set up thereís certain things that Osama bin Laden probably didnít even know about that was occurring all throughout the Middle East, all throughout North Africa and in the U. S. as well. So heís a terrorist even though he never really did a terrorist act.

Lupe (con't): So they related it to Obama and they said well Obama is kinda in the same light. Every President before him and every President that comes after him that still pushes aggression first. Whereas Obama never k!lled anybody. Him himself. He doesnít know how to fly a stealth f!ghter. He never piloted a drone from a hundred miles away and dropped a bomb on a wedding or a birthday party. But at the same time too he should receive the same amount of credit for those actions of the people that are under him and the organizations that he heads. He should receive the same credit and the same title that Osama bin Laden gets. Whatís the difference between somebody walking a bomb in strapped to their chest into a wedding full of innocent people or a bomb coming from a stealth f!ghter two miles up and coming into the roof into a wedding full of innocent people? Whatís the difference? At the end of the day youíre k!lling innocent people. So for me itís ó and thatís from somebody else that was from somebody spectating and commentating on the situation. So as long as they can inspire things like that then I feel that itís a just and a real honest and critical conversation that weíre having right now. Itís inspiring this type of thought, for people to start thinking critically about whatís going on. I can sit out and fully ó ya' know if it was in a political context and we sat down and had the real political discourse and I went and quoted all of the books I read and documentaries Iíve seen and the knowledge and the numbers and the statistics that I have ó I can explain why what when and where to a tee. But in the state that we live in and the way the mediaís run and the way the internet works Iím at the mercy of the soundbite and Iím at the mercy of the attention span of 140 characters on Twitter and things of that nature. I think thereís a certain level of hypocrisy that this country was founded on and Iím just kinda trying to find out the effects of it now. If that makes any sense?

Me: The idea of these promises we founded this country on and to the extent that you want to make a more perfect Union, this dialogue has to be had. If we have foreign policy that is driven by corporations in some cases and sometimes it hurts innocent people and we couldíve made choices that are more compassionate then your dialogue is necessary and maybe your soundbite is how the dialogue begins for some people. Are you concerned that having this discussion is gonna affect your career?

Lupe: Um Ö yeah! (laughs) but I donít think itís gonna be in a negative way because Iím thinking ten steps ahead. Iím not thinking Ö Iím thinking of the effects of this, who this is gonna speak to, whoís gonna react to it, whoís gonna be against it, whoís gonna be for it. But Iím already thinking 10 steps ahead. Iím already thinking about and already have in place the ó Fox News, Bill OíReilly just did a Ö he just called me a pinhead on his show last night for the remark and lied and said that he reached out to get me on the show.

Me: What I was saying is I think what occurred with Fox News or whoever else is gonna try to use this as ammunition against Obama for whatever the political purposes are.

Lupe: Or whatever the GOP candidates or what have you right? Use it as another sound bite alongside Obamacare to just put the hoopla up in the midst. And I think what happened was is people once they start to do that and they Google who I was and then they see the context of why the question was even asked in the first place was based off the song ďWords I Never SaidĒ then itís ďoh if we put this dude on, everything that he talked about is gonna come out and heís really talking about us too."

Me: Can I say something that I hope will put it in context? Because I donít think your career is at risk at all. I mean you have music, youíre a poet you say things that are on your mind and people applaud you for them and theyíre truthful and they listen to them more intently. Most of the people who buy your records are progressive thinkers and will listen to you but let me put it in the context of, and you see if it's ok. What I believe is that what youíre saying is American foreign policy is in many cases pushed by corporate greed, pushed by abusive lifestyles to make everybody continue to be comfortable and sometimes exploit innocent people across the globe for the betterment of the American public. They think betterment, you know most times we donít need the sh*t we f!ght for. I donít care if itís the sh*t on the ground, the cell phones, or if itís the oil or gold or whatever it is weíre stealing or taking from other countries. What youíre saying about American policy is that everybody should be first more educated so they can push their politicians to make better choices a and stand up to the kind of sideways rap they can give us while they do sometimes really hurtful things. Americans are not aware of the hurtful things that are done ďon their behalfĒ. But for the record, you're saying that American foreign policy has always been, and more recently more and more been, whether it's the lobbyists or the corporations or the business interests or the support systems that make this government stand on this legs. You would say that you may not like Obama, but the alternative is worse. Cause you know that I have proudly supported this President and I believe in him and I want people to be inspired to vote. I have to go out and work my a.ss off to make sure that a foreign policy that could be more disastrous than George Bush's is not implemented and more people are not abused ó if we got a Sarah Palin or a Michelle Bachmann or a Mitt Romney ... damn. Is that a fair a.ssessment?

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After yesterday's tremendous response to the part one of my conversation with the gifted Lupe Fiasco, I now present to you part two. Look forward to your comments:

Lupe: But I think, you know to be honest like for me I think that the conversation is the issue that Iíve always had with America. To me the American government is second or third in the context of it. The corporations are definitely second but the people are first. I think the people have to understand that theyíre conducive, that we actually have the blood on our hands. As much as we try to put that off on the politics or the politicians or the corporations or the military, weíre conducive on it because we silently agreed to it. Then we actively finance it because we pay taxes. So I always said that voting is cool. Itís theater but the actual meat and potatoes and the reality of it is you pay taxes and your taxes finance those drones and pay for that foreign policy and pay for the research programs and pay for all that stuff for international diplomacy and blah blah blah. So I think that the education I think that needs to be had and the idea that the alternative is worse I donít necessarily agree with that. I believe that when you look at Obama I think itís even worse-er because people idealize him to be better and you have better doing the same as the worse. Itís almost doubley worse because youíre supposed to be the guiding light, youíre supposed to be the guy. No matter what people thought of youÖ the only reason I agreed with Obama was because he was black but I had no any type of inkling that he would be any different from any politician for one he was trained in the Chicago machine which is the most corrupt political entity on Earth. When you come down to the nuts and bolts we have two consecutive governors one is in prison right now the other theyíre deliberating his future right now in one of the courts in Chicago and Obama comes from that world. I already knew from stand up that it was basic politics but the only reason I agreed with it is because he was a black man. With him being a black man I immediately held him to a standard of other black presidents. I immediately held him up to the standard of Robert Mugabe and the better which was Nelson Mandela. If youíre gonna be a black president and youíre gonna stand up for something and youíre gonna stand up for the oppression and the quiet oppression that exists in the U.S. then you need to be like Nelson Mandela.

Lupe Con't: If youíre not stepping in the wave and f!ghting the f!ght that Nelson Mandela fought as it relates to the United States of America and the oppressed people here whether theyíre white, black, Asian what have you and how we are the big stick in the world and how that relates to our domestic policy and domestic education relates to our foreign policy and the way we treat the rest of the world then I canít rock with you. He doesnít really have a polarity to me he doesnít really have negatives and positives to me other than that heís black and heís black but I also have Nelson Mandela as somebody who looked back toward oppression and so to be a president and stands up and becomes an international figure and wins Nobel Peace Prizes. You canít win the Nobel Peace Prize and then do a surge in Afghanistan. You canít do that. The one thing that I respected George Bush for is that Bush was a gangster and he did what he said he was gonna do Ė go k!ll the dude that tried to k!ll his daddy and thatís why I respect him. I donít honor him but I respect him. Itís the same thing with Barack Obama. I respect you because youíre black and we came from the same place and the only reason that weíre here is because weíre slaves. Well not him particularly because he can trace his roots back to Kenya and his mother was white but for me, the black man in America, the only reason Iím here is because Iím a slave. My ancestors were slaves. I donít want to rehash the history but just from my political understanding I donít look at the alternative as worse I look at what the alternative needs to be is the people.

Me: Now see the only thing I take exception to is that youíre a little bit of an idealist by saying that and something thatís not practical about that in my opinion I just left a prison just now. I left a prison yesterday as well. Iím speaking to the prisoners. Iím f!ghting for prison reform. Half those people who are in there are for drugs. Some of those kids lack opportunity, education, all these problems. You say the battleground is the budget itís the presidentís rap right now and on the surface it sounds okay. If somebodyís gonna cut education in the inner city where you have 80 kids in a class in Detroit. If you canít subsidize that by taking some out of the army, some little bit out of the armyÖ the mother whoís a teacher and the father whoís a cop are sending their kids to a school with 80 kids and that kidís not gonna graduate because only 46 or 48 percent of those kids are gonna graduate anyway so now we know they ainít gonna graduate. A middle class loses the battle to survive and continue to have a middle class black family. If they donít address that, if thereís no subsidies for those educations then no matter how corrupt or backward the machine in Detroit theyíre gonna need some money so they can make those classes back to the sizes they were and 46% of the boy will graduate out of school instead of 28 or whatever. So little things matter a little bit and itís a little bit idealistic.

Lupe: Well so you just donít think Iím a pure subjective person, to add some objectivity to my statement, to my thought process I consciously battle against the ideal versus the real and you have to have both they dance together but the reality of the situation is, the pure reality, is that if we really wanted to educate then we would. Thereís no reason why the Harvard canon of books. Whatever black lawyer or black doctor that you know many of and I know many of or a professor or a graduate who read a specific set of books in Harvard or a freshman course in Harvard thereís no reason that those books, the same books that they read, that a regular person in the hood shouldnít have access to those same books and those same canons. I asked Professor Cornell West I said give me your list of books that you teach in your class, and itís the same books that you can get at the library and anywhere else, so I can have same amount of intensity of education and the way that you structure your courses so I can go to the people who are never gonna have it who go to the second class or third class high school or even the kids whoÖ are at the high school where they only come to school to go to lunchÖ

How do we supersede that? How do we go past waiting on a subsidy in a school system thatís archaic and thatís broken? Your schools were made to send people into a manufacturing world that which no longer exists and thatís still teaching that. So even those kids who are in those schools in Detroit are being trained in a system thatís 60 years past its time. So even when they do come out theyíre cut off at the legs because the education that theyíre getting is archaic compared to the rest of the modern world. So how do we supersede that in my own way? So if it's about education and about books and about critical thinking then give me the canon and Iíll go buy those books. Lupe will go buy those books and I will go set up a reading program and all the kids who are willing, because there has to be a willingness as well from the actual individual, those who are willing to come on and understand this and take pride in this and take advantage and supplement the education that theyíre getting with this higher level of education because itís really just reading and writing then letís do that. Thatís a.ssistance too. Thatís gonna happen whether itís a Republican, a Democrat or an anarchist in the White House. Iím gonna do that regardless.

Lupe Con't: So when I say ďthe peopleĒ Iím talking about you, me, Barack Obama, people doing things that may have to (require) sacrifice financially but for the most part itís not even that much of a financial detriment in comparison to what we spend just on waste or what we spend on phone bills or on cable bills and for stuff that we really donít need if you really look at the cost of it and how much you can actually get for free if you actually just go out and do it. And give people access to the things they can really use as opposed to giving them access to things that we think they use which is in itself is an ideal. I was just watching CSPAN last night for four hours me and my mother watching them debate the cuts they were taking out of the 2012 bill for agriculture and food safety and you shouldíve seen the programs they were hacking out of there just on a whim. One minute we want 1 million dollars for this and 2 million dollars for this and well nah at the end of the day they didnít care about food stamps they didnít care about people hungry the word of line from the politicos and politicians there was that we donít have the money. Like ďwe donít have this weíre a broke government, we need to supplement this with spendingĒ it was always some ideology about the government and patriotism and of the American Dream and things that donít really exist. So for me even though I stress these high minded ideals its backed up and based on practices and tested in reality. You know Iíve been to Detroit Iíve been to the high schools. I went to the gangstas and crack sellers in Detroit and politicking and trying to learn from everybody so I can have that ideal and that reality and what Iíve learned in my studies and my travels around this world is that thereís certain things that you just canít wait on. You canít wait on Obama you canít wait til the next election because now weíre in election mode. Obama is trying to raise a billion dollars for his next election. Like dog why are you even shooting commercials when you could be taking 10% of that billion dollars that youíre trying to just give right back to CBS and give right back to ABC. Why donít you give $100 million to Detroit? But heís not gonna do that so those things, those kind of hypocrisies are the face of whatís going on. Look at the system a really different way because thatís $1 billion real dollars thatís not idea dollars. The only reason he went to Puerto Rico whatever the political, get the Puerto Ricans on the mainland to vote, he raised a million dollars while he was there! For four hours he went and did an event, a fundraiser at a hotel in Puerto Rico and got a million dollars for his campaign! I guarantee you he did not take that million dollars which he got a check for at the end of the night before he jumped on a plane and went to wherever he went, I bet you he did not go to the barrios in Puerto Rico and say ďhey hereís some books! Hereís a million dollars to go pay for this or pay for thatĒ which he can because thatís his money going to his campaign not going to government not going to anywhere else. I agree with what youíre saying you canít be completely idealistic but at the same time you canít negate the reality of the situation that weíre living in.

Me: Listen itís gonna take education and itís gonna take individuals like you who are gonna point out hypocrisies and its gonna take people who are educated and sophisticated about our policies to change them or to f!ght against the corporate influences in different cases and thereíll be presidents who are gonna need people who push them to do some of the right things and make some shifts and limit the lobbyistsí power and all of these things so your voice is an important one in this way. I just want to make sure that when I frame this I frame this as you are a patriot trying to fix your country. And that you see these things, and as an artist if you donít point them out then you arenít a true artist. You want to tell the truth and so these truths that come out of your mouth and come from your experiences and your perceptions. Some people will be very optimistic and try to make sure that we get the best of the choices available and theyíll just say that the world is flawed just like we know thereís suffering, thereís corruption. But theyíre gonna try to be optimistic about it and try to push for the President. At the end of the day you make this country better and your words make this country better and also remind me to think and donít let the surface blow me over because all the things that you say that are true that standout have to be part of the dialogue and we cannot ignore the suffering weíve caused and the footprint we have or the abuse weíre promoting when we are. But at the same time that optimistic guy who wants to make sure that we have the best choice and know that itís an imperfect world. The best thing I think we can do right now is make sure your voice is heard and make sure black people vote and I still believe black people should vote and every progressive voice should hear everything you said and digest every word. I appreciate you and your time.

Lupe: Thank you.

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 6 years ago '07        #3
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Reserved for Part 3...
 06-16-2011, 10:05 AM         #4
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Someone needs to send Jack Bauer after this clown.
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but naw ima read later...
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 6 years ago '05        #8
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Im not sure if Lupe spoke out on President Obama before hand, but why now?

Is Lupe doing this for publicity? or is he genuine in his words? :hmm:
 6 years ago '06        #9
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Lupe actually backed up his case better than I thought he would. America can be greedy as hell everyone knows that but there's nothing lupe can do about it his voice isn't gonna change how messed up the world is it's too far gone. I respect his opinion tho
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lol @ lupe getting more buzz from all this obama sh*t than he did from lasers.
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 JanyeWest said:
Lupe actually backed up his case better than I thought he would. America can be greedy as hell everyone knows that but there's nothing lupe can do about it his voice isn't gonna change how messed up the world is it's too far gone. I respect his opinion tho
If he truly was pissed off, why not do what Rhymefest did and run for office as mayor, or work to become a politician to represent your state, then push for the white house?
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if he hates america and thinks america is so bad........why does he still live here


im not a fan of obama, im a proud republican, but to bash obama and say he's no different then osama??? this is the same dude that said america deserved 9/11 and he has no sympathy for the people


this dude is a fukkin dikkhead
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if he focused on music as much as his political views maybe Lasers wouldn't have been coaster status
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I completely agree. Hes just gonna look like he's talking out of his a.ss if he keeps at what he's doing. If he's that butthurt over the presidents then get in office yourself lupe
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*Reserved* Gonna read this later.
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 Jacc Blacc said:
if he hates america and thinks america is so bad........why does he still live here


im not a fan of obama, im a proud republican, but to bash obama and say he's no different then osama??? this is the same dude that said america deserved 9/11 and he has no sympathy for the people


this dude is a fukkin dikkhead
please, PLEASE link me. because I have Yet to read Lupe saying ANY such thing.

 thegoldenhero said:
if he focused on music as much as his political views maybe Lasers wouldn't have been coaster status
Lasers was NOT under Lupe's creative control or direction, so I'll give Lupe a pass for Lasers. it was his label, which has been documented in several interviews.

 JanyeWest said:
I completely agree. Hes just gonna look like he's talking out of his a.ss if he keeps at what he's doing. If he's that butthurt over the presidents then get in office yourself lupe
Exactly!
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 Jacc Blacc said:
if he hates america and thinks america is so bad........why does he still live here

im not a fan of obama, im a proud republican, but to bash obama and say he's no different then osama??? this is the same dude that said america deserved 9/11 and he has no sympathy for the people


this dude is a fukkin dikkhead
the dumbest sh*t ever.... the way to fix america is too talk about what's wrong with it and get people thinking, where did he say he hates america
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 Blood Edge said:
because that's a gimmick

and he called Bush a terrorist as well....but because it was cool to hate on Bush at the time no one noticed it
Im not understanding if you're saying running for office is a gimmick or if what lupe is doing by speaking out is a gimmick?

but yea, let's be honest. By a vote of "Yay" or "Nay" how many people think the American Government is Angel's???

I Love America, and all the opportunities present and presented but I am not going to for 1 second think my Government is Angel's or Saints. with that being said, I wont act as if 1 government on the face of this Earth is either. America has ALOT more freedom's then let's say....Libya.

You can call the president, vice president, etc. anything under the Sun (Lol, might show up on a few no fly list's and government watch list) but do that sh*t in Libya, and you will be more than likely murdered by the very same government you are bad mouthing.

ROFLMAO, ONLY in America can it's citizens get away with verbal looseness and not worry or fear death.
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 truthfulness said:
the dumbest sh*t ever.... the way to fix america is too talk about what's wrong with it and get people thinking, where did he say he hates america
Now, THATS the dumbest sh*t ever

To solve problems, you don't just talk about them. you act to correct them, if a n*gga is beating your face in and about to shoot you are you going to "Talk it out", f!ght or take flight?

fu*k out of here,

what Jacc Blacc said make's sense, if you don't like America then it's several other continents, and thousands of other countries one can take up new citizenship in.
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