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 7 years ago '04        #501
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 Shade737 said:



Wrong.

You see I didnt make a claim/assertion. I simply stated my belief. I never pushed my belief as truth I just stated it. The truth that Im a.sserting is that I dont know and be belief is that heaven exists.

Therefore in the situation. There is no burden of proof.
That's why I said "if."
 7 years ago '10        #502
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 HHS said:
That's why I said "if."
You said "if" as if the scenario was me making a claim but there was no claim made so what you posted didn't apply to the example which is why I said it was wrong.

Stating a belief isnt making a claim its when you a.ssert it as truth is when it becomes a claim.


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 7 years ago '10        #503
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 ra1n said:
I believe there are invisible unicorns hiding under your bed. I have no evidence but if you don't believe me you're an idiot.
Oh I see your wrong so you come at me with this. Ok Ill mess around for a bit:

Your belief is inconclusive.


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 7 years ago '04        #504
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 Shade737 said:

You said "if" as if the scenario was me making a claim but there was no claim made so what you posted didn't apply to the example which is why I said it was wrong.

Stating a belief isnt making a claim ita when you a.ssert it as truth is when it becomes a claim.
It could be argued that publicly stating a belief is implicitly making a kind of claim, even if its not a claim you intend to defend or a.ssert as factual. I think this is beside the point anyway.
 7 years ago '10        #505
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 ra1n said:
You can't prove me wrong.
Yet you cant prove yourself right therefore as I said before:

Your belief is inconclusive.
 HHS said:
It could be argued that publicly stating a belief is implicitly making a kind of claim, even if its not a claim you don't intend to defend or a.ssert as factual. I think this is beside the point anyway.
I doubt that lol.

Once you make a claim you demand it as truth.

Publicly stating a belief and not making a claim/asserting it as truth is possible as it is done by many people all over the world including myself.


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 7 years ago '10        #506
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 ra1n said:
I don't claim to know. I just believe and you should respect that belief. Have fun with the invisible unicorns.
I never said I didnt respect your belief I just said that its inconclusive.

Are you mad at me ra1n?


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 7 years ago '04        #507
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the burden is always on the person trying to prove something exists...no if ands or buts...the fact that so many of you don't understand this is proving to me that you have no understanding of basic logic..
 05-17-2011, 05:37 PM         #508
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Damn ya n*ggas is still going? I thought we all respected each others view points and moved on.
 7 years ago '04        #509
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 7 years ago '10        #510
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 Maze 112 said:
Damn ya n*ggas is still going? I thought we all respected each others view points and moved on.
Wut he said.
 bibbyboi said:
the burden is always on the person trying to prove something exists...no if ands or buts.
So Im trying to prove that Obama really exists since Ive never seen him in person and someone is trying to prove that he doesnt exist.

The burden of proof is on me? :hmm:


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 7 years ago '05        #511
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yea fu*k this thread its pointless 30 pages later haha the real thread is the one we all agree on..our government taking away the 4th amendment and further taking away any freedom we have left...
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 Shade737 said:

Wut he said.

So Im trying to prove that Obama really exists since Ive never seen him in person and someone is trying to prove that he doesnt exist.

The burden of proof is on me? :hmm:

dude c'mon thats a horrible analogy. Yes the burden is still on you but if you find trouble proving the existence of Obama then theres something wrong with you. No offense but its a FACT that he exists. Theres no Fact that God does tho. There are only beliefs and feelings and Im not saying science has all the answers cause they dont but they do take a realistic approach.


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 DaViLLe726 said:
yea fu*k this thread its pointless 30 pages later haha the real thread is the one we all agree on..our government taking away the 4th amendment and further taking away any freedom we have left...
All differences aside I can agree with this.
 05-17-2011, 08:35 PM         #514
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 snappy said:
can you prove there is heaven a.ssface?

Steven hawking and his contribution to the world > your 2-bit life



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 LEE OH said:
dude c'mon thats a horrible analogy. Yes the burden is still on you but if you find trouble proving the existence of Obama then theres something wrong with you. No offense but its a FACT that he exists. Theres no Fact that God does tho. There are only beliefs and feelings and Im not saying science has all the answers cause they dont but they do take a realistic approach.
Whenever your trying to prove God exists or not you always have the burden of proof equally.

Its not always the case that the person trying to prove something exists has the burden of proof.

In that case Obama existing is fact therefore it has proof so the person trying to prove he exists does not have the burden of proof.

Its the person going against what has the most info supporting something that has the burden of proof.


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 7 years ago '04        #516
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 Shade737 said:

Whenever your trying to prove God exists or not you always have the burden of proof equally.

Its not always the case that the person trying to prove something exists has the burden of proof.
Wrong...It is always on the person trying to prove that something exist...

There is no way to prove something doesn't exist...

The fact that you aren't getting this concept is very disturbing to me....
 7 years ago '05        #517
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I just came in here to laugh at the moron who doesn't understand the concept of the burden of proof.

Holy sh*t.

 7 years ago '10        #518
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 bibbyboi said:
Wrong...It is always on the person trying to prove that something exist...

There is no way to prove something doesn't exist...

The fact that you aren't getting this concept is very disturbing to me....
I know and understand the concept. Dont jump to conclusions brah.

Im wondering if in ALL cases the burden of proof is on the person who is trying to prove/claim that something exists.

^Will think about this some more and see if I can find an exceptional case. :hmm:
 Reppindaburghh said:
I just came in here to laugh at the moron who doesn't understand the concept of the burden of proof.

Holy sh*t.

Read above dumbass.

I love how quick you are to say a bad a.ssumption about me tho.

Haters gonna hate. :dancingcool:


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 7 years ago '10        #519
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Sooo... You mad cause we mobile?
 7 years ago '04        #520
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 Shade737 said:
[B]
I know and understand the concept. Dont jump to conclusions brah.

Im wondering if in ALL cases the burden of proof is on the person who is trying to prove/claim that something exists.

^Will think about this some more and see if I can find an exceptional case. :hmm:
My bad, it just seems like you don't get the concept because you keep pushing the issue...

But there is no exception to this...To prove something you need evidence...If something never existed then there will be no evidence...thus you can never prove a negative...which leaves the burden on whoever is proposing the positive...
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